Your post history is responsible for your unmerited status.

[The Cryptovator]

I was made a post about demoted member's. To be honest your post history is responsible for your unmerited status. After implement 1 merit to become Jr member, lot of people's trying to make constructive and quality post. Then also they are not getting merit. Only reasone is their post history. I am proof of that. I noticed few post deserve merit, but once I visit their post history there are only bounty report and online post. So it's discourage me for send merit to them. I don't know what is problem if you delete your spam post, and participate on constructive discussion. Most of seniors are visiting post history before send merit to demoted newbie and also I think it should be. You can't expect merit just creating single constructive or quality post if your post history is spammy.

Still I will strongly suggest, delete your post history those are spam. Then try to make or perticipate on constructive discussion. Perhaps some one will merited you.

[Helana]

Still I will strongly suggest, delete your post history those are spam. Then try to make or perticipate on constructive discussion. Perhaps some one will merited you.

Well, as long as they don't turn back to their spammy activities after having their merit, that's not a bad idea at all, but honestly, I doubt it.
The fact is that, if you've been a spammer for months now and you delete all your spammy activity in order to get some recognition for a 10 minutes-effort, it doesn't seem legit to me, and also, looks like quite against the spirit of the new implementation.
But whatever, the point is: if you change your attitude then, please, keep the new one for good.

I've seen many new one-merited Jr Members, some of them even underserved. For instance, I received a PM yesterday begging for merits with a link to a plagiarized thread as the one the user thought to be meritable. Sadly, he has been merited now, and the plagiarized post deleted:


That's what many are doing. Just to plagiarize a post and then, after obtaining their merit, deleting it. So, if we don' t have their previous activity to judge the natural behaviour, how are we going to suspect of the new threads they make? Do not forget that many people are committing plagiarism from translations, meaning, using an article in their own language as a source and then google to make a translation. This is hard to detect, so the context seems pretty important to me, though.

Of course, the idoneous situation is for them to forget about being spammers and to become useful people in here. But... isn't it quite utopic? I hope some will do this, but I honestly doubt it to become the general behaviour.

[JetAid]

I think that some merit awarders are trying to keep sMerits out of the underworld. The problem with meriting a netherworld poster for a good quality post,is that the earned smerits may be used to promote an alt or a bot for bounty spamming.

[joniboini]

I noticed few post deserve merit, but once I visit their post history there are only bounty report and online post. So it's discourage me for send merit to them. I don't know what is problem if you delete your spam post, and participate on constructive discussion.

Exactly what I feel. The reason why they don't delete those reports, IMO, because they're still participating in those social media bounties.

Honestly, I don't have any problems if people join social media bounties (even though I highly discourage it as it won't worth anything), but if that's what they're doing since the first time they join this forum and then suddenly trying to post something meaningful after the new rules got implemented, then you know what happens.

[FlamingFingers]

Still I will strongly suggest, delete your post history those are spam. Then try to make or perticipate on constructive discussion. Perhaps some one will merited you.

But how? They could be deleting their whole post history (most of the times 200–300 posts, and I have seen quite a few Jr. Members with staggering 1200+ posts, before the 1 Merit update!).

That's what many are doing. Just to plagiarize a post and then, after obtaining their merit, deleting it. So, if we don' t have their previous activity to judge the natural behaviour, how are we going to suspect of the new threads they make? Do not forget that many people are committing plagiarism from translations, meaning, using an article in their own language as a source and then google to make a translation. This is hard to detect, so the context seems pretty important to me, though.

And vice versa. I have seen posts in the past few weeks on local board suggesting that the local board members should 'help' each other by giving merits as we are all 'brothers' instead of giving them to 'strangers.' Then they post a translation (from English to their mother language) of an article/guide (Google Translate evidently) and actually manage to get a merit or two. There are others who put some effort in the translation, which is welcome to help those whose English is weak.

[Theb]

I do agree with what Coolcryptovator has said, post history plays an important role for some people in deciding whether or not that member is worthy of a merit. Some merit sources do this technique in order to see that their precious merit is not wasted on rewarding people who only has 1 good post  in every 10 of his post, they will just give their merits on to members who are posting good consistently. Also deleting some of your posts that you deemed yourself as trash won't hurt as your are just sacrificing your time in order to look good to other members, just by doing this you yourself will see how you can improve your writing and overall sentence construction as well as grammar so it is a win-win scenario for you.

[Kprawn]

I do not agree with you. I never look at post history to determine if a "new" post is worth the merit. I honestly do not have

the time for that and I judge every post on it's own. You can post junk for weeks and then I would be reading through a

thread and stumble onto your post that adds the most value to the discussion and I would reward you with a merit point. I

will not even bother to see what you posted before that.    Do not look for excuses, if you not getting merit for your posts,

work harder and you will earn it. 

[DdmrDdmr]

I don’t favour deleting posts too much. I can only recall having personally deleting one post, and that was because I gave an answer, and then though that it might have been wrong, so I promptly deleted it and reposted it when I was sure of the answer.

I’d much rather see how someone’s post history evolves over time, than see a recap of the best posts after deleting the nonsense ones or the social reports. I already take enough time as it is to find new people to merit, after checking their post for possible plagiarism, and browsing through their posting history. I’d rather not have to add a new task to my “KYM” (know your merited-to-be), having to second guess the gaps in their posting history.

Besides that, merited posts that later get deleted are a bit of a drag in various ways. Statistically, 6,72% of total overall awarded sMerit is assigned to what is now a deleted post (steeper the first few months than the latter). That is a fair share of traceability that disappears to some extent, and that I’d rather not happen either.

[Helana]

Besides that, merited posts that later get deleted are a bit of a drag in various ways. Statistically, 6,72% of total overall awarded sMerit is assigned to what is now a deleted post (steeper the first few months than the latter). That is a fair share of traceability that disappears to some extent, and that I’d rather not happen either.

That's the central problem. They can just create a thread (plagiarized) and, after receiving the merit, erase the thread and continue with their personal spamming preferences (like in the example I shared).

And vice versa. I have seen posts in the past few weeks on local board suggesting that the local board members should 'help' each other by giving merits as we are all 'brothers' instead of giving them to 'strangers.' Then they post a translation (from English to their mother language) of an article/guide (Google Translate evidently) and actually manage to get a merit or two. There are others who put some effort in the translation, which is welcome to help those whose English is weak.

Yes, I guess the people are doing anything to get their very first merit and be able to continue "working" in here. The example I've shared is more or less, in a resume, a Spanish-native sending PM's to other Spaniards with the goal of earning a merit by a plagiarized post, a post that, obviously, he erased after receiving his merit.
The sad part, from my perspective, is that we are seeing how any single tool is being used to continue spamming, from the erasing tool to the PM one. The worst part: thee are getting what they want, I've seen a lot of 1 merited-forever-juniors incoming, and, I bet, mostly all of them are going to continue with their spam activities.

Maybe there is some stats or something to look into and see how right I am, maybe I'm wrong (and I would be very happy if that happens, by the way).

[stompix]

Still I will strongly suggest, delete your post history those are spam. Then try to make or perticipate on constructive discussion. Perhaps some one will merited you.

 I wouldn't go as far as deleting hundreds of posts, actually, I would appreciate if I would see some real changes in the posting behavior.

The one thing that stops me in most cases from awarding merit is seeing that all the posts have roughly the same length, 3-4 lines,  at this point, I just close the tab. So if I see somebody who was doing just one-liners and now has starting to really put some thought in his posts and not writing down the usual generic crap I would appreciate it more.

Also, I didn't give merit these weeks, mainly because the same reason #Helana mentioned as too saw a lot of newbies making a few more elaborate posts and after receiving the merit going back to spam posting so I'll just check on the ones that are really trying even after the begging madness has stopped...

Unfortunately lately, time is a bigger problem than available smerits  

But how? They could be deleting their whole post history (most of the times 200–300 posts, and I have seen quite a few Jr. Members with staggering 1200+ posts, before the 1 Merit update!).

Well, theymos could trash a few sections with one click...no big loss other than post count.

[Gytza]

I was made a post about demoted member's. To be honest your post history is responsible for your unmerited status. After implement 1 merit to become Jr member, lot of people's trying to make constructive and quality post. Then also they are not getting merit. Only reaso one is their post history. I am proof of that. I noticed few post deserve merit, but once I visit their post history there are only bounty report and online post. So it's discourage me for send merit to them. I don't know what is problem if you delete your spam post, and participate on constructive discussion. Most of seniors are visiting post history before send merit to demoted newbie and also I think it should be. You can't expect merit just creating single constructive or quality post if your post history is spammy.

Still I will strongly suggest, delete your post history those are spam. Then try to make or perticipate on constructive discussion. Perhaps some one will merited you.

I gave few merits away and I never even opened someones history.
I give them the way I think it was intended, that means if I see something well writen, that can help somebody (help me, most of the time  ) then I'm going to reward ti with merrit.
When I probably won't give a merrit, although a person deserves it? When the OP has around 1000 merits I probably won't send him my merits, I'll send them to someone who has lower rank but also writes construcitve posts and needs them to rank up.
I was never even aware of the possibility that somebody will go on and read my old posts, don't know why anybody would even do that. In these things the past is not important, only the current effort.
But now, when I see your post I know why one person sent me nice private message to thank me for a merrit, even send me his/her blessings.

[Jet Cash]

I gave few merits away and I never even opened someones history.

You need to look at some posters' history to see if the post is out of character. If it is, then it could indicate a purchased or stolen accout, or possible plagiarism.

[seoincorporation]

I was the one who give the Merit to that user.

And i would like to explain why i did it because i'm done with the witch hunt.

The user exwifesu77 write me a PM asking for a merit for his publication, I take a look to his publications history and the guy isn't a spammer, is an account's seller, if you see his history he is a natural trader, and his deals doesn't take much words. And who will give you a Merit for sell a twitter account?

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2315675;sa=showPosts

But this user is trying to grow up in the forum as any one of us, that's why he decide to make a good quality post, and maybe the biggest error he made was to ask for merits by personal messages, but damn, after read his post i decide to give him a merit, it was a nice market analysis with a comparison with Bitcoin, ETH and Ripple, and i say it was, because the post got deleted. So, the only good post from exwifesu77 get rekt.

You want to know what did i reply to that user to his PM after give him the merit?



Translation:

I will give a way this merit to you because you earned it, but please don't ask again for merits using PM, not any one on the forum are good person like me, there are lot of haters vs the newbies and you could even get a bad reputation for doing this.

This forum is an hostile environment so, you must be more careful, i wish you success and get far in this madness world

Next morning i wake up with an interrogatory from hilariousandco O.P. Global Moderator, asking why act that way, and my reply was that i'm done with the witch hunting. And here is a copy of the conversation if have with them.

Why are you giving merit to shitposters who beg for it? If you did ten seconds of research you would see that post was copy and pasted.

Because the post wasn't bad. Merits are about good posts if i'm not wrong, lot of shit posters don't have other option than start posting good stuff, and if they are trying to change they deserve a chance. if you don't think users like him deserve a chance then should ban him for spammer.

I'm not sure about all this merits shit, i don't really care much about merits, this is bitcoin talk an no one is talking about bitcoin, is becoming merit talk and that sucks hard, for me those who only talk about merits are the spammers.

Not sure if you realized but a merit mafia is growing on the Spanish section, let me show you an example of a merit farmer:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1555374
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2359691

That is the same user, she only talk about merit an not about bitcoin, she is getting lot of merits just because becomes friend of JetCash and DdmrDdmr and other merit sources, and i give a merit in past to this person to just because i introduce her to the forum. But honestly i don't understand how a pearson who wasn't ever made a bitcoin transaction can get all those merits in this forum, at end she isn't talking about bitcoin.

So, the question is what's good and what's bad, what's ethic and what doesn't.

I will be more careful while giving merits, never again a merit for a newbie because i will get in trouble as i learned today, i just want to learn more about bitcoin and keep on the developers side.

Thanks for your contact and if you need anything else let me know, I would add a copy from this reply to theymos because i want to share with him my point of view, he must realize how now the forum is more about merits and not about bitcoin.

He was banned for copy and pasting, but I find it weird why you give that user merit yet you leave negative feedback for other people begging for them:

He's begging for merits with two alt accounts, even sending PM to DT's asking for merits.    
He's begging for merits with (at least) two alt accounts, also sending PM to DT users begging for merits.

So, NadiaHel or Helana or as you want to call yourself, no one is an angel in this forum, no idea why you are growing those 2 accounts but i could bet they are to farm signature campaigns. So, if you will be on the forum pointing to people and chasing the newbies, then newbies will end hating bitcoin.

We need more people in the bitcoin world, stop burning newbies and show them the right way.

If you don't like how newbies are doing it, then guide them, that's all i want, i put the example with this spammer, the post was good, if it was a copy paste, maybe he should add the source.

So, this is bitcoin talk not merit talk. I care about bitcoin, i care about new users, i care about sharing my knowledge with this community, and let me show you how much i care now about merits.

So, enjoy the merit mafia while i keep guiding people to the knowledge way as you can see in my posts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5038943.msg46229964#msg46229964
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5038265.msg46209587#msg46209587
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5033616.msg46190270#msg46190270
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5035299.msg46115786#msg46115786
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5035704.msg46046055#msg46046055
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5034580.msg46028680#msg46028680

I pray for the day when all you talk about bitcoin the same way that you talk about merits 

[TheBeardedBaby]

You can learn so much from someone's history posts. You know where he is active the most, how many bounties he is working on and sure the posting behaviour.

When you see a newbie with only 4 posts /all in off-topic/ cursing the merit is completely clear why he is here. Those users are not likely to improve or if they do it's only for the income, only a small fraction of those will choose to learn and understand the concept behind the cryptocurrency.

[XLadyX]

I was made a post about demoted member's. To be honest your post history is responsible for your unmerited status. After implement 1 merit to become Jr member, lot of people's trying to make constructive and quality post. Then also they are not getting merit. Only reasone is their post history. I am proof of that. I noticed few post deserve merit, but once I visit their post history there are only bounty report and online post. So it's discourage me for send merit to them. I don't know what is problem if you delete your spam post, and participate on constructive discussion. Most of seniors are visiting post history before send merit to demoted newbie and also I think it should be. You can't expect merit just creating single constructive or quality post if your post history is spammy.

Still I will strongly suggest, delete your post history those are spam. Then try to make or perticipate on constructive discussion. Perhaps some one will merited you.

I think deleting defeats the purpose of everything. rather they should strive from today to make constructive posts. They should be genuine about it too. I'm sure they will receive merit if they do 1 report post and say 20 constructive post and helping others asking legit questions. Those giving merits are humans too, they'll consider.

[Harlot]

I gave few merits away and I never even opened someones history.

You need to look at some posters' history to see if the post is out of character. If it is, then it could indicate a purchased or stolen accout, or possible plagiarism.

Aside from that looking at a member's post history tells you a lot if he/she is really deserving to receive a merit. Sometimes if I visit someone's post history just to do a little background check I will notice that he only has just one good post (the one I am considering sending a merit) and the rest of it is trash, that is when I realized the chances of it being a copy-pasted post is high. The bottomline is doing background checks won't hurt as your sMerits are really limited and you must send it to people who are really deserving.

[Helana]

Funniest thing ever, I don't understand how @NadiaHel or I ended in this conversation, of course, for some personal reasons. But, in order to farm any account, you need some merit-transaction, I think.
Whatever, man, if you have some bipolar disorder, please, place your controversial feelings into the right Board (EDIT, reputation).

Aside from that looking at a member's post history tells you a lot if he/she is really deserving to receive a merit. Sometimes if I visit someone's post history just to do a little background check I will notice that he only has just one good post (the one I am considering sending a merit) and the rest of it is trash, that is when I realized the chances of it being a copy-pasted post is high. The bottomline is doing background checks won't hurt as your sMerits are really limited and you must send it to people who are really deserving.

Totally what I was trying to say. To me, the post history is just a great way of taking a look at the normal behaviour and to detect plagiarism. Of course, people can change, and that's awesome, but to have some references is always nice. Also, I don't believe that, if you make a great post after a lot of crap just because you need a merit to continue crapping, you deserve anything, because of the whole point of the new merit implementation: to reduce spam. Well, just from my perspective, I prefer to merit a common attitude.

[jackg]

Do you guys know how I can check which status I have and what I need to do in order to get a Jr Member?

You're shiny because you're brand new (or you might be a newbie).
Anyway, to get to Jr you need 28 activity, and 1 merit. This merit can be earnt by writing a good constructive post.

[DdmrDdmr]

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I must admit I’m lost with this story. I do not understand if we’re talking about three different people here, or Worzel Gummidge swapping his head around to seem like different people. How that has even got to do anything to do with the topic beats me ... Reputation should be the place in any case.

[seoincorporation]

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I must admit I’m lost with this story. I do not understand if we’re talking about three different people here, or Worzel Gummidge swapping his head around to seem like different people. How that has even got to do anything to do with the topic beats me ... Reputation should be the place in any case.

I owe you this explanation DdmrDdmr, Halana is my exgirlfriend, i show her how to use the forum and she used to post with my account, she found it fun, i don't think there would be a problem, but since a couple of months i take care again full of the account, and was fun to see how she get involved with lot of people here, and that's fine, i don't thing you are bad guys, but i don't really know you, and if i edit my reputation history is because i think the reputation should be modified only when there is money involved, idk why halena uses my account to give you a positive trust and since there was not money involved i decide to edit it.

I know i did wrong by share my access with my girlfriend, when we are in love we do stupid things, but now i'm back, i learned the lesson and would like to apologise with all of you, i only explained the situation to JetCash but should talk with lot of you, but i'm not the kind of person who are here for the merits, i just want to share my knowledge with the community now while i made some extra cash with a campaign, and is not a bad deal, i have lot of experience with bitcoin, more than 4 years on this world and already a backend developer for casinos.

So, just want to explain why i give the merit to that user, the user who my exgirlfriend is trying to burn just because he was a newbie, That merit had a high price for me, personal messages from mods and my ex making posts about it, so i decide to make some drama, we know how great is this place for drama  

Sorry for all DdmrDdmr, i think you are a great user who gives a lot to the spanish and english sections, keep up the great work and remember, nothing is personal. Let's keep helping this great community.