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[The Sceptical Chymist]

You gave me negativ feedback with the reason that i claimed that thePharmacist scammed 100 BTC from me ?

Because on the feedback you left me on 1/27/18, you put 100BTC in the amount risked, which amounts to the same thing.  That was only one of several feedbacks you left on my trust page on that day. 

[marlboroza]

Hey man, why are you complaining?
You literally left negative rating to users only because you don't like them:

Total idiot defending Lauda

You faggots

You are even to dumb to read

you blind asshole

you faggot

you must be a retarded poor old pot smoker

47 years old and still so stupid

I sense much anger in you. Ignored you will be.

[Thule]

You gave me negativ feedback with the reason that i claimed that thePharmacist scammed 100 BTC from me ?

Because on the feedback you left me on 1/27/18, you put 100BTC in the amount risked, which amounts to the same thing.  That was only one of several feedbacks you left on my trust page on that day.  

Ha ha so you wanna claim now DT2 members are to dumb now to read comments ?

You guys are so pathetic i really ask myself who would choose such stupid people as DT2 members who are even unable to read comments and make assumption based on BS.

Also its says risked amount and not scammed amount which VOD claimed

Hey man, why are you complaining?
You literally left negative rating to users only because you don't like them

I gave 2 people negativ trust because its was them claiming its ok to give negativ trust based on their mood.I just gave them which they said its ok so where is your problem ?

I get called a scammer without proof getting said i called thepharmacist a scammer who SCAMMED me for 100 BTC and there is no proof of that either more over you can say the DT2 members are to dumb to read feedback comments and the most funny thing is again thepharmacist never said himself over 10 months that i accused him.

But dumbfucks will always do everything.

You guys will get the love you deserve.

[Findingnemo]

Hey man, why are you complaining?
You literally left negative rating to users only because you don't like them

I gave 2 people negativ trust because its was them claiming its ok to give negativ trust based on their mood.I just gave them which they said its ok so where is your problem ?

I get called a scammer without proof getting said i called thepharmacist a scammer who SCAMMED me for 100 BTC and there is no proof of that either more over you can say the DT2 members are to dumb to read feedback comments and the most funny thing is again thepharmacist never said himself over 10 months that i accused him.

But dumbfucks will always do everything.

You guys will get the love you deserve.

If DT2 members are giving feedback for worthless feedbacks to the users then they may not be at the DT2 member for too long.

And do you know how DT2 members are selected? they are not selected from theymos or other admin if DT1 member add them to their trust list then they will become DT2 member.

[Thule]

Hey man, why are you complaining?
You literally left negative rating to users only because you don't like them

I gave 2 people negativ trust because its was them claiming its ok to give negativ trust based on their mood.I just gave them which they said its ok so where is your problem ?

I get called a scammer without proof getting said i called thepharmacist a scammer who SCAMMED me for 100 BTC and there is no proof of that either more over you can say the DT2 members are to dumb to read feedback comments and the most funny thing is again thepharmacist never said himself over 10 months that i accused him.

But dumbfucks will always do everything.

You guys will get the love you deserve.

If DT2 members are giving feedback for worthless feedbacks to the users then they may not be at the DT2 member for too long.

And do you know how DT2 members are selected? they are not selected from theymos or other admin if DT1 member add them to their trust list then they will become DT2 member.

Yes i will contact today the DT1 members who elected VOD and will hold them responsible for his actions and permanent lies.

Maybe i will even go a step further on him with legal charges for calling me in public a scammer and a criminal.
He is a Canadian resident so he is obligated to not break canadian laws

[actmyname]

Maybe i will even go a step further on him with legal charges for calling me in public a scammer and a criminal.
He is a Canadian resident so he is obligated to not break canadian laws

You are not going to do this. This is because it will be a waste of time. Not only that, but it seems unlikely that anyone is going to look at your testimonies as reliable especially considering your behavior in your recent posts.

If you are going to attack anyone for slander then it would be of your best interest to expunge all cases of your slander. And no, the excuse "well DT members are doing it so I can too" is not admissible. Moreover, your claim is simply untrue. All trusted feedback leads to a relevant reference. All your feedback either has no reference or leads to a circle and is utterly pointless. Seems to me that if you truly are going to do this whole marketing thing, it would lead to backlash against you.You consistently make the false attribution that we have been calling you a scammer. This is untrue.
You consistently make the claim that we have no proof for our feedback. This is untrue.
You consistently justify your improper use of the trust system by pretending that you are parroting. This is untrue.
You consistently lie and deflect and insult and think that you understand the trust system. This is untrue.I haven't made that many replies here because really - I don't have to. You keep digging yourself down deeper into the hole that you've blasted with the creation of these threads. Your vendetta is unhealthy. It's an internalized obsession and it seems that you're merely projecting everything that you have done onto other users.

Most people can see that you have blown everything out of proportion and will reject anything that does not conform to your beliefs. Beliefs that are absolutely, demonstrably untrue.
However, you keep waiting. Waiting for someone to agree. Through your confirmatory bias you hold this user's opinion in high regard and simply ignore every other opinion, attributing it to part of the gang. And of course, there will always be a user that will agree with you. And you will always have that self-serving bias to justify your actions. That is because there will always be users that receive the negative feedback and feel indignant enough to create droves of threads about the "wrongdoing", seeking the same thing you are.In reality, your actions are not unique. I personally have seen the same anger and process of retribution several times. The end result is always the same: the user stops posting on the forum.

The sooner you let go of your obsession, the sooner you can move on with your life.

[Thule]

I will give only a small comment on your poor reply.

It was you who started the problem by giving negativ feedback with false claims and when being questioned you tried to discredit me at all cost make me look like a scammer and criminal which clearly harmed my reputation.I told you directly that you harmed my business with your false claims and lies and accuse of being a scammer and now even criminal.

You gave horse shit making fun and even trying to discredit more.I even warned you that i'm not somebody who will let false claims on my person go away

That whole situation is the result of your abusiv behavior as DT members and nothing more.
I said in the beginning i won't let my name stay in such a bad light.
You laughed about it asking what i'm going to do since i have no options instead of deleting your false claims or trying to resolve it.


So these are the options i'm going to use which are a result of your massiv abuse and ignorance of harming and defaming honest people and giving shit about it.

It's an internalized obsession and it seems that you're merely projecting everything that you have done onto other users.

Most people can see that you have blown everything out of proportion

Oh so now i have it blown up because i didn't give up so quick like the rest of people you abused ?
The real blow is first to come

You are not going to do this.

You wanna make a private bet via escrow ?

You consistently make the false attribution that we have been calling you a scammer. This is untrue.
You consistently make the claim that we have no proof for our feedback. This is untrue.
You consistently justify your improper use of the trust system by pretending that you are parroting. This is untrue.
You consistently lie and deflect and insult and think that you understand the trust system. This is untrue.

I collected already all evidences on every public post you called me a scammer ,liar,fraud etc and now even criminal.VOD will have an opportunity to proof these claims.

I gave time till monday and i hold to my word.
I surely won't let anybody call me in public a scammer and criminal without reacting on it.

If you are going to attack anyone for slander then it would be of your best interest to expunge all cases of your slander.

Actually if you would google my name you would see that my wife is a lawyer running her own chamber.If you belive my reaction is not based on your previous actions then please feel free to sue me

[actmyname]

It was you who started the problem by giving negativ feedback with false claims

We can stop right here.

My comment is exactly "Engaging in account sale conduct".
The reference points to a thread in which you state "If you accept escrow i will take it"

I do not see a false claim here. Would you like to tell me what is incorrect about my feedback?I just took a brief look at all the threads you've made. As far as I could tell, no one called you a scammer. Stop lying.

[Thule]

Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

Posts where i'm being defamed as scammer and spammer

Next people who see the trust system instantly think i'm a scammer when not knowing me.
You are very well aware of it based on your old postings where you talk with other DT2 members

Funny you as so called DT member reacted on my post but didn't reacted on VOD for calling me a scammer and criminal.
Seems you agree with it

My comment is exactly "Engaging in account sale conduct".

What was my comment ?

"Calling me scammer and spammer without proof. Total idiot defending Lauda .I guess part of their team"

Based on that comment part of DT members agree i claimed thepharmacist scammed me for 100 btc ?

A great example of the double standards on this forum the community is complaining about

[actmyname]

Funny you as so called DT member reacted on my post but didn't reacted on VOD for calling me a scammer and criminal.
Seems you agree with it

Wrong. Vod has not called you a scammer. Vod has however called you a criminal. The only reason I didn't see this is because I was not looking for the keyword "criminal" and because I am not omniscient I did not instantly recall the thread (which I hadn't read).

What was my comment ?

"Calling me scammer and spammer without proof. Total idiot defending Lauda .I guess part of their team"

Based on that comment part of DT members agree i claimed thepharmacist scammed me for 100 btc ?

A great example of the double standards on this forum the community is complaining about

Double standards? What a non-sequitur.

Here's the case in point: you put down "100 BTC" as the risked amount in the feedback.
Why? There was no BTC involved in any trade or lack thereof.

[Thule]

Here's the case in your point

Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

Everyone with a working brain instantly see for what my negativ rating was.What you guys are doing is to interpret something into it which doesn't exist.
You create false facts to discredit someone.Funny that thepharmacist and vod didn't said a single word about it the past 10 months as it was clear what the negativ trust was for and started creating new facts to discredit as they always do.And any DT member claiming its not clear for what the negativ trust was should instantly check his ability to interpret anything

VOD hasn't called me a scammer ealier ?This time he called me a liar,criminal and indirectly a defamer making false claims.

The only reason I didn't see this is because I was not looking for the keyword "criminal" and because I am not omniscient

You must be blind not having seen the massiv amount of being called a scammer and fraud by Lauda and his gang even you participated in these threads.

Never saw you say a single word about it to anyone

But i will tell you something.You are a high professional in creating excuses or discrediting

[actmyname]

Here's the case in your point

Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

Everyone with a working brain instantly see for what my negativ rating was.What you guys are doing is to interpret something into it which doesn't exist.

Exactly. Your negative rating is for buying an account. I don't trust that behavior, full stop. You can choose to conflate this with being a scammer, but if this is the case, then clearly the same applies to you, correct?

All your negative feedback implies that those such users are scammers. Pray tell, why are they scammers?

The only reason I didn't see this is because I was not looking for the keyword "criminal" and because I am not omniscient

You must be blind not having seen the massiv amount of being called a scammer and fraud by Lauda and his gang even you participated in these threads.

Never saw you say a single word about it to anyone

But i will tell you something.You are a high professional in creating excuses or discrediting

Again, if you want to show a post that involves someone calling you a scammer (which you should be doing for each person you claim to have done that) then I will acquiesce.

[Thule]

Here's the case in your point

Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

Everyone with a working brain instantly see for what my negativ rating was.What you guys are doing is to interpret something into it which doesn't exist.

Exactly. Your negative rating is for buying an account. I don't trust that behavior, full stop. You can choose to conflate this with being a scammer, but if this is the case, then clearly the same applies to you, correct?

All your negative feedback implies that those such users are scammers. Pray tell, why are they scammers?

The only reason I didn't see this is because I was not looking for the keyword "criminal" and because I am not omniscient

You must be blind not having seen the massiv amount of being called a scammer and fraud by Lauda and his gang even you participated in these threads.

Never saw you say a single word about it to anyone

But i will tell you something.You are a high professional in creating excuses or discrediting

Again, if you want to show a post that involves someone calling you a scammer (which you should be doing for each person you claim to have done that) then I will acquiesce.

All your negative feedback implies that those such users are scammers. Pray tell, why are they scammers?

I used the negativ trust feedback only once before since i never had to deal myself with a scammer other than bittrex which froze accounts without reasons for months, so i had not the right to do it.I started using it against members who abused the trust feedback system claiming you don't need to be proofen for a scam but its just enough if you don't like me and have no trust in me.
I gave to noone negativ trust besides people abusing that system or claiming that the trust system can be used for any reason

Again, if you want to show a post that involves someone calling you a scammer (which you should be doing for each person you claim to have done that) then I will acquiesce.

LOL yeah right.....VOD contacted you about my wording or did you stepped in without him asking?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Yes i will contact today the DT1 members who elected VOD and will hold them responsible for his actions and permanent lies.

Maybe i will even go a step further on him with legal charges for calling me in public a scammer and a criminal.

You are free to do both of those things, but I suspect you won't do either and predict that if you do, it's just going to feed your impotent rage.  Vod's not getting removed from DT over your problem, and law enforcement would probably try to stifle their laughter.

Here's the case in point: you put down "100 BTC" as the risked amount in the feedback.
Why? There was no BTC involved in any trade or lack thereof.

This is what I've been trying to explain to him.  The amount he put in that feedback is the basis for Vod's claim that Thule is lying in his feedback about me by claiming I scammed him for 100 bitcoins.  Thule either doesn't understand it or is willfully ignoring it.  It bothers me not a bit either way, given that I have many negs from people who have made some very specific claims of me scamming them for very specific amounts--and none of them include any valid (leading to evidence of me scamming) references, and most don't include reference links at all.

I've made mistakes in tagging members before, and when I realize my mistake I try to make good.  But there's a world of difference between a mistake made with the intention of trying to warn others against a shady member or outright scammer, and revenge feedback.  The latter is what Thule is engaging in, as are most people who've left me (and Vod, Lauda, actmyname, marlboroza, and others) negs.

Back in January, you wrote this post:

just have a look guys.Selling accounts is according to guidelines allowed
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

At that time account sellers/buyers were routinely getting tagged by DT members even though it isn't explicitly against forum rules--and the practice of doing such had been discussed since probably 2016.  The forum has rules, but the community has standards.  Bitcointalk doesn't moderate scams, for instance, but you can be damn sure scammers are going to get tagged.  Thus your argument above holds no water.

I don't think all account buyers/sellers are scammers, but it's a behavior that I don't trust and I believe in my usual feedback statement "Account [buyers/sellers] are not to be trusted" when I leave it on people's trust page.  Now that I've been called out for fucking up royally  in the case of iluvbitcoins, I'm going to be weighing individual circumstances a lot more heavily before handing out negs to account dealers.   Having said that, my feedback on Thule is on the money. 

I've also been known to remove negs from members when they've demonstrated improvement, but based Thule's shitty attitude, empty threats, and unjustified retaliatory feedbacks, that's not likely to ever happen.

[WaffleMaster]

Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

While the website does give that description for the negative feedback it doesn't hold true in practice. Account buying is mostly used for scamming, therefor DT members give negatives on it.

A great example of the double standards on this forum the community is complaining about

This forum should be considered unmoderated. While some obviously illegal things do get deleted and taken care of to limit the liability of the website owner and admins, there is very little moderation going on in the marketplace. As such, DT1 and DT2 has stepped in to try and fill that void with some sort of moral standard. And since it is mostly an unorganized group of individuals there are conflicting moral agreements and things like that. Those people are literally all we have in terms of scams/reprehensible behavior.

You can say it's illegal, and maybe some things are, and certainly there is rampant scamming which is illegal, but Theymos will probably not respond to subpoenas given to him for user data even if you somehow found him and got a lawyer in his country to issue it.

So this forum is great for public discussions but very poor for marketplace activities or anything involving money, which I've come to understand from being a member in a heavily moderated forum that was made for marketplace transactions. That forum even goes as far as creating hashes of IP addresses and displaying them and all matching IP hashes publicly to see if the same user is coming back so they can prevent them from scamming. The moderators and admins actively view first posts to see if a non-home IP address is being used and if not issue a huge warning about that user. Maybe Bitcointalk just isn't the forum for you, and that's ok. It serves a good purpose and is flawed, but nobody should really be mad about that.

[Thule]

This is what I've been trying to explain to him.  The amount he put in that feedback is the basis for Vod's claim that Thule is lying in his feedback about me by claiming I scammed him for 100 bitcoins.  Thule either doesn't understand it or is willfully ignoring it.

I understand it perfectly.Anyone seeing that feedback i gave must be a retard claiming that i accused ThePharmacist to scam me 100 BTC.
Its a poor attempt to discredit and nothing else.

About law enforcement.
I had today a longer call with the canadian embassy here and they were very helpfull.
No laugh at all but being serious that someone called me a scammer and criminal which is defaming.

I won't comment much on it anymore.Its a waste of time.Let's speak actions.

I gave a fair warning and deadline till monday.

After that its your path you guys choosed since calling me a scammer and other words to discredit me is nothing i will accept.
Maybe the majority of forum members will accept it but not me.
I have never scammed anyone or have ever been in court charged of criminal activities so you will have a chance to proof your claims in the real world and explain the judge you just wanted to clean the forum by defaming honest people.

Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

While the website does give that description for the negative feedback it doesn't hold true in practice. Account buying is mostly used for scamming, therefor DT members give negatives on it.

A great example of the double standards on this forum the community is complaining about

This forum should be considered unmoderated. While some obviously illegal things do get deleted and taken care of to limit the liability of the website owner and admins, there is very little moderation going on in the marketplace. As such, DT1 and DT2 has stepped in to try and fill that void with some sort of moral standard. And since it is mostly an unorganized group of individuals there are conflicting moral agreements and things like that. Those people are literally all we have in terms of scams/reprehensible behavior.

You can say it's illegal, and maybe some things are, and certainly there is rampant scamming which is illegal, but Theymos will probably not respond to subpoenas given to him for user data even if you somehow found him and got a lawyer in his country to issue it.

So this forum is great for public discussions but very poor for marketplace activities or anything involving money, which I've come to understand from being a member in a heavily moderated forum that was made for marketplace transactions. That forum even goes as far as creating hashes of IP addresses and displaying them and all matching IP hashes publicly to see if the same user is coming back so they can prevent them from scamming. The moderators and admins actively view first posts to see if a non-home IP address is being used and if not issue a huge warning about that user. Maybe Bitcointalk just isn't the forum for you, and that's ok. It serves a good purpose and is flawed, but nobody should really be mad about that.

I understand these issues since i am running myself several forums which i build over the last 11 years.
However i would never allow to play judge and defame somebody calling diffrent names without even knowing if he scammed or not.
The defame was a clear attack NOT because i bought a single account no it was because i didn't agree on their argumentations.
I told them clearly the reason i bought an account that i read the forum rules before buying and even asked a Mod if its allowed which he confirmed.
They started making me look like a scammer and even calling in public.
I asked them to remove it and instead i got a bunch of dickheads who have clearly some ego issues attacking me with diffrent names and defaming.

I have nothing done which could lead to call me a scammer,fraud,criminal .

They defamed with clear intention to destroy somebodies reputation and give a fuck if its legit or not.

They claim they have the right to do it because there is a community consensus about it.
Funny i never read about any of these consensus.Just some DT members talking to themself is no community consensus expecially when the forum  rules clearly says its allowed and even a mod confirmed it positiv.
Instead of saying listen we will make it neutral since you actually checked the forum rules and asked a mod which could lead to that situation they punched me with massiv negativ trust calling diffrent names etc without having any proof i ever scammed someone.
You think if i would be a scammer i would care about that account ?
I could just go and buy a legendary.
The issue is that my nick is being known on other boards and this discredits my person and my company when calling me fraud,scammer,criminal and i told them about it and that i can't accept something like that.
Since they had never before someone who really cared about his name they were teached to discredit someone and move on.

Here its not going to happen.
Lauda is smart and already deleted a comment.
I also never planned to go to court but VOD clearly explode anything by calling me in public a criminal.

For your info the defentition of a criminal :

An individual who has been found guilty of the commission of conduct that causes social harm and that is punishable by law; a person who has committed a crime.

You guys are talking a lot about defending from scammers.Who is defending me from abusers who defame and discredit without proof ?
The forum rules clearly says they won't play judge but you did without providing any evidence that i scammed anybody because buying a single account is no evidence of scamming anybody.


defamer :

To damage the reputation, character, or good name of (someone) by slander or libel.

[suchmoon]

The issue is that my nick is being known on other boards and this discredits my person and my company when calling me fraud,scammer,criminal and i told them about it and that i can't accept something like that.

That's a good point. Perhaps I should e-mail Thule and let them know that some asshole is discrediting them by running around intertubes with their name and saying the stupidest things.

Nah I'm too lazy for that.

[Thule]

The issue is that my nick is being known on other boards and this discredits my person and my company when calling me fraud,scammer,criminal and i told them about it and that i can't accept something like that.

That's a good point. Perhaps I should e-mail Thule and let them know that some asshole is discrediting them by running around intertubes with their name and saying the stupidest things.

Nah I'm too lazy for that.

Do i need to understand your BS ?

Your are even unable to distinguish between the person with the nick thule who runs a company and the company named thule which has a trademark on that name for roof boxes.

You wanna me explain also for your limited thinking why anybody can use that name when its not related to roof boxes.

I'm not going to keep argueing with people who have clearly no knowledge at all about law which they already proofed several times in the past.

[suchmoon]

~ whine

Nobody gives a shit about your name. Your trust ratings aren't visible publicly so no one outside of this forum would even know about it if you didn't whine so much.

On the other hand, the ratings you sent to other people are mostly false and unsubstantiated, which further defeats your claims. Did you mention all that to the Canadian embassy?

[Thule]

~ whine

Nobody gives a shit about your name. Your trust ratings aren't visible publicly so no one outside of this forum would even know about it if you didn't whine so much.

On the other hand, the ratings you sent to other people are mostly false and unsubstantiated, which further defeats your claims. Did you mention all that to the Canadian embassy?

Whats your issue jumping from one topic to the next and getting destroyed?

I never discredited or defamed someone without proof.
You got your negativ rating for commenting that its ok to call someone a scammer and fraud without proof that its just enough that somebody just has such an opinion and that i should calm downand accept it.

Funny that you instantly whined like a baby for the red trust i gave you claiming its unfair and adding a red trust to my account as revange
Didn't you just said 5 minutes earlier its ok to make negativ feedback and calling names if somebody feels so even if he has no evidence or nothing happened?

Funny you changed your mind so quickly once you get involved.And yes i have no issue showing that in court since i got your indirect permission to do so.