How to deal with bumping via fake conversation?

[MagicSmoker]

According to whitepaper they will run IPO in 2020, maybe that's why?

I guess MagicSmoker has to report fake conversations in Neluns thread for two more years.  

This clip from LA Story is exactly how this is playing out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVMTfGQe51g

[tmfp]

According to ICOBench, Neluns completed their ICO a month ago, didn't they? Why are these shill/bot accounts still active? There is no point in creating fake buzz now after everything has finished. Hmm, I'm missing something here...

According to whitepaper they will run IPO in 2020, maybe that's why?

Or maybe when they exit scammed, with the minute real percentage of the claimed $136m, they forgot to turn off everything in their short term rental offices?
Or maybe they sent the missing bounty money to the bumping service by mistake?

What's 200,000,000 * $1200? About half a Warren Buffet.
No wonder the woman on the right looks skeptical. She's their Marketing person, the one who hasn't tweeted anything for a month.
A New York marketer, hasn't used Twitter for four weeks? Must be dead, or smth.

[marlboroza]

Or maybe when they exit scammed, with the minute real percentage of the claimed $136m, they forgot to turn off everything in their short term rental offices?

One can't simple turn off bots.

No wonder the woman on the right looks skeptical. She's their Marketing person, the one who hasn't tweeted anything for a month.
A New York marketer, hasn't used Twitter for four weeks? Must be dead, or smth.

They are working hard to list tokens on exchange in October. Discussing on time machine, back to the future III, using some bounty money to upgrade delorean and so on.

[MagicSmoker]

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No wonder the woman on the right looks skeptical. She's their Marketing person, the one who hasn't tweeted anything for a month.
A New York marketer, hasn't used Twitter for four weeks? Must be dead, or smth.

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Her expression is priceless, and that graph might as well have a drawing of the moon in the upper right corner!

I see you are trying to fight the good fight in the Neluns thread, but the mods failed to nuke the two old newbie accounts brought online yesterday - 30stomachs and Forward - even after I provided 2 examples of plagiarism for each of them. I submitted a 3rd example for each this morning but, really, one should be sufficient for banning anyone, much less a <30 activity newbie!

[tmfp]

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No wonder the woman on the right looks skeptical. She's their Marketing person, the one who hasn't tweeted anything for a month.
A New York marketer, hasn't used Twitter for four weeks? Must be dead, or smth.

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Her expression is priceless, and that graph might as well have a drawing of the moon in the upper right corner!

I see you are trying to fight the good fight in the Neluns thread, but the mods failed to nuke the two old newbie accounts brought online yesterday - 30stomachs and Forward - even after I provided 2 examples of plagiarism for each of them. I submitted a 3rd example for each this morning but, really, one should be sufficient for banning anyone, much less a <30 activity newbie!

I have half an hour before the pub opens, so having a little fun there.
I don't like criticizing mods, they have a shit job and generally do it very well but I can't help thinking that, unless they take firmer action, this could be the thin end of the wedge and this type of Pong spam will become the New Normal.

[Ohgreatanotherone]

Think the mod should really give Neluns the critical look - or even make an example off. I've seen the guys offering these short of services proudly approaching and pitching how they can keep your ANN as a top 3 thread (not even just the first page anymore, but the top 3!). Legitimate projects may feel pressured to hire these guys just for visibility sakes (or some shitty CMO who doesn't know jack about marketing, community engagement, and retention). What worries me the most is if such services are being patronized in a bear market, what will happen during bull?

[MagicSmoker]

I have half an hour before the pub opens, so having a little fun there.
I don't like criticizing mods, they have a shit job and generally do it very well but I can't help thinking that, unless they take firmer action, this could be the thin end of the wedge and this type of Pong spam will become the New Normal.

The italicized is precisely why I started this thread: this new scheme of simulating a conversation could be an insidious way of spamming the forum with little recourse available in the current set of rules. Right now we are able to take them out - albeit highly inefficiently - because they are committing plagiarism by recycling entire conversations over and over again, but if the bots get just a little bit more clever and start spouting random gibberish instead of copying and pasting we'll just be left with reporting them for "low value posts," and mods are far more reluctant to nuke/ban for that offense compared to plagiarism.

Really, the OP for each of these threads needs to be banned for "incentivized posting" and the threads locked or nuked since both threads are self-moderated and the vast majority of the posts therein are plagiarized. However, the mods are not only leaving the reports in which I have requested such unhandled, they are requiring 3 or more examples of plagiarism for each user before banning them. I hear you on not coming down too hard on the mods because they have a shitty job, but in some respects they are the ones to blame for making the job shittier than it need be. Mind you, I understand why they might be reluctant to nuke a thread just on the report of a full member like me, but when you or xtraelv or others that have been here for years join the fray they really ought to take more notice.

[tmfp]

Well their paj**t bumping scam has rather rebounded.
This link summarizes quite well my suspicions that the whole NELUNS structure was/is a complete scam (and saves me an effortpost, so just a lazy linked Scam Accusation instead)

https://ttrcoin.com/threads/neluns-io-scam.2796/

[MagicSmoker]

Well their paj**t bumping scam has rather rebounded.
This link summarizes quite well my suspicions that the whole NELUNS structure was/is a complete scam (and saves me an effortpost, so just a lazy linked Scam Accusation instead)

https://ttrcoin.com/threads/neluns-io-scam.2796/

The same bots currently in operation the Neluns thread - 30stomachs and forward - are going strong on a thread I targeted early on here: EvenCoin. Also as mentioned in my last post to the Neluns thread, the same bots - though not this pair - have been used on the Neogame.io thread.

Finally, another thread that I also targeted in the beginning - DBX - appears to have been trashed, as it is no longer available and I didn't add that section to my ignore list. So, global mods are taking some action against these artificially bumped threads, it's just taking a lot of reports to get to that point (or someone higher ranked than me to do the reporting - xtraelv helped with nailing DBX).

[tmfp]

I see that the NELUNS [ANN] thread OP milonite logged in today for the first time in a couple of weeks, answering briefly on another of his bounty threads, for MINDOL the [ANN] of which has also received the Pong Bot treatment.

It will be interesting to see whether

a) He indulges in mass self mod deleting
b) The Pongs continue to stink the place out

[MagicSmoker]

I see that the NELUNS [ANN] thread OP milonite logged in today for the first time in a couple of weeks, answering briefly on another of his bounty threads, for MINDOL the [ANN] of which has also received the Pong Bot treatment.

It will be interesting to see whether

a) He indulges in mass self mod deleting
b) The Pongs continue to stink the place out

Sweet mother of Crisco... forward and 30stomachs are still posting, despite that I have submitted 3 reports of plagiarism for each on them! Well, a new day with plenty of new plagiarism to report so I just nailed them for a couple more infractions each, bringing their totals up to 5!

It will definitely be interesting to see if milonite deletes any of our "off-topic" posts, but I'd really like to see the little spaz banned for "incentivizing posting" through the use of bump-bots. Wishful thinking, perhaps, but a man can dream...


EDIT 1 - 3 of the 4 reports I submitted a few minutes ago have already been marked good; let's see if Neluns grinds to a halt for at least a few hours before a new pair of bots are brought online!

EDIT 2 - Keep your eye on the SafeInsure thread as two ancient accounts from 2013/14 have been wiped clean and started posting gibberish so these are likely bump-bots running a new script (no plagiarism yet).

EDIT 3 - posts 1126 & 1127 in the SafeInsure thread are plagiarized and reported.

EDIT 4 - bots from earlier were nuked (ie - accounts banned and all posts deleted) but new bots came online to replace them and I've already nailed each for 1 plagiarism report so far.

[tmfp]

It will definitely be interesting to see if milonite deletes any of our "off-topic" posts

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

What number of tokens does the project allocate for the project promotion and all other goals? It is important for me to know the quantity, because on the basis of this information it can resolve some issues.

13,501,020 NLS for a bounty campaign

What, the bounty campaign that they refuse to pay out on?

Delete this one too, ya scamming cunt.

That makes seventeen...


Have you looked at your trust recently?
I don't know if I want to carry on this conversation, matey says you're a scammer.... 

[morvillz7z]

I feel honored to be part of this exclusive red trust party.

We did it fellow "scamming cunts".  


Edit: He continues to give false positive feedback to his sockpuppet accounts and negative feedback to anyone whos against him or the scam project he is so desperately trying to promote. The latest victim is suchmoon, he left the following trust:" Suchmoon Is a scammer. "

What can we do with trust abusers?

[MagicSmoker]

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Have you looked at your trust recently?
I don't know if I want to carry on this conversation, matey says you're a scammer....  
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My first red trust! I'll treasure it forever!  

EDIT - on a more serious note, the bots used by Neluns have also showed up in several other projects, most recently, EvenCoin and SafeInsure. Make sure to spread the love around!

[alani123]

I've voiced my thoughts in the past, but I don't mind doing it again. I'm really hoping theymos might consider some long-term solution to the issue. The workload put on mods is just over the top at the moment and reporting everything isn't easy and also doesn't solve the issue in the long run.

AN option to consider:
Disabling bump ability of new accounts.
Why should accounts lower than the member rank, that haven't earned any merits, be able to push a thread to the top? Especially in most of the Altcoin boards where such promotion with sock accounts is rampant, this is much needed. This would work without disturbing any legitimate user's ability to ask questions or post in the forum, but would instantly render useless the value of a response from new accounts bringing a thread to the front page. It's a small limitation that would likely discourage many of those altcoin marketers from engaging in the practice, without having to put all users in the same bag by enstating a much more strict newbie jail.

[MagicSmoker]

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AN option to consider:
Disabling bump ability of new accounts.
Why should accounts lower than the member rank, that haven't earned any merits, be able to push a thread to the top?
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Anyone can post but the thread won't rise back up to the top unless they are member rank or higher, correct? That's a novel proposal and one I can't really find any fault with, though I suspect it might be difficult to get the forum software to play along.

[bitart]

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Have you looked at your trust recently?
I don't know if I want to carry on this conversation, matey says you're a scammer....  
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My first red trust! I'll treasure it forever!  
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Me too, first red trust is always a memorable thing

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Disabling bump ability of new accounts.
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 Especially in most of the Altcoin boards where such promotion with sock accounts is rampant, this is much needed.
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There should be only allowed to bump for newbies in the Meta and the Beginner's section, because if they want to ask for urgent help, they won't be limited, but the other boards topics should be excluded. Merit is not a good option here, because if a newbie register here only to ask a specific question, he/she won't start to chase merit just to be able to bump his/her topic...

[morvillz7z]

My first red trust! I'll treasure it forever!  

Your red trust is gone somehow...lucky goose.  


edit:

Hmm, you're right... Maybe it was because I hadn't (yet) left milonite negative feedback?

I'm not completely sure, but I don't think the trust system works like this, the feedback is independent of each other.

Most likely he had a change of heart and removed it, I don't think it will happen for the rest of us.

It doesn't matter, but still having one of these on your trust wall is annoying, especially when it is sent by a bum/liar.

[bitart]

My first red trust! I'll treasure it forever!  

Your red trust is gone somehow...lucky goose.  

What happens if e.g. a member who has given red trust (not DT) is banned/nuked/etc?
Does the red trust disappear or it will stay there until the end of time?
Just curious

EDIT:
I'm still having mine

[TryNinja]

What happens if e.g. a member who has given red trust (not DT) is banned/nuked/etc?
Does the red trust disappear or it will stay there until the end of time?
Just curious

EDIT:
I'm still having mine

It stays. The user's posts have nothing to do with his trust feedbacks.