Merits for posters not making redundant quotes.

[Jet Cash]

In my capacity as the wild cannon merit source. I've just awarded a single merit to every poster following my quoting comment, and who has not included a redundant quote ( in my opinion). This is the thread that I used for this experiment - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5040212.

I did this without considering the content of the post, but in future I will take that into account.

I'm reaally fed up with these stupid repeated quotes, and in some cases it is being dine by legendaries, who really ought to know better.

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[eternalgloom]

Oh that's been a long standing pet peeve of mine, I really hate it when people quote the entire OP.
Made a post about it here a while back: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3092633

Even worse when the OP contains big images 

[Coyster]

Quoting the entire OP is rather redundant,especially when the topic is still in the First page of its comments..

Quoting can only be acceptable that way, when probably you want to cut out a particular part of the thread,and reply to a different part of it..

Most times as most knowledgeable members do,is to clear the entire thread,leaving characters such as "< >","snip" or leaving it totally blank

That makes the thread neat,much shorter and less of an eye sore

[Jet Cash]

Maybe I should post a link to that thread on the beginners' board.

I wonder if I'll get any quotes after my awards.

[Kopyleft]

I am in support of users being discouraged from quoting the entire text of the OP or some other commenter when replying.

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This is a way I think it should be done, to signify you are quoting the entire text.
If not, then you select the portion you intend to reply too.
But it is assumed you're replying to the OP if you don't quote.

Bounty managers should also discourage their hunters from using it as it just fills profiles with pyramids.

[Steamtyme]

Nice idea. I was lost at first assuming you started the thread, then the morning fog cleared and it made sense.

Definitely a couple of posts that had 0 content value, but none of them received any added benefits by receiving that merit. On that note I don't disagree with you awarding them merit for creating a post that had "formatting" quality lets say.

In the future it would be better to review the message as well, because a lot of 1 line shit posters do just drop whatever they can on the board without quoting anything. They treat page 55 the same as page 1. I've used this topic I created in the past, I just drop it wherever I see someone poorly formatting a post IMO.

[Lafu]

Yeb i agree and i often do that like this one

Most times as most knowledgeable members do

so you dont have to Quote the whole text !

But as we know we can write this 1000 Times and the most new Users dosnt get it !

And the best Users are who Quote there one Posts lol   

[manfredmann]

In my opinion that would be case to case basis. There are short replies that could be all qouted including the previous qouted post. There could be some benefit of doing it especially if the discussion is active. Showing previous reply would helpful also to get to know the idea on the expressions being made the poster and the post being replied.

However, I agree with OP that qouting the whole post would not be appropriate if the reply is only specific to a certain sentence. I hate to read that kind of post and in most cases I skipped reading on it.

[Thekool1s]

I mean it depends on what kind of thread you are responding to if someone is making allegations against you. I would certainly quote those responses for future references. But If I am responding to a thread in the press section, It makes sense to not quote the whole response. A simple @username should do the trick but I think its more of a subconscious thing. Plus if you ask me "subjective" quoting does make sense. It becomes clear to what part of the response you are replying to.

P.S Do you have any references for how legendaries are using redundant quotes?

[Highpitched10]

Bounty managers should also discourage their hunters from using it as it just fills profiles with pyramids.

This has nothing to do with bounty managers,please give those guys a break
This is simply down to bad posting behaviour,and it's down to the individual/users ineptitude

I find it weird blaming someone else for anothers posting behaviour,take a look at this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2833560.0

None of them work for the so called bounty programs

[Harkorede]

Another lesson learnt, I had no idea whatsoever that quoting an OP could be an eyesore, but I have seen some threads where the content is entirely different from the title and not to seem like an idiot with a reply that's off topic with the title if already the thread is more than a page, what should be done in this regard ?

[Jet Cash]

In the future it would be better to review the message as well, because a lot of 1 line shit posters do just drop whatever they can on the board without quoting anything.

I agree with that. In this instance I wanted to make a point, so I thought it would be stronger if I awarded everybody who hadn't quoted. I guess a couple of them just got lucky.

[dogtana]

Well what an honor for you to have used my topic, at least something good came out of it

[Jet Cash]

I forgot about the topic in the original post. Apologies, and I gave you a couple of merits. I opened the thread because  I wanted to expand on the topic, but I became distracted by the replies.

[Steamtyme]

P.S Do you have any references for how legendaries are using redundant quotes?

Here is 1 I found in a couple seconds. It's not the best example but the post is directly above theirs. They could have easily snipped part/all of it or not quoted it all and used something like this ^^ to indicate a direct reply above. This is also an example of a post that is using a quote to hide their own generic post and prop it up so to speak. I see a lot of this in the discussion board, a quote for no other purpose than to falsely portray a discussion.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3454152.msg43485450#msg43485450

Edit here's another: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5026203.msg45900022#msg45900022
No need for the full quoted OP. They didn't specifically address anything just a general discussion which is fine; just shows there was no need for the quote

In this instance I wanted to make a point, so I thought it would be stronger if I awarded everybody who hadn't quoted.

Makes sense, I'm sure the thread will stick out for some. I may link that to my posting tips guide to show there are benefits to preventing bloody eyeballs.

I'm just so glad you were able to find a way to merit low rank members, I know it was getting tough.

[vivavivu]

Oh that's been a long standing pet peeve of mine, I really hate it when people quote the entire OP.

Quoting entire op is just disgusting. But sometime need to quote entire op especially for currency exchange thread. Still quoting image should be avoided.

[S_Therapist]

P.S Do you have any references for how legendaries are using redundant quotes?

Here is another one- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5054833.msg47150149#msg47150149
This one is not logical to quote. s/he can simply quote one post while s/he has quoted his previous reply too.

[Banemu]

True, quoting has to be controlled and managed. I was also part of the long line of people that quote entire content but over time, I developed this tired feeling whenever I try to quote when it is not necessary but mostly, I pick out my point of interest from the whole content or OP rather than quote it all. What annoys me is when I find pictures or codes in it

[bones261]

What annoys me is when I find pictures or codes in it

I admit it, I am guilty of over-quoting. However, I still like to retain the pictures at times. In that case I make it a habit to use the following code.

Code:

[img height=100]stupid.jpg[/img]

I agree that there is nothing more irritating than someone quoting an entire picture that takes up half the page.

[Jet Cash]

I'm just so glad you were able to find a way to merit low rank members, I know it was getting tough.

Well my recent burst of meriting posts has got my merit bag down to 197 available smerits to award. If only some of those new members would stop compaining, and take advantage of the Fit to Talk translation project. That would give me a chance to reduce the total a bit more. The bag keeps getting refilled, so there is plenty available for good posters who support the forum.

Zimbabwe has just announced the Golden - a gold backed token based on the ERC20 chain. Surely there must be some new members who could start a thread about that.

[Thekool1s]

@Steamtyme To be fair they both are "spambies". I mean just look at their posting styles.

[k0er]

Here is another one- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5054833.msg47150149#msg47150149
This one is not logical to quote. s/he can simply quote one post while s/he has quoted his previous reply too.

if you quote yourself, you get even more red..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1928663.msg29075690#msg29075690
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1928663.msg29013054#msg29013054

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Oh that's been a long standing pet peeve of mine, I really hate it when people quote the entire OP.

Mine too, and sometimes I call people out on it when I happen to be making a post in a thread when I see members doing it.  It doesn't make sense to me why they hit the "quote" button instead of just the "reply" button--or at the very least, why they don't snip out the parts of the quote that aren't relevant, like I just did with your post I quoted.

I was also part of the long line of people that quote entire content

I'm sure I've been guilty of it as well, especially in my early days on the forum.  Quoting huge blocks of text is something I've learned not to do, and I'm glad you've learned not to as well. 

I'm reaally fed up with these stupid repeated quotes, and in some cases it is being dine by legendaries, who really ought to know better.

Jet Cash, whether your "experiment" has any effect or not, I'm glad you made this thread and I hope people read it--especially members who are new to bitcointalk.  Yes, I too have seen Legendary members quoting posts unnecessarily but it seems to be a rampant problem with newer members. 

The worst case I've come across (and I don't have a link) was one where a person was applying for a position in a signature campaign and quoted the entire OP of the campaign thread.  And I'm sure the example I'm thinking of isn't the only time someone has done that.

[Strufmbae]

Quoting the post is okay, but not the entire context.

Like this one. 
For example. 

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Cheers.

[Jet Cash]

There seem to be a few methods for abbreviating a quote. The symbols for replacing the whole quote I've seen used are  ~ or ~~, <..>, and my personal favourite - the meow >..<  Alternatives for abbreviated posts are snip or <snip>, and the typesetters continuation mark /..

We know that the OP revisited the thread, but I wonder how many of the posters that I merited have checked back.

[Veleor]

Quoting entire op is just disgusting. But sometime need to quote entire op especially for currency exchange thread. Still quoting image should be avoided.

I think that the problem with long quoted text areas could be solved technically by the automatic reduction of quoted text.

To see the full quote you'll need "Click to expand" button on some forums:



https://xenforo.com/community/threads/133426/post-1195340

[Steamtyme]

To be fair they both are "spambies".

That's why I knew where to find them, lol. 1 from each of the discussion boards, I literally opened 1 thread on each, kinda sad how easy it was to find "Legendary" accounts to fit the bill. That speaks more to the fact that there is no reason to assume based on rank the quality of a member. You actually have to look beyond the rank to see their worth, goes both ways.

The worst case I've come across (and I don't have a link) was one where a person was applying for a position in a signature campaign and quoted the entire OP of the campaign thread.  And I'm sure the example I'm thinking of isn't the only time someone has done that.

I wonder if they got accepted.  

I always enjoy that when it's an ANN thread or a long OP review or guide in the mining sections. Generally ends in cramping of the finger trying to scroll through.

We know that the OP revisited the thread, but I wonder how many of the posters that I merited have checked back.

I'm sure a couple of them will be delighted as I do believe it was the first merit for at least one of them, and for 3 others it's a large percentage of their merit received to date. If even 1 of them learned to format posts better I'd call it a win.

I used to use the -snip- a lot and do sometimes, but I generally don't bother anymore. I just cut the quote to what I need and assume people will have read it or can follow the quote back like a link.

[asche]

Fit to Talk translation project.

I've seen the mention to the fit to talk forum in your signature but never heard of it...

Got a link or something?

[bernardos]

@asche Here you go
https://fittotalk.com/english-talk/index.php

[The Cryptovator]

This is a lesson for them who made redundant quote on the thread. Although you have merited few spambie but redundant quoted users should learn from it why they have not received merit. Especially quote full thread is annoying for me also.  I don't think need quote If someone reply on main thread unless answer isn't for any specific sentences. Quote could be use for if need answer to others replied but only specific part.

[virendarnagpal]

Quote is absolutely unnecessary for members seriously taking part in discussion.  Because that person reads each and every post / reply carefully.  He need not any quote to understand the replies.  
 

[bungutko]

I believe that people receiving merits should have actually made a comment that is not redundant as compared to some of the other participants and it should have been original that is within the topic. Redundant post could either be just people reading the previous comments and just pick up the most common lines and rephrasing some of the topic contents.

[r1s2g3]

Those are quoting the full OP, most of them are lazy (give benefit of doubt to few as ignorant)
For replying the post , they are supposed to read every post (or at least traverse through all the post ).
Might be qouting OP make them feels that they are relevant or on the topic .
I generally quote OP when in thread discussion start about 2-3  streams simultaneously with very little relevance to actual OP posted.

[bitart]

Those are quoting the full OP, most of them are lazy (give benefit of doubt to few as ignorant)
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Might be qouting OP make them feels that they are relevant or on the topic .
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I usually think that some kind of signature spammers use this technique to make their post look more "natural" like they are involved in a conversation and not just spamming out one liners in various topics randomly. If they are in a kind of signature campaign where the manager cares about quality, they use this trick to make their post quality better (or at least looking better).