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October 19, 2018, 03:21:38 PM
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This is too simple for my idea.
My ideas is, once you go to a gambling site, deposit your money and place a bet, you don't go "ah well, that's that let's just move back to normality"... You keep gambling (sure you might have a stop win and a stop loss but inevitably you will probably go back to the site and keep gambling).
Go back to the 1000 users of my example, and for simplicity I'll make it 1024 users with 0% house edge. Assume they have a perfect distribution of winning and losing, and they keep playing "double or nothing"!
This is what happens:
Round 1: 512 winners (2 BTC each), 512 losers (0 BTC each).
Round 2: 256 winners (4 BTC each), 256 losers (0 BTC each).
Round 3: you get the point Cheesy
.......
Round 10: 1 winner (1024 BTC), all others lost all their money.

Now remember, this was at 0% house edge.
In reality: If the casino has a 1% house edge, it takes 1% of the total wagered amount on each bet. That means, each round, the total balance owned by all remaining players gets slightly lower.
Now imagine a casino with negative house edge, that means the total players' balance increases with each bet they place. It doesn't matter if players are greedy or not: bad luck can bankrupt them instantly, and good luck can multiply their balance a thousand times or more. That can happen with a positive or negative house edge.
A player winning a lot isn't a problem to the casino, as long as the house wins on average. For that, it has a house edge Smiley

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October 19, 2018, 04:41:50 PM
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I'm currently thinking that if someone made a dice site and had it to have a -1% house edge it could still be profitible.

When people gamble, they're either aggressive gamblers or gamblers for fun (a few botters but not so many). If there was a -1% house edge, this would attract people to your casino and they would usually get addicted to it or they'd not deposit more than they could lose. Things like the martingale strategy would still have a similar likelihood of failing too.

Am I confusing something here or is this correct?
How ? How would a casino with negative house edge could theoretically win money ?

There is literally zero chance of a casino making any money if they have negative house edge, hell even at zero house edge it is a big risk and you are betting for the fact that the casino is luckier than the gamblers, this is for zero house edge that has high risk, think of negative, it is impossible for a casino to stay open longer than one month because all the people with huge amounts will keep gambling there until they hit that house edge and make profit.

You are basically running a faucet, an expensive and big faucet for people with money. Mathematically you would be leaking money depending on how much wagering there is. Good thing is, you will definitely have the highest wagered amount in no time because people will definitely come there to gamble and make money.
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October 19, 2018, 04:54:21 PM
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I'm currently thinking that if someone made a dice site and had it to have a -1% house edge it could still be profitible.

When people gamble, they're either aggressive gamblers or gamblers for fun (a few botters but not so many). If there was a -1% house edge, this would attract people to your casino and they would usually get addicted to it or they'd not deposit more than they could lose. Things like the martingale strategy would still have a similar likelihood of failing too.

Am I confusing something here or is this correct?
Outcome on most gamblers will be just the same no matter on what would be the house edge is but profiting is indeed possible with some gamblers tending to make advantage on that
-HE of 1%. Utilizing such percentage to make few rolls to earn profits and who the hell will create such gambling business with that house edge.We have seen lots of it ranging 0.8-1% common nowadays
and i can think that some owner will consider that -HE.

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October 19, 2018, 05:41:26 PM
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This is too simple for my idea.
My ideas is, once you go to a gambling site, deposit your money and place a bet, you don't go "ah well, that's that let's just move back to normality"... You keep gambling (sure you might have a stop win and a stop loss but inevitably you will probably go back to the site and keep gambling).
Go back to the 1000 users, and for simplicity I'll make it 1024 users with 0% house edge. Assume they have a perfect distribution of winning and losing, and they keep playing "double or nothing"!
This is what happens:
Round 1: 512 winners (2 BTC each), 512 losers (0 BTC each).
Round 2: 256 winners (4 BTC each), 256 losers (0 BTC each).
Round 3: you get the point Cheesy
.......
Round 10: 1 winner (1024 BTC), all others lost all their money..

This is very linear though and almost impossible to happen without some sort of scatter.
The idea that that one person could also go on to lose that 1024BTC if indedd they did earn that and didn't go and bet each time and lose at some due to scatter...

And once they turned their 1BTC into 1024BTC maybe they'll keep  gamblig on a martingale with 1BTC and end up profiting at the start but inevitably probably losing everything trhey've earnt on the site...
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