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November 05, 2018, 03:55:24 AM
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https://coingeek.com/bitmain-losing-chip-supplier-debts-mounting/

I have heard other rumors.  I do not Have much info.

We have heard from multiple sources close to Bitcoin mining manufacturer Bitmain that the company is no longer receiving chips from its chief supplier Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company TSMC.

Bitmain’s account with TSMC is reportedly in arrears to the tune of over $300 million. Bitmain owed TSMC $1 billion but could only manage to pay $700 million and is unable to pay the remaining debts.

This news comes just two months after market research firm Sanford C. Bernstein & Co published a report suggesting the Chinese ASIC manufacturer’s prospects were so dire that TSMC should abandon favourable credit terms with Bitmain.

from the link above.  Damn could it be true!

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November 05, 2018, 04:14:59 AM
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November 05, 2018, 04:31:09 AM
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Interesting read. Hard to tell how much truth there is to it. I know there have been the rumors of a failed chip design, I think you mentioned something about a second even.

Phil weren't you able to check a couple wallet balances you were pretty sure were bitmain wallets? Be interesting to see what theh have in BTC reserves.

I got a nice chuckle unrelated to the article - the note at the end clarifying BCH as the true vision of bitcoin.

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November 05, 2018, 05:51:38 AM
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Well, we'll have to pull our S11 pre orders. . . oh wait.. . 

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November 05, 2018, 09:17:17 AM
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That maybe would explain why they were out of stock for Z9s for a while, in spite of them being the most profitable miners they were selling.

While it’s back in stock for the big Z9, the Z9 mini has vanished from product pages.

Edit: Fake news maybe? - https://twitter.com/nishantsharma87/status/1059324737837584389
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November 05, 2018, 04:16:28 PM
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I used to be able track  old large wallets  but  last year during the runup  they got into BCH  and mixers and shit.

So I don't think I can do it any more..

here is a 2016 order for a s-9 batch 1-4

Bitcoin Address   1BgpVxmQUreu4n7BeWZgYagsPVzQ9WsNgH
Pay   3.513 BTC
Pay Confirm   3.513 BTC
Date   2016-06-09 14:18:27

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1BgpVxmQUreu4n7BeWZgYagsPVzQ9WsNgH

sent here

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1KwA4fS4uVuCNjCtMivE7m5ATbv93UZg8V

this has 3,372 coins or  22 million

Order Details

Product Name   Price
ANTMINER S9 First Batch - Shipping starts from 12 June × 1   2100 USD ( 3.96 BTC )
Coupon
Shipping
UPS   0.119 BTC
Order Total:   4.079 BTC
Pay Details

Bitcoin Address   18WW19rfs6ydBwVqxgiw2PEcdvLDQ5mCu6
Pay   4.079 BTC
Pay Confirm   4.079 BTC
Date   2016-06-01 06:00:49

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/18WW19rfs6ydBwVqxgiw2PEcdvLDQ5mCu6

went here

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1KwA4fS4uVuCNjCtMivE7m5ATbv93UZg8V  same 3372 coins

Order Details

Product Name   Price
ANTMINER S7 BATCH 11 - Shipped out from March 1st~5th × 3   2136 USD ( 5.1 BTC )
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Shipping
UPS   0.29 BTC
Order Total:   5.39 BTC
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Bitcoin Address   15J421C66F5g9gbvXxqRuPuodQRZYZc1Qw
Pay   5.39 BTC
Pay Confirm   5.39 BTC
Date   2016-03-03 19:03:55

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/15J421C66F5g9gbvXxqRuPuodQRZYZc1Qw went to same place

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1KwA4fS4uVuCNjCtMivE7m5ATbv93UZg8V

here is a bch payment

14MAP6cCq6BXKBpZA1Kh9LVrMerwhGmPAo

https://explorer.bitcoin.com/bch/address/14MAP6cCq6BXKBpZA1Kh9LVrMerwhGmPAo

went here
https://explorer.bitcoin.com/bch/address/1MP5NPPPfiycwspBqDqeJz7s2E1K2kRYNh

and under 18,000 usd in the account.

so those numbers look like shit maybe they are a

"House of Cards"   maybe not.

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Jihan Wu is getting what he deserved. He owe a lot to crypto community. Years of extortion prices and abuse. Bitcoin Cash deal and working against community. Maybe justice is getting to him finally!
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November 06, 2018, 02:45:32 AM
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Well they announced on twitter two new models this week.

https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech/status/1059636075243524098

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S15 and T15 ... all the S10-11-12-13-14 went to trash ?
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November 06, 2018, 03:09:15 AM
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Well they announced on twitter two new models this week.

https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech/status/1059636075243524098

but is it a long preorder?

Hate to send in coin  and wait for 2 or 3 months to get one.

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Inspecting their page I couldn't find anything, then I'm not that good at it. I imagine it will be a pre order of some sort, just hope it isn't that long. S15 and T15 so two models next in series I imagine.

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Jihan Wu is getting what he deserved. He owe a lot to crypto community. Years of extortion prices and abuse. Bitcoin Cash deal and working against community. Maybe justice is getting to him finally!

Only thing I disagree with is "Years of extortion prices and abuse". It's called Free Market and BM just charged what the market would bear. No one held a gun to peoples heads to make them buy their miners so there is nothing wrong with that at all. If you have a problem with BM then don't buy their miners. I stopped buying Ants and moved to Avalons when BM tried to force BitCH on us and have never looked back.

If BM and other miner makers charged rock-bottom prices from day-1 and in turn sold even more miners can you imagine where diff would be today?

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Only thing I disagree with is "Years of extortion prices and abuse". It's called Free Market and BM just charged what the market would bear. No one held a gun to peoples heads to make them buy their miners so there is nothing wrong with that at all. If you have a problem with BM then don't buy their miners. I stopped buying Ants and moved to Avalons when BM tried to force BitCH on us and have never looked back.

If BM and other miner makers charged rock-bottom prices from day-1 and in turn sold even more miners can you imagine where diff would be today?

Quoted for truth. Bitmain has always priced their miners based off ROI, as has Canaan and others.
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Like when they price-warred Spondoolies into bankruptcy and then upped the price of their S5 by 40% the next day "just because".
What about the time they changed the S7 design from a 0.26J/GH miner to a 0.30J/GH miner with lower overall cost and reliability but the same price tag and didn't change the advertising numbers? And also built it with inherent undervolting for efficiency but didn't put that option in any public-release firmware (though very likely did in-house)?

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November 06, 2018, 09:01:23 PM
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Interesting read. Hard to tell how much truth there is to it. I know there have been the rumors of a failed chip design, I think you mentioned something about a second even.

It's been fairly widely reported that Bitmain had "risk chip failures" on at least one 7/10nm design - but no details on if it was the design that failed or the process.



S15 and T15 ... all the S10-11-12-13-14 went to trash ?

Even model numbers were traditionally "server size" designs - and haven't been done for a long while.

I suspect the S13 was the intended model that they had failures on their "risk dies" order(s).

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November 06, 2018, 10:11:15 PM
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Thanks for doing the address thing again Phil. Definitely not as bright and shiny as last year but who knows how many wallets they have. I could see all this BCH drama and work to prop it up as having cost them quite a bit.

It's funny that on one side there are the stories of impending bankruptcy, and on the other there is the launch of the new product line.

Almost smells like a big old PR stunt. Agent they preparing for an IPO or something right now. So even if half the news is speculation about money problems as long as they can show they are not broke it's not harmful.

... but no details on if it was the design that failed or the process.

Just wondering if it's the design that's on Bitmain, if it's in the process does that fall under the foundry to eat the cost?

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Thanks for doing the address thing again Phil. Definitely not as bright and shiny as last year but who knows how many wallets they have. I could see all this BCH drama and work to prop it up as having cost them quite a bit.

It's funny that on one side there are the stories of impending bankruptcy, and on the other there is the launch of the new product line.

Almost smells like a big old PR stunt. Agent they preparing for an IPO or something right now. So even if half the news is speculation about money problems as long as they can show they are not broke it's not harmful.

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I would think contracts vary.

Bitmain has had a lot of chips burned to wafers by that foundry. So I would think they could ask for more than some other companies.

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November 07, 2018, 12:31:27 AM
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these were bitmain hodlings a couple months ago, BCH is almost at the same rate from the date of their leaked IPO documents March 31



that looks like a huge chunk of coins. of course assuming they still have all of them which i doubt.

I think the S15 sales will determine that next position of where bitmain will stand. and what is more important is the overall market situation. should we see another bull run soon, i think bitmain will survive at least by selling what ever worthless asics they are stuck with " assuming they will become profitable if prices should go up" . if we stay in bear market for couple more months. then it may be a fair-well to bitmain.

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November 07, 2018, 01:03:28 AM
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these were bitmain hodlings a couple months ago, BCH is almost at the same rate from the date of their leaked IPO documents March 31

https://i.imgur.com/yaMTaqU.jpg

that looks like a huge chunk of coins. of course assuming they still have all of them which i doubt.

I think the S15 sales will determine that next position of where bitmain will stand. and what is more important is the overall market situation. should we see another bull run soon, i think bitmain will survive at least by selling what ever worthless asics they are stuck with " assuming they will become profitable if prices should go up" . if we stay in bear market for couple more months. then it may be a fair-well to bitmain.

yeah  it is interesting to see what will happen.

I wonder if they will do a longer preorder on the 8th or gear will be a fast release. (very important)

A 6 week wait or longer on the new gear and the info floating around against them could man they are in trouble.

A fast ship and decent gear could mean they will right the ship.

And a long bear market will hurt them.

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November 07, 2018, 02:33:58 PM
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Just wondering if it's the design that's on Bitmain, if it's in the process does that fall under the foundry to eat the cost?

New product and process runs are a collaboration between customer and Foundry. Foundries set an initial cost the customer pays regardless of where defects occur.

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