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October 23, 2018, 09:24:23 PM
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I’ve thinking about this lately. Exceptional posters earn merit at a much faster rate than their activity. Good posters just at a faster rate. I’d like to think of myself as an OK poster or not bad poster, since I’m earning merit at a slower rate than my activity, but I don’t think I’m a bad poster. Bad posters hardly ever get any merit and the worst posters never get any merit if they don’t cheat.

I don’t know if any of you have thought about this. Even a mathematical formula could be applied, I think. I would love to hear your thoughts about this.
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October 23, 2018, 09:31:27 PM
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What do you mean exactly? Sort of like a rank/title displayed next to the username? It's already quite obvious from the numbers, isn't it?

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I’ve thinking about this lately. Exceptional posters earn merit at a much faster rate than their activity.

Right now, the people earning merit the fastest are the ones that are compiling and analyzing merit data.  :/

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October 23, 2018, 09:35:58 PM
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You mean like a parameter attached to a profile to indicate a quality manner of the forum who makes quality posts?

That sounds Very similar to the merit count attached to the profile of each user.

As per your topic, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a 'division'.
If it's a board, then serious discussion is one which separates members according to their rank, and ivory tower limits users below full member rank.

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October 23, 2018, 09:37:16 PM
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Just like you said exceptional posters earn merits quite quicker than good posters,and good posters quite quicker then just normal posters,and it goes on and on..

I think merits alone are enough to differentiate the quality of a poster
Other than that we have ranks,which is determined based on your merit/activity..

I doubt if we need any other sort of title that will differentiate users in here..
If you feel we do,give us more details about your proposals,for now you didn't quite give much
And probably then it'll be up for discussion

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October 23, 2018, 10:07:12 PM
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If I understand it well, this could be a percentage indicator. If someone earns more merit than activity in a period, the percentage is above 100%, if someone earns just a few merits while activity count increases rapidly, the percentage is low...
This percentage could be somewhere below the merit count or there's no real need to show this percentage, but the merit count could change color when the above mentioned % is above 25%, above 50%, above 75%... etc... like change from red to orange, yellow, green

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October 24, 2018, 12:00:25 AM
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I’ve thinking about this lately. Exceptional posters earn merit at a much faster rate than their activity.

Right now, the people earning merit the fastest are the ones that are compiling and analyzing merit data.  :/

Truly said.I will say it is side effects of merits instead of bringing overall quality it introduced us with few statisticians.

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October 24, 2018, 12:08:46 AM
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Ugh, having to make a different account to shitpost? Fuck that noise.
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October 24, 2018, 03:03:43 AM
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If I understood what you meant then don't think it's necessary. Although the merit system isn't perfect yet for showing the actually statistics of quality posters, it's doing a good job of differentiating between qualify posters based on the number of merits they have received (Exceptional posters, good and normal).

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October 24, 2018, 03:32:02 AM
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I’ve thinking about this lately. Exceptional posters earn merit at a much faster rate than their activity.

Right now, the people earning merit the fastest are the ones that are compiling and analyzing merit data.  :/

That's true.

Also I noticed that lots of merits are giving in topics like that one about "new reporter badges".

I was thinking about it latetly. More people are trying to make posts about merit data and statics to get merits.
It's not all bad, as those topics are useful for the forum and to users as well.

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October 24, 2018, 05:14:53 AM
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What sort of division? Forum-wise or rank-wise? This might incentivize people further to improve their post quality, but some people simply just don't care as long as there are campaigns accepting them regardless of their post quality. Perhaps the solution we should have is targeted at these campaigns and not on the individual posters, but you can't mandate a service to do their business on your standards so it'll be tough.

I’ve thinking about this lately. Exceptional posters earn merit at a much faster rate than their activity.

Right now, the people earning merit the fastest are the ones that are compiling and analyzing merit data.  :/

Why is this so accurate? Cheesy

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October 24, 2018, 05:16:38 AM
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What do you mean by division? A new rank or some sort of league table? We already have that in the merit stats, but I've previously suggested that a new rank should be created after Legendary for those users with an exceptionally high number of merit so there's something still to achieve once you become one. Legendary has already become far too common as well. You could even just make the Legendary rank require the high number of merit and demote everyone else to Hero. It's not like Legendary comes with any significant benefits over Hero either other than you've been here a bit longer. Theymos has mentioned the possibility badges for reporters and people (including myself) did suggest them for people who achieve very high levels of merit also, but as people have already said you can already see which users have achieved a lot  and compare that to their posts for somewhat of a ratio. I still think badges for various things would be cool though.

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October 24, 2018, 05:25:58 AM
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I don't see the need for this, quick look at the user stats gives you enough overview of the profile. It gives you no new information that the one you can find yourself by observing.
If you have the post count enabled for all the users with just a quick view you know what type of poster you are looking on.

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October 24, 2018, 06:07:13 AM
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What do you mean exactly? Sort of like a rank/title displayed next to the username? It's already quite obvious from the numbers, isn't it?

No, not displayed, but a division one can use, and I'll say it's obvious in the extreme cases like exceptional posters or the worst ones but not in cases like mine. I'll reply more later on writing from mobile and I'll have a busy day today.
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October 24, 2018, 06:17:37 AM
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Maybe we can add some badge under their profile to every user based on how much merits they got since merit system was implemented except the airdrop merits.

I am not good at making designs for that if someone good at this represent my idea with a design of badge.

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I would say that this is already visible by looking at the merits, or the content of the posts themselves. Along your line of thought, it may be nice though to have the merit counter doubled to show total number of earned merits vs to number of merits. That would be an indicator to what you say.

It could go down a level and have a number of merits earned within the board you are navigating (i.e if you are on the Bitcoin Discussion section, you’d see the number of earn merits within this board for each profile that posts there). This may be more useful, since it gives you an indication as to how good the poster is within the conceptual topics of a particular board, regardless of his overall merit score or overall earned merit.

Something like: (22) 120/ 220 -> has earned 22 merits on this board out of 120 earned merits. In total has 220 merits.

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October 24, 2018, 06:33:40 AM
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I am little bit confuse about your subject,
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Can we establish a division for posters according to their quality?
Apologies, I don't get this point exactly. But you main post is pretty clear and got your point. I think so.

Right now, the people earning merit the fastest are the ones that are compiling and analyzing merit data.  :/

Exactly, I think most high merited of post is merit analysis thread. No doubts thread are high quality and useful. But I think it's little bit high (imo). Personally I don't like spend smerit on merit analysis thread since I am holding very low smerits. I believe those user post merit analysis thread their intention isn't earn merit. They have earned enough. It's true that they are also preading their smerit as well. But I think we need take a little break about merit post. Since admin implemented new merit system, we should help low rank people's to improve rank. Especially demoted quality poster, according to theymos " send merit on good post for newbie those need 1 merit". Shouldn't wait for great post.

Well, the last instructions that I was given by theymos was as follows:

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 - If a newbie posts something that could be even called good, then give them 1 merit. It doesn't need to be a great post.
 - It's best to use all of your source merit. If you don't naturally do so, try giving people more merit per post on average. If you don't send your source merit, then nobody gets it, but if you do send it, then the recipient can pass half of it on.
 
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Exceptional posters earn merit at a much faster rate than their activity. Good posters just at a faster rate.

If I understood correctly, you say some users get the number of merit needed to raise the rank much faster than their activity allows them to move higher. And you propose to apply some formula that would allow to increase the rank depending on the merit, not on the activity indicator. If this is what you meant, then I have a question: why do we need activity at all? Maybe it makes sense to remove it altogether and leave only merit, on which your rank will depend? Those who write good posts will move faster, and those who aren`t able to receive merits will remain standing still. Now the situation is such that the activity either inhibits the participant in obtaining a new rank, or doesn`t play a special role, since practically noone is looking at this indicator. Activity has ceased to be informative. Merit has more to do with rank than activity does. The only thing that it indirectly demonstrates is the time spent on the forum, but this can be found out by looking at the date of registration of the participant.
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I've been away for a few days. When I get back, I'll start to populate my Snow Eagle pages.

It's really for my own use, but others will be welcome to check the lists.

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October 24, 2018, 08:43:56 AM
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I appreciate the suggestion put in, but dont you think we are becoming too much obsessed with "being able to make quality posts".

This is a forum after all and we expect people from all types of backgrounds to come in and make a variety of posts with different opinions. Some people will be able to make posts that are exceptionally put in and some will not. If we try to make divisions between them it will increase the current divide between the people who are well known and newbies who are trying their best to rank up.

Maybe as a sort of experiment personally someone could do it. But the info if made public would be like a public disgrace to others and I am sure it will become a source of mockery.

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