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November 03, 2018, 11:16:41 PM
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We heard that crypto is often used for terrorist funding, but according to IOCTA in 2018, such an assumption is wrong.

Today, the popularity of Bitcoin is getting better, but the relationship with terrorist funding, they prefer the classic method of transferring through banks.

so, terrorist groups that use bitcoin are only low level transactions.
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November 04, 2018, 12:32:36 AM
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Exactly.  Banks launder money for drug cartels, crime syndicates and terrorists all the time, but funnily enough people still use banks.  It's human nature.  They don't care how much corruption there is, they just want to stick with what they know.  It seems like there's only a "problem" when it's something new that people don't understand yet.  As adoption grows and people start to actually learn something about Bitcoin, they will eventually realise that Bitcoin is less useful for money laundering than cash is.

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November 04, 2018, 12:37:42 AM
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The rumours about crypto being used for terrorist funding, is just baseless rumour to make bitcoin publicity become bad, bitcoin is still not too efficient to be used to buy things compare to the fiat, there are more people using fiat to do crime than crypto, but the government want to make crypto looks bad
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November 04, 2018, 01:08:14 AM
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this is what i dont get about between crypto, banks and criminals, when both cryptos and banks are being both used by most criminals.
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November 04, 2018, 02:34:23 AM
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They can only make unpleasant rumors and this really makes news that should not happen. The bank is still a good trust, and will continue to be a safe depository. Crypto is an investment tool besides money in the bank, crypto provides good benefits if it is able to manage and use.

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November 04, 2018, 02:42:54 AM
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But we don't know the truth because when someone uses bitcoin for the transaction, we don't know who they are and what the purposes of the transaction. I hope people very smart when they make a transaction and sending bitcoin to the other wallet owner. They don't use bitcoin for any illegal activities, and they only use bitcoin for the legal thing so bitcoin will be known as for a good thing although we cannot deny that there are people who are using bitcoin for the illegal thing.

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November 04, 2018, 03:32:13 AM
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I also heard about using cryptocurrency by terrorists. If someone wants to use the bank and crypto for the transaction for the illegal purpose it doesn't mean the media is responsible for that. In fact, I think it's all about bad publicity to the people for making down crypto. If something does well some heinous love to spread the rumor about that.
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November 04, 2018, 03:55:29 AM
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it is funny that whenever it comes to usage, adoption,... as a currency people start resisting to accept bitcoin is a currency and  they always talk about how it can not be used as such and claim it is only an investment. but when it comes to illegal usages such as money laundering, buying drugs,... they seem to have an easier time believing bitcoin is a currency there rather than an investment that is not accepted anywhere (according to them)!

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November 04, 2018, 04:53:56 AM
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Standard propaganda adjusted for the modern age. Nothing new.
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November 04, 2018, 05:24:56 AM
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Both crypto and fiat currency are dead objects.  Good or bad use depends upon users only.  All this depends upon the intentions ; honesty of the people using currency. 
If it is used by smuggler definitely it will be bad usage but if some charity hospital ; school using it ; it will be good usage. 
We can not guarantee the intentions of the  users. 
So both can be and are being used for all the purposes.
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November 04, 2018, 05:31:39 AM
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We heard that crypto is often used for terrorist funding, but according to IOCTA in 2018, such an assumption is wrong.

Today, the popularity of Bitcoin is getting better, but the relationship with terrorist funding, they prefer the classic method of transferring through banks.

so, terrorist groups that use bitcoin are only low level transactions.
the bank print money through bonds so bank has no difference with terrorist but they do it in legal ways, you see the actual physical fiat currencies is lower compared to digital money created from loans and debt.
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November 04, 2018, 05:40:40 AM
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I am actually not so sure if terrorist funding is carried out with transactions using bitcoin, because the high volatility in the price of bitcoin will affect their funding. so they must choose another way to conduct financial transactions
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November 04, 2018, 05:41:44 AM
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Bitcoin is not the tool of the terrorist and banks are the good financial institution so here the thing is clear that bitcoin is money and we can use this as we use normal money but in some countries except European where people used to it and developing countries will take time for the bitcoin and crypto users and it is very easy to come to the crypto world and buy crypto while you can become a good trader too.

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November 04, 2018, 05:53:39 AM
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Negativity as well as negative news always makes the round in the news.
I see no connection between the bitcoin and terrorists/terrorism
Even if the bitcoin is being used to pay terrorists,we can have no control over that,as the system is free and open to everyone at anytime

Why don't they talk about the millions of counterfeit USD circulated worldwide,despite all their anti counterfeiting measures
Or talk about as far back as World War II,when it was so easy for the Nazis to forge the British pounds/USD
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November 04, 2018, 06:14:29 AM
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How they know about the funding used by terrorists, while terrorists are very clever and cunning, they are experts at hiding secrets. This is one of the decreasing prices of crypto markets and government fears like that.
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November 04, 2018, 06:35:59 AM
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We heard that crypto is often used for terrorist funding, but according to IOCTA in 2018, such an assumption is wrong.

Today, the popularity of Bitcoin is getting better, but the relationship with terrorist funding, they prefer the classic method of transferring through banks.

so, terrorist groups that use bitcoin are only low level transactions.

Of course bitcoin is not anonymous, so I don't know why terrorist would used it anyways. Fiat is still the King is terms of terrorist funding so I'm glad that IOCTA has debunked the so called "bitcoin is being used for illegal activity".

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November 04, 2018, 07:20:40 AM
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We don't know any evidences for that matters transaction through banks with high amount to fund the terrorist is very risky and very obvious (for me) for what i've known satoshi nakamoto is a USA CIA Agent (for what i've read) and maybe the true goal of the bitcoin is to make every transaction anonymous.

And bitcoin was used in order to avoid being tracked by the goverment, isn't? All of this are according to my own opinion and persception.

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November 04, 2018, 07:41:47 AM
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There is absolutely no evidence that Bitcoin was ever used to fund terrorism, this is just being used as a "smoke screen" excuse by governments to scare people. They have used the terrorism excuse before to enforce privacy infringements rules and regulations to spy on innocent individuals. <The general public>  Angry

Most of the stuff you see are fiction in movies and news media looking for some "clickbait" attention and this is not backed by any facts.  Angry

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November 04, 2018, 07:49:01 AM
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I do think what they say is true.
Terrorist wont use something without physical attributes. They all prefer cash, specially USD which is the most popular of all.
It is like every arms manufacturer or bomb creator will prefer it that way since it can easily be exchanged to their own currencies.

It wont be bitcoin. They might not even know about it.
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November 04, 2018, 08:05:34 AM
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But we don't know the truth because when someone uses bitcoin for the transaction, we don't know who they are and what the purposes of the transaction.
I think that we could actually pretty much know why people are transacting and how much money is
Involved in every transaction mate, with every transaction if you will, there is a price, date and also
Sets of addresses linking them with each other no matter the amount. I can tell you that transacting
With Bitcoin to transfer money is a very difficult task for everyone, you first need a buyer to give you
What you need or want for your coins, then you have a few limited options to deal with, you could either
Do the trade in an exchange and have everything on the record and not just your information but all the
Information of the buyer such as bank accounts, names and addresses and a link to their real life identities.
Or you could set up a meeting with the buyer and have cash to coin transaction which is not something
That any terrorist would want to do, a terrorist would never want to do any of those things because just
Having your money delivered to you through shell companies is better than having everything out in the
Open for the world to see and know about. if you are a terrorist you must be smart and know that selling
Bitcoin is more difficult than it looks like, selling Bitcoin is not as easy as anyone thinks it is, people don't
Go and decide to buy Bitcoins on a daily basis, nobody actually sells Bitcoins in bulk or buys Bitcoins in
Bulk, not to mention that terrorists are not independent from governments, most of the governments around the world support terrorists groups in a sense, having other governments to know that you are
Helping terrorists is not a thing for them. that's what going to happen if you decide to fund terrorists with
Bitcoin, all the government agencies would realize sooner or later that you are helping them because
Most of the exchanges are regulated.
Unless terrorists love to suddenly lose a large amount of money over a short period of time, I can see
No reason as to why a terrorist group would want to have investment on something as volatile as Bitcoin.
I do think what they say is true.
Terrorist wont use something without physical attributes. They all prefer cash, specially USD which is the most popular of all.
It is like every arms manufacturer or bomb creator will prefer it that way since it can easily be exchanged to their own currencies.

It wont be bitcoin. They might not even know about it.
Saying that terrorists might not know about Bitcoin is rather being naive mate, of course they know about it.
What I believe is that most of them have Bitcoins and know everything there is about the technology like
Block chain, I'm even convinced they are investing vast amounts of resources into these new technologies. frankly if these terrorist groups are not in to Bitcoin and other exotic new technologies
I'd be surprised because no ordinary people become known as terrorists, they mostly have great ideas
About everything, they just don't know how to put them in good use in a way that everyone in the world
Could use and benefit from their ideas.
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