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February 22, 2019, 07:40:27 AM
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How long would it typically take to use coinjoin anyway? From start to finish that would mean.

As I could see this hurting centralized mixers pretty badly, though only if the time spent mixing is close to comparable. Let me know!




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February 22, 2019, 08:22:23 AM
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How long would it typically take to use coinjoin anyway? From start to finish that would mean.

As I could see this hurting centralized mixers pretty badly, though only if the time spent mixing is close to comparable. Let me know!

Last time I gave it a whirl (a couple of weeks ago) it took about 3 hours in the best case and I gave up after 6 hours in the worst case. Maybe it's better now, but it seems like there's still a bit of a chicken-egg problem: The less people use it, the less convenient it is to use, the less likely people are to use it again. I think especially the relatively large minimum amount (compared to centralized mixers) makes it harder for people to join, leading to prolonged waiting times. I do hope this gets better in time and as awareness spreads.

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February 23, 2019, 06:08:02 AM
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How long would it typically take to use coinjoin anyway? From start to finish that would mean.

As I could see this hurting centralized mixers pretty badly, though only if the time spent mixing is close to comparable. Let me know!

Last time I gave it a whirl (a couple of weeks ago) it took about 3 hours in the best case and I gave up after 6 hours in the worst case. Maybe it's better now, but it seems like there's still a bit of a chicken-egg problem: The less people use it, the less convenient it is to use, the less likely people are to use it again. I think especially the relatively large minimum amount (compared to centralized mixers) makes it harder for people to join, leading to prolonged waiting times. I do hope this gets better in time and as awareness spreads.

Hm, yeah that's a pretty big problem -- though I do see the Catch 22 type issue here and that's not something which is good.

I think another issue with Wasabi is the issue of there being too high of a minimum for conjoin, which I think is around .099 (somewhere around $380 USD as of right now) That's going to price a good deal of people out of using this service, and that's pretty sad to see as it is a good service that could be used to bring privacy to so many. I don't know the reason behind this sort of minimum, I do hope that there is someone here that could shine some light on that.





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February 24, 2019, 12:43:02 PM
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There is no real need to mix small amounts. So setting a high minimum for coinjoin use is viable. I don't expect many users willing to mix 10$ or even less. The problem is with that this is a new wallet, still in test phase. No one can afford 300$ to loose (probably) in a wallet test.
Actually, the integration of coinjoin service within a wallet software is a greatest feature, helping the wallet to compete with other wallet softwares but also with blenders. May be setting a high minimum coinjoin amount for wasabi is a clever strategie towards mixers: if you have a small amount, just use any traditional mixer.  Wink
I expect this new wallet to get more attention from the crypto community. I really find it useful.
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August 11, 2019, 03:16:11 PM
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There is no real need to mix small amounts.

Why not?
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August 15, 2019, 08:44:19 PM
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a btc wallet with anonymous transactions and open source? is a must try but i will wait for a final version before downloading it...
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a btc wallet with anonymous transactions and open source? is a must try but i will wait for a final version before downloading it...

It does not have anonymous transaction per se, but offers the option to use coinjoin, which results in anonymizing your coins (anonymity set = 100).

Most (if not all) open source wallets are work in progress.
The latest wasabi version is 1.1.6.
I don't know how you define 'final version', but 1.0 is release (no longer beta etc.).

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October 05, 2019, 06:43:20 PM
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Poor mixer design leads to unpredictable privacy leaks and self-shuffling.
Seems like misrepresentation to me. Stuff from coinjoins will always condense together in the end? Anonymity sets are gonna decay.
Why do they always shit-talk wasabi but not the others?

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November 01, 2019, 12:27:34 PM
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Hi.
I installed wasabi a few weeks ago. The implemented tor-feature was what it sold it to me.
I'm quite a noob in the bitcoin world and still trying out and learning a lot of stuff.
Can I ask two questions concerning wasabi wallet?
It says "new version available" in the lower left corner. Can I just install a new version and my wallet will be the same as before or is it a little more complicated?
What is new and does it make sense to update to the newer version?
Also, what would happen if I would "coinjoin" a coin that has been coinjoined before and shows a privacy level of 65 when mouse over?

Thanks, Dimitri
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Can I just install a new version and my wallet will be the same as before or is it a little more complicated?
What is new and does it make sense to update to the newer version?

- usually wallets keep backward compatibility which means when you upgrade to a new version they can continue using the wallet you already had. it is however safer to always make and keep a backup of your wallet or seed.
- they don't keep a separate change log. there is only the release notes here: https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/releases it is a good idea to upgrade, but you have to read what they changed to decide if it makes sense to do it and if it is mandatory (like fixing a bug) or not.

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November 02, 2019, 04:30:07 AM
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It says "new version available" in the lower left corner. Can I just install a new version and my wallet will be the same as before or is it a little more complicated?
What is new and does it make sense to update to the newer version?

A more secure way to update your version would be to download from the official website, verify it and then install it. Each version is different so you might want to look at the update log. Most of the time, updating to the latest version is recommended (if there's any) because the app is considered more secure, has more features, etc.

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