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October 21, 2018, 10:51:08 PM
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LoyceV also complained about not getting the max points, so I don't really know if someone got 400 airdropped sMerit at all.

Uhm, strange since theymos wrote about the 400 sMerit thing.
Could be an unexpected bug?
If the formula is correct the right deduction is that the activity for 1 or more weeks is missing, due to deleted posts/threads.

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October 21, 2018, 11:10:34 PM
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Is possible that are you remembering wrong or are you 100% sure about it?

I'm 100% sure I got only 200.

Uhm, strange since theymos wrote about the 400 sMerit thing.
Could be an unexpected bug?
If the formula is correct the right deduction is that the activity for 1 or more weeks is missing, due to deleted posts/threads.

Impossible, I certainly didn't have that many deleted posts.

I think the sMerit airdrop was simply halved for everyone.

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October 22, 2018, 06:00:46 AM
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There is another thread about it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4883843.msg44003797#msg44003797
It will better if you use search button before posting. Theymos not yet think about decay merit. There is enough merit source to genarate smerits. I think we should take rest few days before suggest about new merit system.

Problem is most of airdrop merit goes to bounty hunters and they never care about it. They are busy with hunting. They just need keep current rank. So decay or return isn't much worthy since there is merit source. But it's true that they are not respecting the system.

Although topic has been hijacked by legendary members diverting from my initial intention of writing, Coolcryptovator, you topic is asking Theymos "What about that user who never used initial smerit his lifetime" while mine is talking about "Unused smerits shouldn't be destroyed but sent to merit sources  after 1 month"
Although we used similar lines mine is an upgrade focusing more on recycling the unused smerits forum users hoarding instead of destroying them as seen in my concluding paragraph.

"In conclusion, I feel the decay of unused smerits law should be implemented sooner and unused smerits should not be decayed /destroyed but instead recycled by sending them to merit sources to continue in their selfless service to the forum. And the duration for these smerits to be labeled unused should be 1months to keep the community members engaged."

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October 22, 2018, 06:10:44 AM
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"In conclusion, I feel the decay of unused smerits law should be implemented sooner and unused smerits should not be decayed /destroyed but instead recycled by sending them to merit sources to continue in their selfless service to the forum. And the duration for these smerits to be labeled unused should be 1months to keep the community members engaged."

Why are so many talking about this idea of recycling sMerit?
This is a forum, sMerits can be created with a click of a button, they are not like aluminum cans or plastic bottles or some hard to find metal, you don't have to get unspent Smerit back and give it to sources, it's not polluting the water or the air staying there in their profile.

If theymos feels like more Smerit is needed he can easily increase both the number of sMerit sources and their allowance he can double or triple or whatever the amount without introducing decay.

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October 22, 2018, 06:26:34 AM
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Instead of recycling sMerits, lets recycle the members who are incapable of making meritable posts.

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October 22, 2018, 06:32:15 AM
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Why are so many talking about this idea of recycling sMerit?
This is a forum, sMerits can be created with a click of a button, they are not like aluminum cans or plastic bottles or some hard to find metal, you don't have to get unspent Smerit back and give it to sources, it's not polluting the water or the air staying there in their profile.
Thanks for the clarification, although I think the little things we see affect us subconsciously. In the spirit of recycling, I believe when users of forum sees that unused smerit are been recycled subconsciously it may affect their way of reasoning towards the whole recycling (climate change) debate. Many users spend hours on forum so staffs of forum can use that as an advantage towards educating its user about the impact of human activities to the environment. A simple recycling of unused smerits may go along way as user get used to hearing the word daily if implemented.
It may make no sense to you but as an environmental activist, I try my best to use any available tool to my advantage towards educating the generally public.

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October 22, 2018, 07:45:20 AM
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Not all recycling is good. Since the ban on burning stubble after harvesting, we see that crop disease is being recycled, and chemicals are being used to try to block it. This results in poisons being added to the food chain. Fire is one of nature's way to purge disease, "environmentalists" do a great deal of damage to the environment by trying to ban it.

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October 22, 2018, 07:51:50 AM
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I recycle as much as I can, but sMerits coming into the equation is a completely new dimension to the problem … Actually, even wanting to compare sMerit recycling to real life recycling needs seems to be only as a wishful thinking marketing stunt at best. There are no physical nor ecological features related to sMerits (except for the electricity we spend while being connected to the forum).

Back to the ideas presented in the OP, I was in favour of something similar at some point, but on afterthoughts, there is not that much point to it, unless we want to reduce the risk of stale sMerit resurfacing at some point for purposes other than intended (i.e. merit merit trade or account password hacking leading to merit abuse). SMerit can be generated in an effortless manner if considered necessary (by @theymos), and in my opinion needs to be guided by two core parameters which I reiterate here:

- Getting more eyes on the field (making it easier for decent posts to be spotted and merited). 
- Increasing the amount of sMerit per Tx on the whole (in order for the ranking process to be kind of on par to the expected pace for those that do create decent content).

The OP proposal does not comply with the former, and that is one of the key important factors to consider.

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October 22, 2018, 07:59:17 AM
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Well I do agree that sMerits on sold accounts should be burnt, but I'm not sure how that could be managed.

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Back to the ideas presented in the OP, I was in favour of something similar at some point, but on afterthoughts, there is not that much point to it, unless we want to reduce the risk of stale sMerit resurfacing at some point for purposes other than intended (i.e. merit merit trade or account password hacking leading to merit abuse).

Well, we did have a situation like this when the 1 Merit requirement was added and suddenly a lot of dormant or red-tagged accounts remembered they have merit to give and were pretty generous to demoted junior members. It would have interesting to see how this would have worked without the tons of airdropped merit still floating around, and maybe a new 2 merit limits would give us a better picture of the newbie revolution.

By now, a lot of the air-dropped merit is gone, more and more gets locked in banned accounts so the only possibility left for this scenario would be hacked accounts, but I think those are a negligible number and even so, probably hackers will sell that merit as soon as they get their hands on that account not wait for months and thus escape the decay feature.

Thanks for the clarification, although I think the little things we see affect us subconsciously. In the spirit of recycling, I believe when users of forum sees that unused smerit are been recycled subconsciously it may affect their way of reasoning towards the whole recycling (climate change) debate.

So, are you trying to get us brainwashed?  Grin Grin Grin

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October 22, 2018, 03:05:56 PM
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Each time i merit a user for their contribution to forum, I notice this message "There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future. But what surprises me is some user still ignores this message, keeping the smerits they received as a trophy to themselves.
In the course of the new forum rules all know with Merit Point requirements in increasing levels with different number of activities, so I will answer a little about the question: (CryptopreneurBrainboss) which concerns sMerit (Merit).

So in this case several questions arise:
<> There is no point in hoarding (sMerit).
<> When giving (sMerit) to other members, can our Merit be less?
Answer: No.

<> Collected (sMerit)?
Every time gives 1 Merit from another member, we get 0.5 (sMerit). If you have 0.5 (sMerit) you can't give Merit to other members, surely?
Actually you have to get another 0.5 (sMerit) to be enough, so at least 1 Merit can be given.

<> for example I want to collect (sMerit) do not want to give to other members?
Answer:
It is certain: There is no point in hoarding (sMerit), keeping it alone does not benefit you, and we have the right to rot the unused sosit in the future.

<> Well, if there is a post that can merit then it is erased. What about Merit.
Answer: it remains intact Merit is eternal.

For that (sMerit) is a Merit given to other Bitcointalk members who have achievements. So it's easy to know (sMeritt) that is in us. Can take this link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit

The conclusion of the topic question, maybe in the giving (sMerit) by the forum automatically, I think it's a bit heavy because it is individual post per post, so Hopefully? for the future all members are not heavy to give merit to other bitcointalk members if they find posts of other members who are useful.


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October 22, 2018, 03:11:53 PM
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I do not think that it will going to happen recycling unsused smerits to be sent back to merit sources. It will be a lot of work besides theymos is only a one man show here in the forum. Expect less reply with the admin and expect less.

Merit source should consider not giving or rewarding merits to legendary account. Legendary rank is already the highest form of rank in the forum and the merit being given is useless instead they should choose newbie's in the forum. Merit source should go down with his/her standards and put his/her shoe on newbies on how one could earn merit if they were newbie.

A newbie is a newbie and greater percentage that it could not get merit unless if one is already a former member or user in this forum and just having a comeback by creating a new account.
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Well I do agree that sMerits on sold accounts should be burnt, but I'm not sure how that could be managed.

Going that way we should also burn merits on sold accounts Wink

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October 22, 2018, 03:45:34 PM
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So how does all these relate to my topic been discuss above? If you have no idea or nothing to say don't just reply for bounty seek and slow down with the whole bold letters design in different colours thing. You must not comment on every discussion you come across on forum. If it's merit you're looking for, do more of reading then seeking. And read through this
I chatted with a senior member of this forum after I notice almost all his posts or comments he made got merited. I asked for his secret and guidelines his replies got me thinking he said;
 (1). "Stop searching for merit and you will get them i.e stop commenting or posting just to get merits." so I stop and to my surprise I got merited for the first time in this forum and the funny part is, it was not even my best comment (in which i was using to search for the merits).

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So how does all these relate to my topic been discuss above? If you have no idea or nothing to say don't just reply for bounty seek and slow down with the whole bold letters design in different colours thing. You must not comment on every discussion you come across on forum. If it's merit you're looking for, do more of reading then seeking. And read through this
I chatted with a senior member of this forum after I notice almost all his posts or comments he made got merited. I asked for his secret and guidelines his replies got me thinking he said;
 (1). "Stop searching for merit and you will get them i.e stop commenting or posting just to get merits." so I stop and to my surprise I got merited for the first time in this forum and the funny part is, it was not even my best comment (in which i was using to search for the merits).

This is still a forum. i.e if someone wants to say something on your thread, he can. Period. If you are offended, stop starting topics.

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This is still a forum. i.e if someone wants to say something on your thread, he can. Period. If you are offended, stop starting topics.

CB has a point though. YOSHIE isn't making any sense whatsoever, be it this thread or any thread.

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This is still a forum. i.e if someone wants to say something on your thread, he can. Period. If you are offended, stop starting topics.
I'm nothing saying he shouldn't comment but he should add some sense to his reply. Take time to read his reply neither does it make any sense or connected to the topic been discussion. That's just spamming in the highest order, all in the name of getting merits.

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Your idea is good but I don't think the members who are hoarding the merits will get the point you are looking for if we just sent their sMerits to the merit sources. Remember that we also need other members besides merits sources to show that they are also capable of sending sMerits to other people on their own as this will show that the sMerits being given by the merit sources does not stop to the people who primary receives it. Members especially the hoarders need to show that the merits they receive will cycle to worthy members especially the ones who are in the lower rank in order for them to be motivated on creating quality posts at the same time send the merits they earn to other worthy members.

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October 23, 2018, 06:47:43 AM
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Remember that we also need other members besides merits sources to show that they are also capable of sending sMerits to other people on their own as this will show that the sMerits being given by the merit sources does not stop to the people who primary receives it.

I think that the ability to send smerit to other users isn`t only important for the general merit cycle in nature, but also necessary for the realization of self-importance on the forum. Everyone is pleased to receive merits, as it demonstrates the acceptance of your comment by other forum members. But for many participants (besides merit sources) it`s also important to realize that they can express their consent and respect to another user by giving merit. In this way, they encourage other people to write better and more interesting posts, and thus try to develop the forum.
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October 27, 2018, 05:46:18 PM
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Your idea is good but I don't think the members who are hoarding the merits will get the point you are looking for if we just sent their sMerits to the merit sources.
maybe,  maybe not. I believe it will increase the level of awareness, user who don't send smerit will get active and start sending the smerits. It might not be the best option but I was looking for the solution to user that hoarding smerit long term to merit their newly created alt accounts

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