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March 06, 2014, 11:48:08 PM
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Today the media and bitcoin community circus of the potential finding of Satoshi Nakamoto occured.  Almost exactly a week after the collapse of the largest and most historically important bitcoin exchange went under in a smoke of fraud and corruption allegations.

Holy crap!

And throw in the fact that this news is occuring on a Thursday (Friday) in some places, the most bearish day of the week over the last year. Yet, the markets, for the most part have not moved today.

I started watching these markets fairly close (as in daily) in August of 2013. So not too long ago. But what has been obvious to me is that in a bull market bad news is neutral and good news moves the markets. In a bear market, good news is neutral and bad news moves the markets. Until today, I had not seen evidence of good news moving the market and/or bad news being neutral since bitcoin was at 1200.

But today, bad news happened and the markets remained neutral.  

This is a sign, in my opinion. An important point of data to be put with other points of data.

But if we start to go up on the next positive news cycle or remain neutral the next time bitcoin is bashed, then this may be indicator that the bear market is dead.
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March 07, 2014, 12:05:59 AM
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Today the media and bitcoin community circus of the potential finding of Satoshi Nakamoto occured.  Almost exactly a week after the collapse of the largest and most historically important bitcoin exchange went under in a smoke of fraud and corruption allegations.

Holy crap!

And throw in the fact that this news is occuring on a Thursday (Friday) in some places, the most bearish day of the week over the last year. Yet, the markets, for the most part have not moved today.

I started watching these markets fairly close (as in daily) in August of 2013. So not too long ago. But what has been obvious to me is that in a bull market bad news is neutral and good news moves the markets. In a bear market, good news is neutral and bad news moves the markets. Until today, I had not seen evidence of good news moving the market and/or bad news being neutral since bitcoin was at 1200.

But today, bad news happened and the markets remained neutral.  

This is a sign, in my opinion. An important point of data to be put with other points of data.

But if we start to go up on the next positive news cycle or remain neutral the next time bitcoin is bashed, then this may be indicator that the bear market is dead.

How was today bad news?

Someone created Bitcoin. A journalist thought she had found him. Alledgedly, in the presence of two police officers, he claims that he has nothing more to do with Bitcoin as other people have taken it onboard. Later on, he denies ever being involved. Was he, wasn't he, does it matter?

The End.

Bot traders on the exchanges grind slowly up and down, teasing moves in one direction in order to get speculators to jump in, before teasing the price in the opposite direction in order to squeeze them out.

Another same old day at the office as far as I can tell.

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March 07, 2014, 12:08:25 AM
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I still don't understand why this is perceived as bad news. Huh
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March 07, 2014, 12:10:02 AM
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I think it simply caused uncertainty until people figured it out.
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March 07, 2014, 12:11:35 AM
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this news dont matter..imo

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March 07, 2014, 12:12:22 AM
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Don't mess with bears.

They have very large sharp teeth and claws.

My $.02.

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March 07, 2014, 12:18:48 AM
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I still don't understand why this is perceived as bad news. Huh

The theory goes that once the founder is known, if the founder can be personally discredited in anyway, the bitcoin can be discredited. Not too much unlike a political election, where people with an agenda spend hundreds of millions to discredit an opponent. Once you put a face on the opponent you can attempt to disrobe them and then control the dialogue.

I am neutral on this personally, but the theory and concern is pretty obvious.
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March 07, 2014, 12:20:59 AM
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this news dont matter..imo

Exactly!

My $.02.

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March 07, 2014, 12:21:12 AM
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this news dont matter..imo

Look, the news could very much in fact matter. If the creator of bitcoin is perceived as a lunatic or crazy or deranged, it can be used against the idea and adoption of bitcoin.

And the point is, it does NOT ever matter what the truth is. It matters what is perceived as the truth.

Perception is reality. Read the threads about this. It has been uniformly bearish.
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March 07, 2014, 12:21:22 AM
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I still don't understand why this is perceived as bad news. Huh

Presumably because Bitcoin holders believed that Satoshi being discovered would leave him no alternative but to dump his entire 1300000 BTC on the market. Obviously. I mean, what would you do in his shoes?  Undecided

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March 07, 2014, 12:24:18 AM
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Today the media and bitcoin community circus of the potential finding of Satoshi Nakamoto occured.  Almost exactly a week after the collapse of the largest and most historically important bitcoin exchange went under in a smoke of fraud and corruption allegations.

Holy crap!

And throw in the fact that this news is occuring on a Thursday (Friday) in some places, the most bearish day of the week over the last year. Yet, the markets, for the most part have not moved today.

I started watching these markets fairly close (as in daily) in August of 2013. So not too long ago. But what has been obvious to me is that in a bull market bad news is neutral and good news moves the markets. In a bear market, good news is neutral and bad news moves the markets. Until today, I had not seen evidence of good news moving the market and/or bad news being neutral since bitcoin was at 1200.

But today, bad news happened and the markets remained neutral.  

This is a sign, in my opinion. An important point of data to be put with other points of data.

But if we start to go up on the next positive news cycle or remain neutral the next time bitcoin is bashed, then this may be indicator that the bear market is dead.

How was today bad news?

Someone created Bitcoin. A journalist thought she had found him. Alledgedly, in the presence of two police officers, he claims that he has nothing more to do with Bitcoin as other people have taken it onboard. Later on, he denies ever being involved. Was he, wasn't he, does it matter?

The End.

Bot traders on the exchanges grind slowly up and down, teasing moves in one direction in order to get speculators to jump in, before teasing the price in the opposite direction in order to squeeze them out.

Another same old day at the office as far as I can tell.

How was this bad? I don't know, perhaps if someone wanted to look at theories about this, they would go back and read all your posts from 6 hours ago till now. You were ranting and raving about how bearish this was. Did you go off your meds again? Wink
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March 07, 2014, 12:25:40 AM
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Almost every genius has been considered a lunatic but things still make a change
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March 07, 2014, 12:27:42 AM
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Lol @ the fact that instead of discussing the point of this thread, about how the markets reacted to the news, everyone wants to act like all of a sudden this wasn't perceived as negative news.

Yet 90% of all the posts about this and new threads about this have been theories as to why this is a bad thing. smh. You guys.
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March 07, 2014, 12:30:57 AM
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How was this bad? I don't know, perhaps if someone wanted to look at theories about this, they would go back and read all your posts from 6 hours ago till now. You were ranting and raving about how bearish this was. Did you go off your meds again? Wink

No I fkn wasn't, u slimey little fucking maggot.

I was (foolishly) getting involved in a discussion about how if Satoshi were to dump his Bitcoin, that Bitcoin would bounce right back. (it wouldn't, it would die on that very same day). All the energy I wasted in that particularly wasteful pursuit was 'hypothetical'.

Man, how come you are off ignore anyhow?

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March 07, 2014, 12:32:39 AM
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How was this bad? I don't know, perhaps if someone wanted to look at theories about this, they would go back and read all your posts from 6 hours ago till now. You were ranting and raving about how bearish this was. Did you go off your meds again? Wink

No I fkn wasn't, u slimey little fucking maggot.

I was (foolishly) getting involved in a discussion about how if Satoshi were to dump his Bitcoin, that Bitcoin would bounce right back. (it wouldn't, it would die on that very same day). All the energy I wasted in that particularly wasteful pursuit was 'hypothetical'.

Man, how come you are off ignore anyhow?

Ha. I was thinking the same thing about you.

Corrected.
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March 07, 2014, 12:46:06 AM
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Lol @ the fact that instead of discussing the point of this thread, about how the markets reacted to the news, everyone wants to act like all of a sudden this wasn't perceived as negative news.

Yet 90% of all the posts about this and new threads about this have been theories as to why this is a bad thing. smh. You guys.

Yeah, I didn't really buy any of that shit, though. Hence my question. Looks like it ain't him, anyway...
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March 07, 2014, 03:59:14 AM
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bitcoin trends are not driven by news; they are driven by the accumulation/distribution cycle within the long term trend.
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March 07, 2014, 04:03:07 AM
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IMO, today's news that "vault of satoshi" is dropping US customers due to regulatory concerns was much worse than the potential unmasking of bitcoin's creator. but it seems to have been buried and is now only a footnote to all the drama, so not sure if it's even been factored in or not.

Night gathers, and now my bitcoinwisdom watch begins.
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March 07, 2014, 04:19:33 AM
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The bear market is dead... I can smell the dead bear.
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March 07, 2014, 04:20:14 AM
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The bear market is dead... I can smell the dead bear.

...hmm... or maybe it's rocket fuel...
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