Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites

[JollyGood]

As far as I understood, Dean Nolan aka BetKing scam artist requests to get banned from this forum?

Because he is the one persistently and continuously posting blatant lies and FUD!

2) You are NOT an investor in BetKing. Not a single investor has accused me of scamming. Think about that. Not one.

Is this person real?

Several scammed investors asked you why the value increasement of the invested crypto currencies was not added to the BKB fantasy token value!

Despite of this, only because some of your investors are not mentally able to understand your investment fraud scheme, does not mean you did not commit one!

I have to agree with you on this.

I even posted URLs of the threads with direct posts of a few examples of those complaining (listed on Page 2 of this thread).

@ Dean Nolan & Betking

Which country do you live in Dean Nolan? Is it N.America? EU? Is it Asia? If your country of residence has a robust legal system I will report you to the appropriate legal authorities.

[Stunna]

Yeah I agree, it's pretty crazy how bad things have gotten especially the past year. I used to be super active on this forum and I use it the bare minimum I can. As you mentioned, we made a stake/Primedice forum and I recommend you make a Betking Forum.

I appreciate that the staff here are against censoring users but I think their lack of awareness regarding this scene has allowed trolls dominate this board.

@Stunna

Thank you for the the post. Going by what you wrote I would like to emphasise that many in this forum believe that it is due to a lack of awareness on part of several parties (mods, staff, victims, newbies, scammers...) that has allowed the atmosphere for all kinds of scams including ICOs to take place with those doing the scamming not being held to account. When users try to hold the scammers to account then the scammers try to censor them.

It is really as simple as the trolls dominating this board? Is there a possibility the scammers are actually dominating this board? I agree with you, staff here are against censoring users but is it possible their lack of awareness regarding this scene has actually allowed the scammers to flourish and dominate this board?

I doubt Dean Nolan will make a Betking forum because there just are not enough users interested or using his Betking website.

Furthermore because Dean Nolan is not a coder himself. He does not have an in-house group of coders that work for him therefore he will have to pay someone to make even the slightest or smallest alterations on modifications on his Betking website but it then allows for the possibilities however unlikely for the "coder" to do all sorts of things associated with fraud. He still has not even change the copyright footer from 2017 to 2018 even though we are in October 2018 and I pointed it out to him days ago...

I have nothing but positive words for both Stake and Primedice as can be seen by my comments in the Stake thread but for example sake if Stake were to have an ICO with a whitepaper/guide which was used as the basis to attract investors bringing in millions of US$ but Stake owners did not fulfill the whitepaper proposals then I would get on the Stake thread and ask the owners and mods: "Why did you do that?". From what I have seen on the Stake thread the mods are polite and helpful, they never had a problem with me and I never had a problem with them because when I asked questions I got simple honest straight-forward answers.

Dean Nolan is doing the opposite of what Stake owners and mods are doing. Even when he sent me the PM alleging Stake and Primdice were paying me to made negative posts about his Betking, the Stake team let it go with kind words that is why I hold both Stake and Primedice along with its owners and mods with full respect and in the highest regard: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.msg45199982#msg45199982

And Stunna you even gave me 5 merits in your thread which when you follow the latter part of the thread there is not a single post by me which shows I am doing anything negative at all: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.msg45978387#msg45978387

I just hope Dean Nolan answers the list of 8 to 10 questions I have for him. Why is he refusing to answer them?

If Dean Nolan proves he is right by providing evidence that everybody in the forum can see and it proves I am wrong, I will remove the Scam Alert from my signature and publicly apologise to him. He overreacted, did not like being questioned and went on the defensive instead of behaving in a mature and sensible manner trying to resolve the issues as soon as possible in order for both parties to concentrate on other things.

Whereas I respect your views on the matter Stunna I really would appreciate them even more if you and other members would make a clear distinction between the way I post and the game-protect does (which many have already done in this thread) and if you and other members would kindly ask Dean Nolan to just publicly answer the questions I will compile about the 2017 ICO so we can all move on.

To be clear, my post wasn't against your activity, I have nothing against you and was agreeing with Rhavar's points exactly. I haven't followed your issues with betking closely so I don't have an opinion right now on the matter. I agree with Rhavar you should consolidate to one thread in this section about betking to avoid being grouped into the same category as other trolls.

[Kakmakr]

Maybe you should just /ignore him in the meantime and make a report thread about him on the Meta boards.  

Ignoring them will not work. The casino operators have to monitor their threads for allegations that are made against them and then they have to defend their actions by giving feedback or responses against these allegations. It will do more damage in the long run, if they ignored these allegations.

The forum promotes freedom of speech and both parties have a right to express their concerns and to protect their interest. They are also subject to the rules of the forum, like the rest of us.

If the mods perceive these actions as harassment or exploitation of these services, then they will react accordingly.  

I would counter that at the very least game-protect does participate in harassment.

Currently he's trying to get me kicked off my sig campaign by going as far as doing the following:
Hijacking the thread: http://archive.is/o8qQb
And leaving neg rep on the campaign manager: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=449925 (https://i.imgur.com/qKRwydr.png)

All because I disagreed w/ his shady business practices, and continued to question him on questions he wasn't able to answer.

He takes the same approach w/ Casinos on this forum.

I completely agree w/ freedom of speech, don't get me wrong. But I do believe certain systems should be off-limits to users who abuse them (such as the trust system, etc)

The same rules apply to everyone. If anyone are disruptive and the cause of an unpleasant experience for everyone else on the forum, then mods will remove the cause of the disruption. We need to see the bigger picture here and that is the experience people get from this forum.

If the debate stay in one thread and it is not disruptive to the people that are not interested in that debate, then everything should be fine, but once this spills over to multiple threads on the same topic, then it becomes disruptive and people will have a unpleasant experience.

Exploitation of the trust system will also not be tolerated by the mods, but they need to judge the situation to see if it was done to exploit the system.

I just hope that all of you can come to some kind of resolution for this problem.  

[JollyGood]

To be clear, my post wasn't against your activity, I have nothing against you and was agreeing with Rhavar's points exactly. I haven't followed your issues with betking closely so I don't have an opinion right now on the matter. I agree with Rhavar you should consolidate to one thread in this section about betking to avoid being grouped into the same category as other trolls.

That makes things clear.

From my perspective, months ago I started a new thread for each betking issue when they arose but then decided not to start any new threads when more betking issues arose. If I started a new thread for each scam accusation against Dean Nolan there would be more than 4 threads and the latest one would have been started today not on 17th August 2018. I already refrained from starting more when more issues and shady business practices came up for scrutiny.

I re-iterate what I wrote in my previous post to you, "for example sake if Stake were to have an ICO with a whitepaper/guide which was used as the basis to attract investors bringing in millions of US$ but Stake owners did not fulfill the whitepaper proposals then I would get on the Stake thread and ask the owners and mods: "Why did you do that?". From what I have seen on the Stake thread the mods are polite and helpful, they never had a problem with me and I never had a problem with them because when I asked questions I got simple honest straight-forward answers.". This petition thread is another pathetic attempt by Dean Nolan to keep doing what he has been doing for a long time, which is to refuse to answer the actual questions and to try to deflect attention away from the core issue which is that he scammed investors.

I will not be able to consolidate the 4 betking scam treads in to one but moderators can feel free to do it if they want. Each thread is about a specific part of the betking scam.

1) 26th June 2018
Is it a blatant scam?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.0

2) 11th August 2018
MUST AVOID BETKING: What Happened to the 50 BTC Jackpot? Was It Just A Fraud?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4873939.0

3) 14th August 2018
500 BTC, 2250 ETH & 425 LTC Bankroll. A Fraud?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4893439.0

4) 17th August 2018
Disastrous Reputation! Read This Reddit Post.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4913034.0

-The first betking scam thread started in June 2018 OP is specific about the ICO token calculation formula and the plugin software.
-The second betking scam thread started in August 2018 OP is specific about the 50 BTC Jackpot Dean Nolan was promoting then it vanished without trace or announcement or a winner.
-The third betking scam thread started in August 2018 OP is specific about the 50% ICO funds that were allegedly guaranteed to go to the bankroll but that did not seem to happen.
-The fourth betking scam thread started in June 2018 OP is specific about the private chats Dean Nolan had with another user here pre-ICO which exposes much of his scam intentions.

As mentioned above, the last betking scam thread I started was in August 2018 nearly 2 months ago and I voluntarily decided not to start new threads for each accusation or new information that came to light. Why is it a big problem? Had Dean Nolan actually answered the questions things would have been different as several of the betking scam threads would not have even been started.

My earlier statement also stands firm. If Dean Nolan proves he is right by providing evidence that everybody in the forum can see and it proves I am wrong, I will remove the Scam Alert from my signature and publicly apologise to him. He overreacted, did not like being questioned and went on the defensive instead of behaving in a mature and sensible manner trying to resolve the issues as soon as possible in order for both parties to concentrate on other things.

If he continues to refuse answering the questions, then another earlier statement stand firm too:

@ Dean Nolan & Betking - Which country do you live in Dean Nolan? Is it N.America? EU? Is it Asia? If your country of residence has a robust legal system I will report you to the appropriate legal authorities.

If Dean Nolan does not answer the questions about betking scamming and does not let me know which country he lives in for the sole purpose of reporting him to the legal authorities, then I will have to start one final betking scam thread but more on that later if the need arises.

[Initscri]

The same rules apply to everyone. If anyone are disruptive and the cause of an unpleasant experience for everyone else on the forum, then mods will remove the cause of the disruption. We need to see the bigger picture here and that is the experience people get from this forum.

If the debate stay in one thread and it is not disruptive to the people that are not interested in that debate, then everything should be fine, but once this spills over to multiple threads on the same topic, then it becomes disruptive and people will have a unpleasant experience.

Exploitation of the trust system will also not be tolerated by the mods, but they need to judge the situation to see if it was done to exploit the system.

I just hope that all of you can come to some kind of resolution for this problem.  

I completely agree with the 1 thread debate mentality. I have no issues with users who create 1 thread to debate a specific topic, even if their practice/opinions may be controversial.

But there are a few users who are blatantly targeting/harassing users who disagree with them, and abusing the trust system, and they should be reigned in or have specific privileges banned/temp-banned.

[JollyGood]

The same rules apply to everyone. If anyone are disruptive and the cause of an unpleasant experience for everyone else on the forum, then mods will remove the cause of the disruption. We need to see the bigger picture here and that is the experience people get from this forum.

If the debate stay in one thread and it is not disruptive to the people that are not interested in that debate, then everything should be fine, but once this spills over to multiple threads on the same topic, then it becomes disruptive and people will have a unpleasant experience.

Exploitation of the trust system will also not be tolerated by the mods, but they need to judge the situation to see if it was done to exploit the system.

I just hope that all of you can come to some kind of resolution for this problem.  

Thank you for the post. I broadly agree with your comments.

[hilariousandco]

This isn't about more mods, but forum policy. Without changing that Staff can't go around making up their own rules and they need to follow the ones in place and theymos generally wants as much freedom as possible, and whilst that is generally good, it also obviously comes with downsides and people are often willing to abuse that freedom. Some users do get away with far too much here but Staff generally don't get involved unless it breaks forum policy, so if you have evidence of harassment and extortion then you should report those messages to Global mods and/or open up a thread in Reputation or Scam Accusations, but there's only so much Staff can do about that. Even if certain users are banned they will likely just create a new account and start harassing you again so banning isn't always effective. I have suggested new enhanced features where users/businesses can moderate their own threads how they like and can even permanently ban or block certain users or user groups from even posting in that thread, but in the meantime you can self-mod a thread and make your own local rules prohibiting certain users from posting there. If they break those local rules then users can be banned.

[BetKing Support]

This isn't about more mods, but forum policy. Without changing that Staff can't go around making up their own rules and they need to follow the ones in place and theymos generally wants as much freedom as possible, and whilst that is generally good, it also obviously comes with downsides and people are often willing to abuse that freedom. Some users do get away with far too much here but Staff generally don't get involved unless it breaks forum policy, so if you have evidence of harassment and extortion then you should report those messages to Global mods and/or open up a thread in Reputation or Scam Accusations, but there's only so much Staff can do about that. Even if certain users are banned they will likely just create a new account and start harassing you again so banning isn't always effective. I have suggested new enhanced features where users/businesses can moderate their own threads how they like and can even permanently ban or block certain users or user groups from even posting in that thread, but in the meantime you can self-mod a thread and make your own local rules prohibiting certain users from posting there. If they break those local rules then users can be banned.

I have a self mod thread with local rules that these users broke and I messaged you asking to ban them for that.
Can you check? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5023833.0

[JollyGood]

This isn't about more mods, but forum policy. Without changing that Staff can't go around making up their own rules and they need to follow the ones in place and theymos generally wants as much freedom as possible, and whilst that is generally good, it also obviously comes with downsides and people are often willing to abuse that freedom. Some users do get away with far too much here but Staff generally don't get involved unless it breaks forum policy, so if you have evidence of harassment and extortion then you should report those messages to Global mods and/or open up a thread in Reputation or Scam Accusations, but there's only so much Staff can do about that. Even if certain users are banned they will likely just create a new account and start harassing you again so banning isn't always effective. I have suggested new enhanced features where users/businesses can moderate their own threads how they like and can even permanently ban or block certain users or user groups from even posting in that thread, but in the meantime you can self-mod a thread and make your own local rules prohibiting certain users from posting there. If they break those local rules then users can be banned.

@hilariousandco
I have no idea about alleged extortion from any user towards another though I read an accusation from Dean Nolan towards game-protect. Likewise game-protect has made various allegations against Dean Nolan and betking.

As far posting in self-moderated threads is concerned sure I did post there and Dean Nolan deleted my posts so I stopped posting there. I have no intention of posting in any self-moderated thread no matter who starts them if my posts will get deleted. I on the other hand believe self-moderated threads defeat the purpose as they censor but even with Dean Nolan and betking having a self-moderated it is quite clear there is no rush for users to join-in because Bitsler, Stake and Primedice seems to be where the users are rushing to, but that is another matter.

I have done nothing that deserves a ban. If anything, in my opinion any person that conducts an ICO and then fails to live up to what was proposed in the whitepaper should be banned but we are all entitled to our opinions. In one instance a couple of months back Dean Nolan claimed users game-protect, chazley and myself were the same person before backing down and accepting he lied.

Dean Nolan came to this community cap-in-hand begging for funds during the ICO for betking but it was all based on misdirection, misinformation and some outright lies. He has refused to answer the questions openly in the forum that will either prove his innocence or guilt. They will prove his guilt from his own keyboard that is why Dean Nolan has gone on the defensive trying to get me banned.

@ Dean Nolan & Betking
I no longer want you to answer any questions about the betking scam because you made it clear you will not answer them,I waited long enough giving you ample time.

Having said that, Dean Nolan you chose to ignore the last question I asked in the previous post. This is the final time I will ask, if you do not reply I will open a thread to invite users to send anything which might be deemed as evidence in a Court of Law. Answer the question please so I can start contacting the appropriate legal authorities, after all you claim you have nothing to hide so: Which country do you live in Dean Nolan? Is it N.America? EU? Is it Asia? If your country of residence has a robust legal system I will report you to the appropriate legal authorities.

[game-protect]

Some users do get away with far too much here but Staff generally don't get involved unless it breaks forum policy, so if you have evidence of harassment and extortion then you should report those messages to Global mods and/or open up a thread in Reputation or Scam Accusations, but there's only so much Staff can do about that.

BetKing Support committed the criminal offense of defamation with claiming that I private messaged and threatened to report him to authorities unless he sends me Bitcoin.

I've spoke with many site owners and they all have a similar story, that game-protect has private messaged them threatening to report them to authorities unless they send him Bitcoin.

Even though I authorized him to publicise these threatening private messages, he failed to deliver!

Thereafter he somehow modified his criminal offense of defamation that he was only told by other site owners that I have threaten them and not himself (If I understood correctly).

Game-protect is an extortionist, a scammer, a troll and paid by other sites to spread shit about other sites. There are site owners who could show proof of this, they all messaged me saying that's what happened.

I then authorized the other site owners to publicise these threatening private messages and BetKing Support failed again to deliver!

I furthermore asked BetKing Support why he did not open a scam accusation like it is very common here on bitcointalk and he of course failed again to answer!


What this scam artist does is committing a series of criminal offenses like investment and affiliate scam and defamation and then asks the forum moderators to ban Game Protect for a not committed threatening or extortion or scam!

But just to clarify, the criminal offenses of investment and affiliate scam and defamation are allowed by forum rules and the criminal offenses of threatening or extortion are not?

Is there a list of what criminal offenses are allowed and what not?

[BetKing Support]

a couple of months back Dean Nolan claimed users game-protect, chazley and myself were the same person before backing down and accepting he lied.

I still think you and game-protect are the same person. Mods could check this and confirm, but they won't.

Some BKB token holders and other sites also think this is a possibility.

Funny how you both post messages around the same time (a few minutes apart) and you both bump threads and talk to each other at the same time.

 

[game-protect]

a couple of months back Dean Nolan claimed users game-protect, chazley and myself were the same person before backing down and accepting he lied.

I still think you and game-protect are the same person. Mods could check this and confirm, but they won't.

Some BKB token holders and other sites also think this is a possibility.

Funny how you both post messages around the same time (a few minutes apart) and you both bump threads and talk to each other at the same time.

So I or he use two devices and internet connections at the same time or does bitcointalk allow to be logged in with two accounts using only one pc and internet connection?

Your analysis skills are close to zero! I think you even did not realize that you are crushed!

Let us see when your separate fantasy dream world will hit the reality!

[JollyGood]

I still think you and game-protect are the same person. Mods could check this and confirm, but they won't.

Some BKB token holders and other sites also think this is a possibility.

Funny how you both post messages around the same time (a few minutes apart) and you both bump threads and talk to each other at the same time.

I hope people come forward with information that can be passed on to the law enforcement agencies in the country you reside in: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787

[Sandpaper44]

The problem I see with having mods in charge of this aspect is bitcointalk has a history of people being corrupted and pushing aspects to make friends or people that pay them more money. Most people can read between the lines on who is trolling because those folks tend to never let off the gas pedal in their focus on a topic.

Best to just say "hey we got some idiots in here be warned, use a brain cell"!

[Initscri]

I still think you and game-protect are the same person. Mods could check this and confirm, but they won't.

Some BKB token holders and other sites also think this is a possibility.

Funny how you both post messages around the same time (a few minutes apart) and you both bump threads and talk to each other at the same time.

I hope people come forward with information that can be passed on to the law enforcement agencies in the country you reside in: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787

Maybe it's best you guys move this over to the other topic discussing your accusations against BetKing. This is just turning into another alt version of your other BetKing threads.

I'm not dismissing/agreeing to any of the claims, just probably best to maintain 1 thread, not 5 different ones w/ separate yet similar debates going on.

The problem I see with having mods in charge of this aspect is bitcointalk has a history of people being corrupted and pushing aspects to make friends or people that pay them more money. Most people can read between the lines on who is trolling because those folks tend to never let off the gas pedal in their focus on a topic.

Best to just say "hey we got some idiots in here be warned, use a brain cell"!

Agreed, there's always going to be users which simply don't add anything beneficial to the forum. IMO the forum should be open to all opinions, and no one should try to force against freedom of speech. However, systems like the trust system IMO are a privileges on this forum. If you abuse it (send mass copy/pasted neg trust to your adversaries), then you deserve at the very least a removal of all of that negative trust.