Satoshi's original idea...

[franky1]

im not an authoritarian. your the one that wants core domination

and how can i be an authoritation if you see all i do is bitch and whine.
again wheres my whip, wheres my cane, wheres my stick..
come on wheres my authoritarian power?

trying to say im the authoritarian as your last ditch attempt to deflect that its core that are the authoritarian. just goes to show. you are only interested in throwing insults and not learn about bitcoin


again im just calling out issues as i see them. i know you prefer sheep to just kiss cores ass and to not get told about flaws.
but there are flaws

now actually speak to the devs, they will tell you the flaws. then you will realise that you trying to hide the flaws with all your insults and infuriations is just self defeating yourself. your going to blow a blood vessel at this rate.. and what for? social drama?

if a dev admits X happened (inflightSF, UASF, bilateral splits), then there is no point you running in to say it didnt happen thinking you are that devs saviour.

dont you get it yet, your defending devs, not defending bitcoin.. but at the same time you are not realising that devs dont need you defending them because they openly talk about the issues they cause. they literally tell people that they make trojan backdoors for "inflight SF" they tell people they are releasing mandatory code. they tell people bitcoin cant scale. they tell people that the future they envision is a separate network thats not even a blockchain.


all i do is say why those devs idea's are bad for bitcoin in comparison to what bitcoins ethos/satoshis vision was.
if you think im actually trying to destroy core.
wheres the nuke, where the bomb, wheres the whip, wheres the stick, stone, ammo, weapon, code...
oh wait.. there isnt one.

im just telling the people that just following and ass kissing core is not good for bitcoin..
im not the one with mandatory code and trojan backdoors. so im not the authority..
but guess who does use them tricks...

but please with respect do some research.
if you spent more time learning and less time infuriating yourself in social drama. you would be more informed and more calmer
have a nice day

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[jorgelugra]

I find this idea very original. I think that Satoshi is a very clever person who can change the world for the better. To my mind, you need to consider this idea and follow it to succeed in achieving your goals

[Marbelli]

I, just like you, the author, I hope that we will stop looking for benefits from Bitcoin and will begin to promote Satoshi’s original opinion

[franky1]

Devs don't have to agree.  Those securing the network do.   

questions
1. what is the network based on
2. who secures the network

answer
1. code (it not paper or hugs or bottles of milk)
2. people with control of the code (users do not control the code)

question
1. why do users not control the code

answer
1a. "compatibility" "inflight SF" (devs buzzwords for consensus bypass)
1b. doomads answer 'devs dont have to do what the community ask, devs can do their own thing'

question
1. who does control the code

answer
1. developers that write the code

question
1. why does doomad pretend that core are not the monarch, tyrants, tories, even though its their code that has changed bitcoin for corporate benefit and moving away from open community consensus and features of cheap, diverse permissionless utility ONCHAIN
2. why does franky1 have issues with cores goals

answer
1a. doomad needs to research whats actually happening with the bitcoin network. EG price bitcoin tx's out of being cheap and also stalling onchain scaling to making users feel they need to use a nonblockchained permissioned network called LN
2a. LN is not bitcoin.. LN was not created to be bitcoin compatible. bitcoin was altered to be LN compatible
2b. LN is a separate non blockchained network for any coin thats LN compatible (litecoin and others). not a feature solely for btc
2c. onchain scaling can expand, but right now no alternative brands that have their own proposals. just sheep following core
2d. if other brands dared to make own proposals then core will do their bypass and rekt campaigns.. again(emphasis)


i do laugh at doomad. not because of malice. but because of the flip flopping he does
'devs dont decide users do' vs 'users cant tell devs what to do, devs can decide what ever they want'
'its opt-in' vs 'its compatible'
and many other comedy flip flop moments

i dont blame him, i just feel he needs to update his knowledge of whats really going on

[DooMAD]

the code
the code
the code

This is the problem with your "argument" (in the loosest possible sense of the word).  You act like there is only one codebase.  If there was only one codebase and no one was able to make another one, in that scenario you might actually have a point, because that would indeed mean users don't have control.  They'd have no choice to run what that one dev team have created.  That would be a horrible outcome for Bitcoin and I would fight that outcome to my dying breath.  But that's not what we have.  Any user, or group of users, can start their own codebase because the code is open source and Bitcoin is totally permissionless.  Everyone is free to create a client that enforces any rules they like.  If someone else doesn't like what those people are making, too bad.  You can't stop people from coding what they want.  None of your mental flailings change this simple fact.

Questions
1.  If you didn't have choice as a user, how are you running a client that isn't made by Core right now?  
2.  If you think all developers have to agree, how are you going to prevent a pool from launching a competing chain like ViaBTC did?

Answers
1.  Users clearly do have a choice and your position is untenable.  You are running a client that wasn't made by Core.  Any user can run any code they want.  It is a level playing field.
2.  There's no way to achieve that and your idea is totally unworkable.  Bitcoin is not a democracy.  It never will be.  It's better than democracy.  It's freedom.

You've convinced yourself that Core are in control so you just make up an endless pile of lies to justify that insane belief.  You are demonstrably wrong.  There have been numerous codebases and I've supported the developers of those codebases when others in the community have attacked them.  Users are free to choose these other clients.  First we had XT (which came about as a result of developers not being able to agree, so you saying that they have to agree is clearly moronic and can't be achieved in the real world where people are allowed to disagree).  I supported XT.  I defended the developers who made it when others accused them of a "hostile takeover attempt" (which to me sounds equally as idiotic as your "mandatory consensus bypass" phrase).  We had the /btc1 branch.  Some forum users claimed they shouldn't be allowed to do what they were doing and that they were "stealing Core's property", which I emphatically fought against because it's total bullshit.  We still have BU.  I still support the developers of that codebase even though I think Emergent Consensus isn't a good idea in practice.  They are free to make that code.  Users are free to run that code.

To anyone reading this post:

If you aren't a fan of SegWit or Lightning, there are alternatives.  It's entirely your choice.  You have the option of running BU instead.  The latest version for the BTC chain is 1.0.3.0 and you can find it here (but ensure you select the BTC version).  

Happy now, franky1?  

I will continue to defend the right of ANY developer, not just Core, to make what they want to make.  To paraphrase a quote commonly misattributed to Voltaire:

"I may not agree with what you say code but I will defend to the death your right to say code it."

You just attack the developers of any code you disagree with because you don't have a more convincing argument.  Which is why users are still choosing to run Core's code.  They clearly presented the winning case.  Users agree with it.  If another dev or group of devs ever come up with something better, consensus may change.  But for now, no one is anywhere near creating something better.  You keep saying what's supposedly wrong with Core, but not only is every idea you've ever suggested about a billion times worse or totally impossible to achieve, but you've also shown no intent to actually make a client of your own to prove how "good" your ideas would be.  Put up or shut up.  This is me once again supporting you in making your own code.  Even if I disagree with your code because your ideas are abysmal, I'll support your right to make it.  But you won't do it.  Because you just want to tell other people what to make (or more crucially, what not to make) instead.  

[tanxpresisit514]

I find this idea very original. I think that Satoshi is a very clever person who can change the world for the better. To my mind, you need to consider this idea and follow it to succeed in achieving your goals

Satoshi Nakamoto created bitcoin as a payment instrument that was decentralized and the system worked in a peer to peer manner. The technology used is blockchain, revolutionizing the workings of transactions that have been carried out for years. Even blockchain is called the biggest discovery after the internet.

[Royline]

This will encourage mining and the difficulty should be adjusted down when the miners close. As a result, the cost of mining will decrease. That's why it does not make much sense to focus on current mining costs: it tune up and down based on speculation and profit.

[FallenBtcAngel]

Forget about the original idea. Does it have anything to do with reality?

[virtfund]

Basically, Sotoshi's aim was to bring to the world a peer-to-peer cash system. Recently, we are very far away from this aim and people have to pay fees in order to make transaction of their crypto assets. Like banks, some people jumped this idea and gaining money for transactions. If you read about history of money transfer services, you will understand what I mean. I think, there will always be a boundary or mediator between two parties whichever they are called like western union, EFT system of banks, miners...

[vgk88]

I think Satoshi understood that as the people begin to use Bitcoin more and more, then he will have more and more problems with scalability and speculation.