Current List of Competitive Hardware - January 2020

[ZimbaCardi]

Micro BT is announcing 4 Whatsminers Sunday the 19th, M20, M20S, M21 and M21S.

May want to watch for that for competitive hardware, I posted their announcement but was promptly deleted for unknown reasons.

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[Searing]

Micro BT is announcing 4 Whatsminers Sunday the 19th, M20, M20S, M21 and M21S.

May want to watch for that for competitive hardware, I posted their announcement but was promptly deleted for unknown reasons.

er catch is the 'supposed' out the door is 1st week in August 2019 and the prices suck for that far in the future IMHO.

here is the link.

judge for yourself.

https://whatsminer.net/shop/

NOTE: I AM ASSUMING THE LINK ABOVE IS THE LEGIT SITE. SO BEWARE. DO YOUR RESEARCH.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

That is one distributor, the other is Pangolinminer. I've used Pango many times for purchasing the M10's. Very good company but ja that long of a lead time for the whatsminers sux big time.

[minefarmbuy]

Pricing is fine imo, as nothing else is/will competing with the M20 but yes too long of lead time.

[Searing]

Pricing is fine imo, as nothing else is/will competing with the M20 but yes too long of lead time.

ditto....in my area ... I can get the elec utility (Xcel) to pay same for elec as I pay for (12 winter and 13c summer...more or less).

the CATCH is, however, they go by your LAST YEARS electric use and will only buy back at that rate...so if it was $100 w/o, miners and you have the capacity to do $400 a month with miners....sure you can do it for 6 months but then they adust downward..if you miss that goal but never back upwards..once the miners go off (FML).

So, I can't use the 'extra' capacity of what I use for miners (not selling back to Xcel)  when they go defunct... because even with say a year lag between decent equipment..in 6 months they will adjust downward.

So hell, that sucked.

So back to the equipment side of this post, before it gets deleted for off-topic (where I'm going with this) as a 'equip hedge" (with no real decent equipment miner wise in the next year) a person could use some BTC on a price pump as a hedge against it going down and get a solar setup (my case 9KW is 20k after rebates supposedly)

BUT you'd have to have some miner equipment in place, with a year of electrick use, to justify to Xcel your use of electric at that rate (frigging chicken and egg miner paradox)

The point of this post, you STILL have to find miner equipment that makes sense to mine at say 12-13c kWh and just use that direct to mining...at the point this equipment (next to go around say 2020 equip and beyond) that equip becomes obsolete you could MAYBE stop mining after that point and sell back to the electric utility at the higher use rate for maybe 6-9 months and if lucky the usual winter heat benefit...then they adjust downward and you have an overcapacity solar arrangement that you can't put back till new miners become possible as a hedge.

So I'm still stuck...I can get solar as a 'hedge' in case BTC corrects too much this year and bleed some off...If BTC pumps at least I'd have solar..but that only works IF there is less then dubious equipment I can mine with in 2020 in the basement.

Thus after all that (except for bleeding some BTC off and getting solar out of the deal) I am right back where I started and need equipment that would work in 2020 ..run it for a year or so ..and then maybe, kinda could justify solar.

Sucks that they can regulate how much they will buy back on use...then you can't adjust up after the fact..but they can review in 6 months and adjust downward when the use goes away.

Anyway, I think this is on topic. I thought maybe it was an angle...maybe in some other state...In Minnesota and Xcel I can't give them more electric back from miners..(maybe 6 months) after the miners go to bricks till the next batch of miners come out, say a year later...so the only way solar is any use in my case would be if we have a bubble again and I simply want to buy some solar as a hedge on a drop in price for giggles.....and there is no equipment around I can get instead.

So that was a long way around to find 1) no equipment worth getting in the near future and 2) solar does not give me a working around for this and so back at 1) again...no equipment worth getting in the near future.

Hopefully, someone in another state can tell they don't have this cluster and can get around such.

I thought it was a way (kinda is I guess) to get solar this year and then get miner equipment next year with solar in place. Seems I need the equipment first in both cases and Xcel has all the angles on Solar.

FML

brad

[Steamtyme]

Micro BT is announcing 4 Whatsminers Sunday the 19th, M20, M20S, M21 and M21S. May want to watch for that for competitive hardware ~snipped and formatted~

I'll add them to the list the same as the other gear once it's confirmed in the wild. I'm expecting what I believe will be branded an M20S ordered as a demo, within the next 2 weeks - maybe. The lead time was about 6 weeks at time of ordering, but may stretch a bit, I've never gone longer than that and couldn't imagine how hard the waiting game would be. They are however one of the few units that don't come with a hard 240 V cap.

Searing - Yeah I've been fortunate to live in an area that leaves me very well positioned for mining. It's tough for some out there, keep looking for opportunities, if your Winters are cold you may want to consider becoming a seasonal miner, only. I see this as a likely end result for a lot of home miners down the road.

[ZimbaCardi]

I think Bitfily is down for the count, last I tried to buy from them by the time the wire transfer cleared they were out of any and all miners, used A1, B1 et all, they actually went out and found me used M3's to try and make up, their page is down also. I will confirm in a few days when I contact a sales person I know.

[chipi48]

I'm sorry to hear that, Zimba. It is a very weird situation. Their chinese website it is still online.
The company I work at, recently (about 7 weeks ago) have completed a huge buy of 500 or more B1+ asic units. The last new I have hearded was the shipment was sent on time and will arrive in only some days (maritime transport). I will keep you informed about that.

[ZimbaCardi]

From my sales person at Bitfily, "They are not making any new miners". so RIP Bitfily and hope I don't break another PSU.

[Steamtyme]

Thanks for the update, they've joined Halong and been moved to the final stop on the list. Anyone who has ordered gear recently can also fill in on what the USD price was I will try and update that in the next week. M20 will probably be the next gear update, they should be arriving to people in 10-14 days ~ better late than never.
Just a reminder that this thread serves a running reference to the Hardware Available. This is not a general discussion thread, use the links provided in the OP for each miner, or wherever is suitable.

[Steamtyme]

In case anyone is wondering why I haven't added the M20S to the list yet, despite a couple in the wild. To my knowledge Pangolin has the first complete batch of demo units that should have shipped out, and were available for order off the website. That batch did not completely ship out and I'm unsure how many people did or did not receive them. I know that I did not receive mine, but some higher profile members did receive theirs, which can sometimes be problematic.  Secondly the batch was also delayed several weeks.

So until this is fulfilled I'll cautiously hold off on promoting it through this reference thread.

[octomob]

What about the Bitmain's T17? Are those not competitive enough? 

[philipma1957]

What about the Bitmain's T17? Are those not competitive enough? 

At steamtyme please list t17

At octomob gave you a merit for pointing it out.

[ZimbaCardi]

At octomob gave you a merit for pointing it out.

Oooh, can I get one for pointing out they are sold out? Please?

[Steamtyme]

Updates:

• I have created and included a list based on efficiency of all currently and recently available hardware under .07 J/GH
• I have updated MicroBT's best offering to the M20S, as from what I can tell there are no longer any outstanding orders
• I went through and updated pricing for gear based on what manufacturer/distributors are advertising

Right now the only odd listing is Innosilicon. It appears that a lot of the T3 variations have become worse with efficiency and or have performed under spec. I'm going to do a little more research and see what if there is any discussion around the pre-orders for the T3+; which is not an improvement in efficiency.

[mossdj]

You could include Cheetah miner manufacturer, looks very promising and interesting.

Not a paid post, you can check out its official website: https://www.cheetah-miner.com/?lang=en

PS: Beware of scamming site: www.cheetahminer.com ; Too good to be true boys!

[Steamtyme]

I don't know why but they seem very familiar. Did they have less efficient gear before?  That would be one reason they never made the list if their offerings weren't competitive at the time. I also withhold putting a company on here until there is some proof of gear and specs. They do have a few pieces that claim really good efficiency with delivery for October based on the site.

Did some digging and there was some talk of them a few months back but doesn't seem to be much else. I'll definitely keep an eye on them.

[Searing]

$370 for 30TH

afraid odds are 9 out of 10 this is a scam.

sorry

If it is too good to be true, it often is correct, too good to be true.

brad

[Steamtyme]

Well I'm not giving them an A+ on anything, but looking at their site it looks like 53 TH for 13800 Yaun = ~1960 USD for this gear  - 53T ASIC miner Cheetah Miner-F5M with PSU
I did reach out to them for information and to ask if they had anyone performing reviews. I do not recommend anyone send them money until gear has been seen and verified by an independent party. Positives are that they are not just blindly accepting payment via the site, but will have a service rep reach out to you.

The 30TH model may just be an outlier of a small company that doesn't update their website very well. It should really just say in-stock if it is still available. We'll see if I hear back from them or something materializes in the wild.

[Searing]

Again, out of the country, I had an offer of $900 Innsolicon 30TH at 2,200 watts with $50 shipping to the states. Don't help me any with 36.7% tariff and import fees etc. This comes out to $1,307.20 there vs with USA tariffs after September 1st, 2019 or if you are a VAT Tax country..you may be sh*t out of luck on all this.

Hosting overseas legit? meh...?

I could post the info here and flesh it out some to see if legit. Indeed even pay the guy after I got this $1,307.20 30TH beastie for a review. Not worth the bother. Sorry. Hopefully, this is NOT off-topic in that just showing the difference in prices I'm being offered by individuals on the above Innsolicon. If they make a legit offer of say at 53TH at 3200 watts for say $1,499 I may just cry. I'd still be way out of the running in the USA.

Sorry, again, this SHOULD be on-topic just to show what is floating around in the wind for prices, in and out of USA anyway. Stuff that needs to be at the forefront of our miner calcs now the 36.7% frigging tariff.

Again, if you really want the contact info to flesh this out in this thread I can put it out there, but without a 'pay when you get it' and a review, I'm not going to. In that does me no good in the USA. So have legit links now for this new hardware page that is not even worth the hassle of my time in venting on a pay after it arrives review with the tariffs.

brad