Trump wants to end birthright citizenship

[suchmoon]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1057208249571786753

Exclusive: Trump plans to sign an executive order terminating birthright citizenship, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for "Axios on HBO."

Obviously lying is involved ("We’re the only country in the world...") but also there is that pesky 14th amendment:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Which Trump thinks he can overturn with an executive order. Good thing he has that beer fan dude on the SCOTUS now.

FHF, you gotta make room in your basement for me when I get deported LOL.

[af_newbie]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1057208249571786753

Exclusive: Trump plans to sign an executive order terminating birthright citizenship, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for "Axios on HBO."

Obviously lying is involved ("We’re the only country in the world...") but also there is that pesky 14th amendment:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Which Trump thinks he can overturn with an executive order. Good thing he has that beer fan dude on the SCOTUS now.

FHF, you gotta make room in your basement for me when I get deported LOL.

I guess it comes to the definition of "reside".  Do Russian tourists and their US-born babies reside in the US?

If "reside" means a legal residency status, then you have your answer.

When you visit a country for a medical treatment, do you reside in that country?

When you crossed a border illegally, you work without a permit, and you physically live in the country without a residency status, do you "reside" in that country or you are simply an outlaw who remains at large?

[dogtana]

Is this also to influence future votes? Get rid of those who would likely vote against him. I would say thank dog for 14th amendment, but I don't see checks and balances working very well in US anymore. A lot of Trumps statements and intentions worry me, because US have great influence around the world.

[TECSHARE]

*for the children of illegal aliens

[Flying Hellfish]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1057208249571786753

Exclusive: Trump plans to sign an executive order terminating birthright citizenship, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for "Axios on HBO."

Obviously lying is involved ("We’re the only country in the world...") but also there is that pesky 14th amendment:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Which Trump thinks he can overturn with an executive order. Good thing he has that beer fan dude on the SCOTUS now.

FHF, you gotta make room in your basement for me when I get deported LOL.

Just wow!

You know we got lots of room for you up here in the great white north, the basement is not the place for an honoured guest, you're welcome to my ice fishing hut for as long as you like!  Can you handle UHC, kids not being massacred at school, the elderly not being slaughtered at church, a non racist leader, Maple syrup, weed, real beer and people that aren't terrified of make believe bogey men?  If you can handle the harsh brand of communism here I say come on by and we'll have a smoke/drink and a chat and get you all set up!

We do ask politely that you leave the military hardware at the door before coming in please and thank you!

[BADecker]

The problem lies in the definition of the United States. Generally in legal circles, United States means the 10 square miles of D.C., and the forts and other lands that have been ceded to the U.S. Government, as the Constitution says. The 50 States might have U.S. Gov lands in them, like national forest and wilderness lands, but these have never been ceded to U.S. Gov. So, they are not really part of the United States.

What this means is that people who have been born somewhere in the 50 States, but were never born on Federal Gov ceded land, are not, and never have been, United States citizens by birthright. All that Trump is doing is bringing this out into the open.

Why is Trump bringing this out into the open? To free us from the authority of Fed Gov. As citizens of one of the 50 States, we have all the rights of Fed Citizens. But we have lost freedoms because of the 14th Amendment that is essentially making us slaves of Fed Gov. If we aren't citizens of Fed Gov, we still have the rights, but without 14th Amendment requirements to obey Fed Gov laws while we are within one of the 50 States.

This is a benefit to us. It lets local people rule themselves, rather than being ruled by the Federal Government.

Why do non-U.S. people who were born in one of the 50 States have the rights of Fed Gov? Because all 50 States in their Constitutions state that they also follow all the tenets of the U.S. Constitution.

[suchmoon]

I guess it comes to the definition of "reside".  Do Russian tourists and their US-born babies reside in the US?

If "reside" means a legal residency status, then you have your answer.

When you visit a country for a medical treatment, do you reside in that country?

When you crossed a border illegally, you work without a permit, and you physically live in the country without a residency status, do you "reside" in that country or you are simply an outlaw who remains at large?

The amendment doesn't say anything about "legal residency status" so... no?

BTW immigrants are not all either illegals or citizens. There is a substantial part of the population that are perfectly legal, not citizens, and would get fucked tremendously bigly if this gets to pass.

Hopefully this is just a dog whistle (sorry dogtana) for immigration hardliners and it's unlikely to survive any serious legal challenge. Trump will probably forget about it after the election.

[TECSHARE]

The President has direct executive authority over concerns of immigration. It is pretty clearly defined.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

[suchmoon]

The President has direct executive authority over concerns of immigration. It is pretty clearly defined.

This is not about admitting someone into the country - this is about people who are already in the country and their offspring.

Nor can the president override the constitution.

[bluefirecorp_]

His rhetoric is disgraceful. America wasn't created for these reasons. I think all main stream media needs to air this.

Public Service Announcement to ALL Americans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGAqYNFQdZ4

===

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

How long until my family is targeted? It's a serious question; anyone here born in the United States being deported? Fuck that noise. The president doesn't have that right, fuck off with that bullshit.

I can renounce MY American citizen, fuck if anyone has the ability to do it for me.

[CristianOff]

That's interesting.

Imagine it this way. I am a [insert nationality] and I go on holiday to US with my pregnant wife. My wife gives birth and the child receives US citizenship. We, [insert nationality] have a better chance to receive a permanent VISA since our child has the nationality.

Let me explain you further: If you [insert nationality] were to go to US and merry a US woman, you would nearly instantly be able to apply for citizenship.

[suchmoon]

That's interesting.

Imagine it this way. I am a [insert nationality] and I go on holiday to US with my pregnant wife. My wife gives birth and the child receives US citizenship. We, [insert nationality] have a better chance to receive a permanent VISA since our child has the nationality.

Let me explain you further: If you [insert nationality] were to go to US and merry a US woman, you would nearly instantly be able to apply for citizenship.

You're confused. A child can't give parents "a better chance to receive a permanent VISA" until he/she is 18 (or is it 21?). Marriage doesn't give you instant citizenship either.

[bluefirecorp_]

That's interesting.

Imagine it this way. I am a [insert nationality] and I go on holiday to US with my pregnant wife. My wife gives birth and the child receives US citizenship. We, [insert nationality] have a better chance to receive a permanent VISA since our child has the nationality.

Let me explain you further: If you [insert nationality] were to go to US and merry a US woman, you would nearly instantly be able to apply for citizenship.

Kek, like a prego woman's gonna get entry to the states.

"merry" = joy, you're looking for marry.

And even with an anchor child or marriage, it takes years to become a citizen.

Anyone born on this soil is an American, regardless of who their parents are.

[suchmoon]

Kek, like a prego woman's gonna get entry to the states.

Ms Prego will be admitted if the paperwork is in order. The CBP agent may ask if she has money to pay for medical expenses.

[Spendulus]

Kek, like a prego woman's gonna get entry to the states.

Ms Prego will be admitted if the paperwork is in order. The CBP agent may ask if she has money to pay for medical expenses.

That's not how it works. They come across in south Texas late in their term, head to a public hospital and pop out a baby. Bingo, he's a citizen.

No papers, no money paid, nada.

[suchmoon]

That's not how it works. They come across in south Texas late in their term, head to a public hospital and pop out a baby. Bingo, he's a citizen.

No papers, no money paid, nada.

LOL, yeah, don't forget THE CARAVAN. Everybody in it is pregnant with twins.

[squatz1]

Hm.

The 14th Amendment, Section 1 begins:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside…

Sen. Jacob Howard was the author of the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause. On the floor of the U.S. Senate in 1866, Sen. Howard clarified the meaning of the Citizenship Clause:

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

The meaning was not as it is being interpreted as of right now. This is being abused for the 'anchor babies' as Jeb Bush once said!

[af_newbie]

I guess it comes to the definition of "reside".  Do Russian tourists and their US-born babies reside in the US?

If "reside" means a legal residency status, then you have your answer.

When you visit a country for a medical treatment, do you reside in that country?

When you crossed a border illegally, you work without a permit, and you physically live in the country without a residency status, do you "reside" in that country or you are simply an outlaw who remains at large?

The amendment doesn't say anything about "legal residency status" so... no?

BTW immigrants are not all either illegals or citizens. There is a substantial part of the population that are perfectly legal, not citizens, and would get fucked tremendously bigly if this gets to pass.

Hopefully this is just a dog whistle (sorry dogtana) for immigration hardliners and it's unlikely to survive any serious legal challenge. Trump will probably forget about it after the election.

Huh?

Immigrants are legal residents.  People who visit the country legally or illegally are aliens.

Residency implies a legal status.  

I am not even sure why these anchor babies are given the citizenships, the 14th amendment does not apply to them, they do not reside in the US. I guess American lawyers cannot read.

[suchmoon]

Huh?

Immigrants are legal residents.  People who visit the country legally or illegally are aliens.

Residency implies a legal status. 

I am not even sure why these anchor babies are given the citizenships, the 14th amendment does not apply to them, they do not reside in the US. I guess American lawyers cannot read.

"Immigrant" does not mean legal or illegal. It's a person who moves to another country.

[Flying Hellfish]

Hm.

The 14th Amendment, Section 1 begins:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside…

Sen. Jacob Howard was the author of the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause. On the floor of the U.S. Senate in 1866, Sen. Howard clarified the meaning of the Citizenship Clause:

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

The meaning was not as it is being interpreted as of right now. This is being abused for the 'anchor babies' as Jeb Bush once said!

So what should happen to a baby born in the US to an American citizen father and a non American citizen mother?