The permission of owning more than one account

[Perfectbaby]

On a second thought, it feels stupid having other accounts when I know numerous accounts of one user still serves the same when talked about communications with other users. But why would the forum have this permission in the first place because I think this has lead to so many dormant accounts as the user (s) of multiple accounts lather finds it useless leading to dump of the other accounts.

There is no penalty in having alt but it's also advisable not to cheat with them for any reason, if you can obey these rules then there nothing wrong with having alt.
1- No merits sharing between them
2- Do not enroll your alt in same campaign
3- Do not enroll your alt with same contest to cheat.
4- Do not use your alt to spam or shitposter in same topic or threads.
5- If any of your account get ban then there's likelihood for remaining to be ban.

When you avoid all these then you are free to use your account on the forum without any problem.

[Cryptohygenic]

I don't mind allowing more than one account, but I would limit it to a maximum of two accounts. I think a person can have two accounts because in the second one he expresses political opinions that he does not express in the first one, as in the typical example of theymos. Also if it is to monetize them, since signature campaigns are allowed and give a lot of life to the forum it seems to me that a person can have two accounts and monetize them by bringing constructiveness and quality to the forum. But the cases of many accounts that have been discovered are always linked to farms, merit exchanges and breaking the rules in general. It seems absurd to me that one person is allowed to have 5, 10 or 1,000 accounts.

Another thing is how this could be enforced.

Oh that is nice and I  am begining to get convinced with some vital reasons of having another account which Is basically as you have elaborated about in the case of responding to the forum specifically on the subsection differences based on desires.
Okay it is like growing an urge of professionalism which can be followed serially like maybe using one account for economy and society discussions while other to grow my interest on bitcoin and the Cryptocurrencies as my journey of being here implies.
That is also a good initiative as it would be a strategy to get concentrated without diversifying my objective since the forum is being too broad with the subsection with it parted area of discussion.
So I have got no reason throwing stones one those having more than one account as long they are not cheating with them.
Thanks everyone with your contributions but  I am not thinking of having another yet.

[apogio]

After everyone finished declaring all their alts, can we start KYC in the forum?

If we do, it will be a good time to leave the forum.
I never suggested doing KYC in the forum, so your question, even though I get it, is not even close to what I said.

That's the point.  Sometimes the mere truth is offensive.  To know who's controlling the narrative you only need to learn who you're not allowed to criticize.

I disagree fundamentally, because even if the truth is offensive, I prefer staying polite and civilised.



Guys, there is no reason to try to convince me... I will always have my personal account and I won't hide behind any alt. Having an alt account is normal, but I don't think it's normal that the same person will have different opinions depending on which account they 're logged in with.

So, if I had two accounts "apogio" and "oigopa", it would be strange to express different opinions with these 2. Nobody would know that I was the same person, but I think you get my point.

Finally, to conclude, anyone is free to create as many alts as they want (I allow it, despite being Mussolini - like tainted_love said)  and I have the freedom to use my own account and fight to keep it safe, secured and private (without KYC - like uchegod-21 said).

[LoyceV]

Guys, there is no reason to try to convince me...

I'll do it anyway I feel offended when someone is afraid to be offensive, because that basically means you're censoring yourself out of fear for someone else's made-up feelings. My 2019-post still applies:

Just recently, I saw several posts saying: "I hope I'm not offending anyone", and it's been on my mind for a while now.

I only recently realized why this is so common in English. In Dutch, "offended" and "insulted" are the same word ("beledigd"). But lately, it seems like people treat the word "offending" as if it's "insulting".
I'd say insulting isn't needed and makes you look bad, but being offended is a choice of the receiver, and honestly I'm offended by people who want to limit their own freedom of speech out of fear that someone might get his feelings hurt on the internet! Oh noes!

It's okay to offended people! Offensive jokes are often funny. Don't let SJW decide what you're allowed to say or even think!

Trying to be nice doesn't hurt you, but don't let someone's made up feelings stop you from speaking your mind.

That's the point.  Sometimes the mere truth is offensive.  To know who's controlling the narrative you only need to learn who you're not allowed to criticize.

I disagree fundamentally, because even if the truth is offensive, I prefer staying polite and civilised.

So you'd rather lie to be polite? Allow me to post Rowan Atkinson on free speech and Steve Huges... Offended? again. I couldn't agree more with them!

[Free Market Capitalist]

So, if I had two accounts "apogio" and "oigopa", it would be strange to express different opinions with these 2. Nobody would know that I was the same person, but I think you get my point.

But you could have two accounts, “apogio” and “cryoxxx” in which in one you say your political opinions and in the other you don't. If I were to start another account now, I would not tell anyone and I would be politically neutral, unlike this one. It is not uncommon that when someone crosses you for having a different political opinion than yours, he stops giving you merits, or gives them to you in dribs and drabs, unlike before when he had not yet realized how you thought. If you want to climb ranks with the second account it is better like that.

[Alone055]

So, if I had two accounts "apogio" and "oigopa", it would be strange to express different opinions with these 2. Nobody would know that I was the same person, but I think you get my point.

You might find that strange, but for me, it's rather a privilege. You know, there are millions of people in the world who keep a lot of things inside of them instead of letting them out only because they fear they might get targeted for being too blunt and telling the truth about certain people and things on their faces, which might offend them. I won't give examples of other people; I myself have a lot of emotions and feelings and things that I can't say to certain people because even though I know what I want to say is right, it might not be very pleasant for the other party and might cause unnecessary problems that I don't want to deal with.

So, if there was a way for those of us who want to express our feelings with freedom instead of thinking about the possible negative consequences, we would be more than happy, and this privilege is available to us in this forum.

I know you might not agree, but that's fair because we humans aren't always supposed to have similar thoughts about certain things.

[apogio]

So you'd rather lie to be polite? Allow me to post Rowan Atkinson on free speech and Steve Huges... Offended? again. I couldn't agree more with them!

Definitely not! When I say offensive, I mean "insulting" and "swearing". English is not my native language, so there is always a chance I don't express myself clearly.

So, if there was a way for those of us who want to express our feelings with freedom instead of thinking about the possible negative consequences, we would be more than happy, and this privilege is available to us in this forum.

I know you might not agree, but that's fair because we humans aren't always supposed to have similar thoughts about certain things.

I understand exactly what you 're saying and it's an honest opinion. I just feel that I can express myself through my account, freely and without worrying.

But you could have two accounts, “apogio” and “cryoxxx” in which in one you say your political opinions and in the other you don't. If I were to start another account now, I would not tell anyone and I would be politically neutral, unlike this one. It is not uncommon that when someone crosses you for having a different political opinion than yours, he stops giving you merits, or gives them to you in dribs and drabs, unlike before when he had not yet realized how you thought. If you want to climb ranks with the second account it is better like that.

That's a fair argument. I get it.


May I explain myself in bullets? To make things clearer for everyone.

1. Nobody should worry about expressing themselves through their first account.
2. Nobody should swear or insult anyone. *
3. We should be polite, expressing different arguments. *
4. Creating alt accounts for me leads to essentially being worried to express ourselves freely. We can't be liked by everyone. We should be ok with that. **

*
(2) & (3) are fundamentally different as in:
- I hope you die for believing this bullshit.
- I disagree with you and I can't understand how you think this way.

I can hear the argument that swearing is freedom of speech, but I will definitely disagree and I don't think I can change my mind on this.

**
This argument can be transposed and one could say that creating alt accounts leads to being free to discuss.
The reason why I disagree is because I want people to talk freely.
But I realise that since we 're just digital personas here, this isn't the same as speaking with true identities.

[Alone055]

May I explain myself in bullets? To make things clearer for everyone.

1. Nobody should worry about expressing themselves through their first account.
2. Nobody should swear or insult anyone. *
3. We should be polite, expressing different arguments. *
4. Creating alt accounts for me leads to essentially being worried to express ourselves freely. We can't be liked by everyone. We should be ok with that. **

*
(2) & (3) are fundamentally different as in:
- I hope you die for believing this bullshit.
- I disagree with you and I can't understand how you think this way.

I can hear the argument that swearing is freedom of speech, but I will definitely disagree and I don't think I can change my mind on this.

**
This argument can be transposed and one could say that creating alt accounts leads to being free to discuss.
The reason why I disagree is because I want people to talk freely.
But I realise that since we 're just digital personas here, this isn't the same as speaking with true identities.

Your points are valid, and I don't disagree with them at all, but I believe we are talking about different things here. You see, disagreement in a general discussion or even in a heated argument is something different, but taking a side or maybe proving someone wrong with valid arguments and even proofs is a different thing.

Imagine there are two people with good reputations and influence in the community having a beef, a heated argument, etc. You are watching everything, checking everything said and put out in there. Now, you might have some points that are valid and should be thrown in, or maybe something that proves one of them wrong, which might be the right thing to do, but since both of them have good influence and power in the community, you might fear getting targeted for your actions either directly or indirectly.

So, in such a situation, you would rather want to be politically balanced and keep yourself out of it to protect yourself, but what if there was a way for you to be able to do what you want to do without being worried about the possible consequences? That's where alt accounts come in handy.

[LoyceV]

Definitely not! When I say offensive, I mean "insulting" and "swearing". English is not my native language, so there is always a chance I don't express myself clearly.

All those things are subjective. What's offensive to you may not be offensive to me, and worse than that, it's a made-up emotion. Fucking swearing for some people if just the way they fucking talk, and some people turned it into a fucking art form (see what I did there?). And even if you try not to be insulting, someone else might be insulted by it anyway. That's okay You don't have to talk like Huge Black Woman in an alt account, and you certainly don't have to create an alt just for the purpose of being offensive. But if you live in China Russia England and want to disagree with government policies online, you'd better make sure nobody knows who you are!

[Mrbluntzy]

The forum is not actually against alt accounts however the forum frowns at alt accounts. Basically if you disclose your alt accounts then you are actually transparent and not trying to cheat. On the contrary those that don't publicly disclose their alt accounts are actually looking to cheat in signature campaigns and contests.

So, what if a member have a second account but did not publicly announce on the forum that the account belongs to them and they also do not cheat with the account and don't have intentions to cheat with the account but for their own best reasons, they don't just want to publicly announce it, what would be the consequences if it's is noticed?

[Mia Chloe]

So, what if a member have a second account but did not publicly announce on the forum that the account belongs to them and they also do not cheat with the account and don't have intentions to cheat with the account but for their own best reasons, they don't just want to publicly announce it, what would be the consequences if it's is noticed?

Consequences.... Well if you ask me the forum isn't like some sort of school system where you get punished if you do wrong. However that doesn't mean that cheating will be overlooked all the time.  Basically if you scam or have made use of them to cheat in any way in the past which has a high chance of occuring then you will likely get tagged.

Nevertheless I've seen a couple of cases too where users got tagged for having ALTs and it's always because they hid it so long and most times had both accounts in different signature campaigns or worse  both.

[Mpamaegbu]

~snipped~.

Trust me, I can easily tell that some accounts are alts. But no evidence that can make people consider my observation to be correct.

If that's your way of sniffing out alts, then a lot of innocent newbies who post real good are likely going to be wrongly implicated. Are you ruling out the possibility that there are unregistered folks who lurked here for several years before they finally took that bold step of opening their accounts? With folks like that, you think they wouldn't know much about the forum?

~snipped~

Why am I not surprised in the least? Guys like this are too cowardly to confront matters with their main accounts and feel it's okay to attack others with the alt so that way nothing gets linked to their original accounts as you pointed out.

That's why we often see accounts we think aren't related spring up during altercations to serve an attack dogs, and you would wonder where that's coming from. With a discerning mind, you should connect the dots whenever that happens.

[Cryptohygenic]

The forum is not actually against alt accounts however the forum frowns at alt accounts. Basically if you disclose your alt accounts then you are actually transparent and not trying to cheat. On the contrary those that don't publicly disclose their alt accounts are actually looking to cheat in signature campaigns and contests.

So, what if a member have a second account but did not publicly announce on the forum that the account belongs to them and they also do not cheat with the account and don't have intentions to cheat with the account but for their own best reasons, they don't just want to publicly announce it, what would be the consequences if it's is noticed?

So far so good as I have read through the higher ranks posts in compliance to the post, it tells having other accounts is okay but what is not okay is catching your accounts up cheating.
Penalty for cheating is only passable for judgements when it is made obvious that a single user is actually owned the other accounts.
So without a proof there is no other accounts so if you can not make this proof there is no penalty.