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October 15, 2018, 05:13:31 AM
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CNN released a poll a few days ago that has Joe Biden favored to win the nomination at 33%, followed by Bernie Sanders at 13% and Warren at 9%.

I can see someone like Creepy Porn Lawyer doing something stupid like running as a third party and effectively removing any chance of Trump not getting reelected.

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October 15, 2018, 12:59:03 PM
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CNN released a poll a few days ago that has Joe Biden favored to win the nomination at 33%, followed by Bernie Sanders at 13% and Warren at 9%.

Biden would do very well against Trump if he still has enough energy at his age. (He's only 3 years older than Trump, but he looks/acts far older.) Biden isn't stained quite as much by the insane parts of the Democratic party, and he knows how to punch back without looking as crazy as Trump sometimes does. IMO Biden could win a decent chunk of the Republican base from Trump.

I don't think that the Democratic establishment will ever let Sanders win the primary, and I suspect that he couldn't win against Trump, though maybe he'd have a better chance than Cory Booker or Kamala Harris. Warren couldn't win.

I can see someone like Creepy Porn Lawyer doing something stupid like running as a third party and effectively removing any chance of Trump not getting reelected.

That'd be pretty funny, but it could also happen on the other side. Several Republicans are already calling for a primary challenge, and when they lose, they might take it as far as going independent. Jeff Flake even said that he'd prefer a Democrat over Trump in 2020. It's a huge ordeal to get on the ballot in even one state, but they could target just a few swing states with the specific goal of derailing Trump. I wonder if they're already setting up for it (maybe indicated by public records).

It'd be interesting if we had a third party win electoral votes. I've always wanted to see congress pick the president.

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October 16, 2018, 02:09:20 PM
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I am just glad it won't be Hillary. She tried playing the feminist card, but her personal choices showed she does not mind if she is disrespected by men (meaning her own husband). Her actions didn't seem to match her words.
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I am just glad it won't be Hillary. She tried playing the feminist card, but her personal choices showed she does not mind if she is disrespected by men (meaning her own husband). Her actions didn't seem to match her words.

Hilary is a hypocritical twat and the interview with her and her sexual predator husband last night made me want to puke.  How she can defend her husband by saying Lewenski was an adult is stupid.  Bill used his power to prey on the women her age is fucking irrelevant unless she was a minor which no one ever claimed.  Not to mention Lewinski wasn't the only victim of her husband.

I can't respect a women that stands by her predator husband and then condemns all the other powerful predators and saying women should be heard etc etc.

In terms of morals when it comes to sexual misconduct I personally can't see a whole lot of difference between Bill and Donald but Hilary can justify a difference.

TBH I can see why centre leftist were be turned off by Hilary (even though she won the PV)

Hilary would IMO be the worst possible candidate for the dems in 2020.  The dems need a younger (say early 50's) charismatic candidate that can win in the centre of the fucking country.

I think Beto just might put his name in the ring, but I just don't know if he has enough popularity outside Texas to make a real run.

God I hope Warren doesn't win the nom, she seems like a fucking train wreck.

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October 16, 2018, 10:33:55 PM
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CNN released a poll a few days ago that has Joe Biden favored to win the nomination at 33%, followed by Bernie Sanders at 13% and Warren at 9%.

Biden would do very well against Trump if he still has enough energy at his age. (He's only 3 years older than Trump, but he looks/acts far older.) Biden isn't stained quite as much by the insane parts of the Democratic party, and he knows how to punch back without looking as crazy as Trump sometimes does. IMO Biden could win a decent chunk of the Republican base from Trump.
Some political pundits have said that Biden is the only democrat who could potentially defeat Trump in 2020. He is probably moderate enough to win the general election, although post 2016, the Democratic Party has moved fairly sharply to the left and might not be able to win the nomination. The fact that he was Obama’s VP in 2016 may raise questions about his involvement in the spying on the Trump campaign in 2016, and even if he was not involved, it may bring up unflattering things about the Obama administration.

I would hope that Democrats have learned their lesson regarding essentially rigging who wins the nomination.

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I can see someone like Creepy Porn Lawyer doing something stupid like running as a third party and effectively removing any chance of Trump not getting reelected.

That'd be pretty funny, but it could also happen on the other side. Several Republicans are already calling for a primary challenge, and when they lose, they might take it as far as going independent. Jeff Flake even said that he'd prefer a Democrat over Trump in 2020. It's a huge ordeal to get on the ballot in even one state, but they could target just a few swing states with the specific goal of derailing Trump. I wonder if they're already setting up for it (maybe indicated by public records).
I would be surprised to see a republican run as a third party absent some major scandal regarding Trump that has actual substance. Flake isn’t running for reelection in part because his stance against Trump makes him unable to win an election in Arizona. I would also be surprised to see him run in a situation that would effectively guarantee someone with some kind of a socialist platform becoming president, which is virtually guaranteed based on the current Democratic Party.

If Flake, or another republican had already set up a formal campaign (or a PAC), it would be a matter of public record, and would make the news, which I haven’t seen.

If the Democrats have another what some believe to be an unfair primary process, we may see a third party democrat run. Some have also said that the Creepy porn lawyer is a republican plant, and if this is true, he will run as a third party (he may also otherwise run).

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It'd be interesting if we had a third party win electoral votes. I've always wanted to see congress pick the president.
Trump could have won with some third party winning a few small states in 2016, and the same is true in both of Obama elections and Bushs 2004 election (and others). I suspect that a political party (and voters) will generally rally around a single candidate, even if not their nominee. If voters believe the president will be chosen by congress they may vote in smaller numbers if they would otherwise vote for that party, so the party that only has one nominee may win states the other party would otherwise win.

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November 05, 2018, 01:20:00 PM
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Oprah/Beto 2020

I'm not entirely sure that is the best thing for the US but shit it could be a really strong counter to Trump.

Oprah has repeatedly said she's not running but I wonder if she will hit her breaking point in the next couple of years and say fuck it no more Trump.

I wish Bernie was a little more charismatic cause I kinda like his policies.

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I am outsider so don't know much about US politics but it seems like you guys can add one more name in that list or in your discussion just for fun? John Macfee, he recently gave an interview and said that he may be bid for US presidency with one intention promoting crypto.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/i-dont-want-to-be-president-john-mcaffee-to-exclusively-promote-crypto-in-2020-race


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I am outsider so don't know much about US politics but it seems like you guys can add one more name in that list or in your discussion just for fun? John Macfee, he recently gave an interview and said that he may be bid for US presidency with one intention promoting crypto.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/i-dont-want-to-be-president-john-mcaffee-to-exclusively-promote-crypto-in-2020-race

I'd normally consider John McAfee a libertarian. I'm pretty sure he's anti-trump and anti-fascist. It'd be nice to be shifted a bit more libertarian for a couple years.

To be honest, I'd have to have a chat with the guy to vote for the guy in this case.

Oh, he's onto something;

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While pondering this, I remembered that Trump, in 2013, almost proudly stated that he rarely writes emails.

My initial impression on hearing this proclamation was that Trump was in the vanguard of those "super technologists" who are slowly abandoning emails as too slow and cumbersome and whose text messages and tweets are masterful creations of compacted characters.

But I fear I was wrong.

Our military, industrial, social and cultural worlds would not exist today were it not for the billions of computing devices that monitor and control everything from food production and distribution to our buying of socks, shoes and televisions. The electricity that powers our homes is produced and distributed entirely under automated control. Our emergency services could not function without these computing devices, neither our police forces or even our automobiles. We are fully submersed in the digital age.

In addition, most cyber security experts agree that there is an imminent cyber war on the horizon.

Given this reality, technological illiteracy should be viewed in the same light as an inability to read and write in the world of 50 years ago.

I am running for the Libertarian Party's nomination for president in 2016. If I were to tell you that I could neither read nor write, but that I would hire advisors who would explain words to me, would you vote for me?
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Oprah/Obama 2020

Now that would drive the republican voters over the edge hehe!

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November 06, 2018, 11:22:53 AM
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Oprah/Obama 2020

Now that would drive the republican voters over the edge hehe!

I'm not sure that a two-term president can be chosen as vice president. Assuming the president has issues, that'd violate the two term clause.

So, I highly doubt Obama will run as a VP, but I could be wrong here.
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Oprah/Obama 2020

Now that would drive the republican voters over the edge hehe!

I'm not sure that a two-term president can be chosen as vice president. Assuming the president has issues, that'd violate the two term clause.

So, I highly doubt Obama will run as a VP, but I could be wrong here.

Michelle, not Barack!

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Oprah/Obama 2020

Now that would drive the republican voters over the edge hehe!

I'm not sure that a two-term president can be chosen as vice president. Assuming the president has issues, that'd violate the two term clause.

So, I highly doubt Obama will run as a VP, but I could be wrong here.

Michelle, not Barack!

Ah. I didn't think that Michelle was into politics. I thought she was more of a societal figure.

Valid point though, would be interesting to see two ladies running for the position.
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November 08, 2018, 02:37:47 PM
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Oprah/Obama 2020

Now that would drive the republican voters over the edge hehe!

I'm not sure that a two-term president can be chosen as vice president. Assuming the president has issues, that'd violate the two term clause.

So, I highly doubt Obama will run as a VP, but I could be wrong here.

Michelle, not Barack!

Ah. I didn't think that Michelle was into politics. I thought she was more of a societal figure.

Valid point though, would be interesting to see two ladies running for the position.

I don't really think she is, I would be surprised to hell if those 2 ended up on any ticket hehe.  It was more for a laugh!

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November 10, 2018, 12:39:11 AM
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Sanders still isn't dead. He might have a running chance.  Roll Eyes
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November 10, 2018, 12:46:23 AM
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Sanders still isn't dead. He might have a running chance.  Roll Eyes

I don't want him to run. He isn't really a democrat. I really don't want to help pay for everyone's free college education.  Angry He's way too far to the left for me.

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November 10, 2018, 01:11:06 AM
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Sanders still isn't dead. He might have a running chance.  Roll Eyes

I don't want him to run. He isn't really a democrat. I really don't want to help pay for everyone's free college education.  Angry He's way too far to the left for me.

Where do you stand as a democrat? Universal health care is pretty awesome, subsidizing education isn't a bad thing either.

There's some studies on economic growth, which is a good thing in my opinion; but I'd like to see the actual costs. I don't think handing schools more money really helps, I think there's programs to help young adults, but I'm curious to see more older adults go back to school for actual studying, not just societally bullshit. Like more hard science middle-age adults means more innovation in the aging workplace.

Tradition needs to change, and middle age adults are that link between "how things were" and "how things probably should be".

I do think that we're absolutely disproportionate "ruled" in a political system by old people. It sucks that the majority of people there are over the age of 60... do you really think 60+ year olds should be setting the rules?
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November 10, 2018, 01:43:57 AM
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Where do you stand as a democrat? Universal health care is pretty awesome, subsidizing education isn't a bad thing either.

There's some studies on economic growth, which is a good thing in my opinion; but I'd like to see the actual costs. I don't think handing schools more money really helps, I think there's programs to help young adults, but I'm curious to see more older adults go back to school for actual studying, not just societally bullshit. Like more hard science middle-age adults means more innovation in the aging workplace.

Tradition needs to change, and middle age adults are that link between "how things were" and "how things probably should be".

I do think that we're absolutely disproportionate "ruled" in a political system by old people. It sucks that the majority of people there are over the age of 60... do you really think 60+ year olds should be setting the rules?

     I think if the government can run a program similar to Medicare, that would be good. This will include the option for people to enroll in an "advantage" program. (Medicare part C.) They can opt to have a private insurance company handle it for them and give them different benefits if they so desire.  The reason that I believe in some form of socialized medicine is because it will probably be a necessary cost for practically everyone. Furthermore, when the major consumers are the sick and the dying, it's hard to make a free market that is trying to eke out a profit. In the past, the churches used to run the hospitals as charity.  
     I think part of the problem with higher education is that the government is in the business of backing student loans. I'm not certain that I want the government to offer free higher education either. Not everyone wants or needs a higher education. I don't think we need to socialize that cost.
    I really would like to see even more younger people involved in the Government. As long as they are qualified.

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November 10, 2018, 06:05:37 AM
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Oprah/[...] 2020


I don’t think Oprah could get elected. She is widey popular, however she has made mistakes in the past in terms of what she pushed in her show. There is more than enough dirt on her that can be found on the archives of her show and it would be easy to get many people to see these clips.

She probably also wouldn’t be able to run as a candidate who can energize her base enough to have a real shot of winning.

Also, identity politics is diminishing with the advent of Trump as his approval from blacks and other minorities is much higher than any other Republican in recent history.

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    I think part of the problem with higher education is that the government is in the business of backing student loans. I'm not certain that I want the government to offer free higher education either. Not everyone wants or needs a higher education. I don't think we need to socialize that cost.
    I really would like to see even more younger people involved in the Government. As long as they are qualified.

I think as we see more menial labor automated, there's going to be less of a demand for uneducated citizens. A few decades from now will look entirely different than now.

Oprah/[...] 2020


I don’t think Oprah could get elected. She is widey popular, however she has made mistakes in the past in terms of what she pushed in her show. There is more than enough dirt on her that can be found on the archives of her show and it would be easy to get many people to see these clips.

She probably also wouldn’t be able to run as a candidate who can energize her base enough to have a real shot of winning.

Also, identity politics is diminishing with the advent of Trump as his approval from blacks and other minorities is much higher than any other Republican in recent history.

You'd think the same thing about Trump, but obviously he won the nomination. I don't think people really care how shitty politicians are "because they all are liars and cheats" and it's way more about name recognition for the presidency.

The average citizen isn't really educated in political science.

It's crazy to see so many people vote against their individual interests because specific rhetoric that seems to apply to them.
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November 11, 2018, 12:43:19 PM
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Oprah. Please. Politics is not showbusiness. Just because US people fell for a reality show lunatic once, it doesn't mean a talk show star should run for president now.

What US should do is get serious and elect a freaking stable, credible and intelligent president that will be taken seriously and deserves respect.
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