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May 07, 2019, 10:15:47 AM
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More moralizing Postmodernist contrarian tripe.

You aren't arguing for logical and logistics based reasons for Communism and Socialism. Your arguments as always rely completely upon emotionally based moralizing where all of your preferred ideologies are superior, moral, and good, of course only ever defined in the contrarian context of the inferior, immoral, evil Capitalism. Much like the Democrat party has zero platform except "Orange Man Bad!", Communists have one mantra "Capitalism Bad!" and of course by comparison of course "Communism Good!". Any time an analysis of the actual results of your insane ideology are examined even superficially your facade crumbles under the weight of ITS OWN contradictions. Communism is insane and is the preferred ideology of mentally ill people who think they are helping people when they are actually working to enslave them even further.

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May 07, 2019, 12:01:49 PM
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i support both in some context. i think every single human being has right to get food, shelter, education and health related facilities but one who is working hard and giving day and night to work should get more money, more perks and privileges and better standard of life.
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May 07, 2019, 12:40:33 PM
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i support both in some context. i think every single human being has right to get food, shelter, education and health related facilities but one who is working hard and giving day and night to work should get more money, more perks and privileges and better standard of life.

Capitalism isn't really about working hard, its about ownership.  That is the real path to obtaining wealth.  Working for a salary will never compete with capital.  Money makes money faster than you can even spend it.

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May 07, 2019, 01:09:54 PM
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i support both in some context. i think every single human being has right to get food, shelter, education and health related facilities but one who is working hard and giving day and night to work should get more money, more perks and privileges and better standard of life.

Capitalism isn't really about working hard, its about ownership.  That is the real path to obtaining wealth.  Working for a salary will never compete with capital.  Money makes money faster than you can even spend it.

Especially ownership of property. Without that there is nowhere to build anything. You can't even plant your own food without owning your own property.

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May 07, 2019, 03:42:14 PM
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i support both in some context. i think every single human being has right to get food, shelter, education and health related facilities but one who is working hard and giving day and night to work should get more money, more perks and privileges and better standard of life.

Capitalism isn't really about working hard, its about ownership.  That is the real path to obtaining wealth.  Working for a salary will never compete with capital.  Money makes money faster than you can even spend it.
Capitalism is pourly base on profits maximizing and at that ownership is in the central door way of capitalism. This economic system is base on private ownership but the state playing the regulation role and at the same time go into state overall ownership of all property but leaving it in the hands on individuals. But socialism on the other hand is full ownership of means of production by the state.

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May 08, 2019, 01:54:55 AM
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i support both in some context. i think every single human being has right to get food, shelter, education and health related facilities but one who is working hard and giving day and night to work should get more money, more perks and privileges and better standard of life.

Capitalism isn't really about working hard, its about ownership.  That is the real path to obtaining wealth.  Working for a salary will never compete with capital.  Money makes money faster than you can even spend it.
Capitalism is pourly base on profits maximizing and at that ownership is in the central door way of capitalism. This economic system is base on private ownership but the state playing the regulation role and at the same time go into state overall ownership of all property but leaving it in the hands on individuals. But socialism on the other hand is full ownership of means of production by the state.

capitalism works for the capitalists,

those that are in the core of the system (central bank) always win because they just invest.

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May 08, 2019, 02:48:32 AM
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capitalism works for the capitalists,

That's quite true. 

those that are in the core of the system (central bank) always win because they just invest.

Again, true.  Like my bother who's a VP at one of those banks, he does quite well for himself.  Not bad for the son of an immigrant who showed up in the US with $35 in his pocket.  My parents had nothing when they came here, and before my dad died they had raised four educated, professional children, and owned a house and a commercial property in one of the most affluent counties in the country. 

Nobody gave it to any of them.  Not my parents, not my brother.  They had to work their asses off for it.  Opportunities don't exist in socialism, but they are plentiful in capitalism.  So yes, capitalism most definitely works for capitalists.

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May 08, 2019, 01:36:15 PM
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i support both in some context. i think every single human being has right to get food, shelter, education and health related facilities but one who is working hard and giving day and night to work should get more money, more perks and privileges and better standard of life.

Capitalism isn't really about working hard, its about ownership.  That is the real path to obtaining wealth.  Working for a salary will never compete with capital.  Money makes money faster than you can even spend it.
you are right capitalist is all about ownership but to get ownership you need brain, luck and hardworking
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May 08, 2019, 01:38:44 PM
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i support both in some context. i think every single human being has right to get food, shelter, education and health related facilities but one who is working hard and giving day and night to work should get more money, more perks and privileges and better standard of life.

Capitalism isn't really about working hard, its about ownership.  That is the real path to obtaining wealth.  Working for a salary will never compete with capital.  Money makes money faster than you can even spend it.
Capitalism is pourly base on profits maximizing and at that ownership is in the central door way of capitalism. This economic system is base on private ownership but the state playing the regulation role and at the same time go into state overall ownership of all property but leaving it in the hands on individuals. But socialism on the other hand is full ownership of means of production by the state.

capitalism works for the capitalists,

those that are in the core of the system (central bank) always win because they just invest.

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when government own every thing than its necessary for the country that their leaders must be honest otherwise they become kings and rule for years, so in that scenario capitalism works
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May 08, 2019, 02:44:08 PM
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In my opinon, most important capitalism's advantage against socialism there is more effective economy. In long term it means that capitalistic countries develop much faster, people have there higher standard of living etc.

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May 08, 2019, 04:41:18 PM
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In my opinon, most important capitalism's advantage against socialism there is more effective economy. In long term it means that capitalistic countries develop much faster, people have there higher standard of living etc.

High standard of living? You may want to go on youtube and see how homeless people are living in Los Angeles, Seattle, and Portland.  If you didn't know any better you would think it was some 3rd world country in Africa.

The socialist countries in Europe seem to be doing much better for the lower class.

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May 08, 2019, 06:04:20 PM
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In my opinon, most important capitalism's advantage against socialism there is more effective economy. In long term it means that capitalistic countries develop much faster, people have there higher standard of living etc.

High standard of living? You may want to go on youtube and see how homeless people are living in Los Angeles, Seattle, and Portland.  If you didn't know any better you would think it was some 3rd world country in Africa.

The socialist countries in Europe seem to be doing much better for the lower class.

Interesting you pick the most Socialist areas of the USA as an example of Capitalism...

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May 08, 2019, 07:29:08 PM
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In the country where I live, it has a socialism, a communism, a truth is a disaster and every day it seems a nightmare, because only less than 20 people in power have been totally destroyed and without a future in a country, if they gave me choose between socialism or capitalism, choose the wildest capitalism that exists, because the professional will always have all the options to have a life that he deserves due to his effort and dedication.

Capitalism allows you to work hard, has good money, is necessary to live and cover your basic needs, socialism is not, if you work 24 hours a day you can not be able to eat, people who have to look for jobs that escape the normal laws of traditional economy, socialize power, capitalism is not made for lazy people that the socialist system, where they worship the rulers and earn a mouthful of food.

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May 11, 2019, 12:00:23 PM
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I would add just one point on top of all these arguments which were posted earlier.

In reality, there are no 100% pure capitalist countries and 100% pure socialist countries in existence. Even the so called socialist nations such as Cuba and North Korea now allows private ownership of property and private business ventures. If you take the case of the so called "capitalist" nations such as the United States, then you can see that socialist ideas such as affirmative action have been included in the laws.

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May 11, 2019, 04:50:25 PM
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in socialism there is also capitalism, there was hate between socialists and nonsocialists because of the controll of the accepted financial system

people never get enough money and power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_ruble

capitalism is root of evil and good, but capitalism divides society in poor and rich.

those around the issuing financial centre are the winners and kings,

those financially illeterate are the labour gulag

in the usa these people are the rednecks the white trash and the hut rats.

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May 11, 2019, 06:51:32 PM
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Well the society have always been about class struggle and both socialism and capitalism are one coin with two faces it all about name and if you look critically you will know that the nature of capitalism is about ownership of property and socialist is also with the same ideology but just that citizens owns the means of production.

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May 16, 2019, 02:39:46 AM
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I'll leave this here even though anyone who believes in actual research already rejects capitalism.

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countries at similar levels of economic development, socialist countries showed more favorable PQL (physical quality of life) outcomes.
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