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November 21, 2018, 09:14:32 PM
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1. Create a Forum Rules Button on the Top Buttons Bar and when you click on it you get to the Forum Rules.
Doubt that this will increase the awareness for newbies, even I myself only consciously use the "profile" and "messages" section of the menu. Even iasenko thought that the "more" section was new in the menu bar. Think like you are one of them, will you as a newbie click a button where it says "rules" on instead of going to sections trying to find threads where you can post? They simply cannot avoid it, their mind is simply fixated on posting that they are not aware that rules are in place. A proof of it is newbies posting in the meta section asking why they got banned from the forum.

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November 21, 2018, 09:56:29 PM
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I can agree with The Pharmacist's pessimistic ghost, there are two types of newbies here (basically):
- those who care about the rules and they will study it and will try their best not to break them
- the spammers who won't care about the whole thing, despite of it will be put next to the more menu, will flash red and blue or will stay for 30 seconds at login...
For the first type, it will help a bit, for the rest, it won't... ever... but unfortunately they are the majority now, so I'm not sure if it worths the effort to develop this for those few newbies who are not here to spam...

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November 21, 2018, 10:54:08 PM
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There's a reason why the rule thread is titled as unofficial:

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I actively disbelieve in the idea of a "rule of law" where hard rules exist and are strictly applied across the board as if we're all robots. Every case should be considered individually in the context of the forum's mission.
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My thoughts on the sentiment aside, I really doubt the thread's going to receive any more recognition beyond a sticky.


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November 22, 2018, 12:40:04 AM
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1. Create a Forum Rules Button on the Top Buttons Bar and when you click on it you get to the Forum Rules.
|. Even iasenko thought that the "more" section was new in the menu bar.
I'm not so active at the moment, too many projects IRL, so just coming to check something and give some merit, if I find someone deserving.
At first I thought, OK this is a new menu, I haven't seen it /open it before, it should be new and I post the thread. Then I checked all the open browser tabs on the phone ( I had some old ones) and again, this menu was there. Then I realize that this change was made not so long ago but it's nothing new. Then I read all the comments, and everything was clear.

If you just add a menu it won't draw so much attention, I already experienced it. I still thinking that the "news feed" is the best option, and if you have a running text, it will draw much more attention.

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November 22, 2018, 02:07:29 AM
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I believe rules governing groups or associations define what are expected of each individuals belonging to these ecosystems should be made clear and available to them. Since ignorance is not an excuse to the law, I think this is a nice suggestion and should to be implemented as soon as possible. If the rules button is added to the forum, no one can give excuses of not knowing the basic rules of this forum.  
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November 22, 2018, 09:20:59 AM
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If you just add a menu it won't draw so much attention, I already experienced it. I still thinking that the "news feed" is the best option, and if you have a running text, it will draw much more attention.
This is a better idea since members won't have to be redirected to another page in order to see the rules. I was thinking that putting some snippets of the rules would catch their attentions more like :

Did you know that the penalty for plagiarism (copying and pasting other's work) is a perma-ban on your account? Found out more by reading the rules, you might be violating some of them already

Something like this would catch their attention for sure and they will probably go ahead and read the rest of the rules in order for them to avoid being banned in the forum.

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November 22, 2018, 01:53:27 PM
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Not a bad suggestion at all, but the pessimist ghost that lives between my ears is telling me that our chronic shitposting/spamming/plagiarizing population is just going to ignore it, just like they fail to read everything else that might keep them from getting banned or put on ignore lists.

It doesn't matter if they ignore it but if the rules are there and are also shown upon sign-up then at least they have no excuses. A lot of people genuinely are oblivious to the rules, and it's one of the excuses that is commonly used (though obviously there's no excuses for copy and pasting but at least they've been told about it so can't use this excuse).

The rules need to be updated IMO, particularly with respect to plagiarism--what constitutes plagiarism and what doesn't, and I suggested this in another thread.  There also needs to be more enforcement of certain rules, like not making zero-value posts, not making consecutive posts, and not necrobumping threads.  I think if those improvements would require more staff members, Theymos ought to hire some.  Flying Hellfish is doing a bangup job in P&S, and I think we need more mods like him in sections like Bitcoin Discussion and Economics.  I'm not disparaging the current mods of those sections, because I know it's got to be a crazy job, but I think some help is required.

Well it depends on how theymos wants the forum to be run. He's stated he's against strict rules and probably wants as much freedom as possible with as little mod intervention as possible, but you can't have things both ways. As much freedom as possible is obviously good, but when you let people do largely what they want and staff take the backseat it quickly becomes very messy and theymos might be mostly ok with how the forum is now or accepts that's the price you pay for freedom. I think a middle ground can be found either way though. It would be easy to hire more mods to clean up the forum or crack down on signature campaigns but if that was what theymos wanted he probably would have done it by now. Boards like Bitcoin Discussion need a dedicated mod regardless of how much theymos wants to crack down on things though.

There's a reason why the rule thread is titled as unofficial:

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I actively disbelieve in the idea of a "rule of law" where hard rules exist and are strictly applied across the board as if we're all robots. Every case should be considered individually in the context of the forum's mission.
<...>

My thoughts on the sentiment aside, I really doubt the thread's going to receive any more recognition beyond a sticky.

Don't call them rules then. Call them guidelines or community standards. Not having the rules or 'guidelines' displayed is what's causing a lot of the rules breaking in the first place. If people were made aware of the basic standards expected here then most wouldn't break them. We don't have to explicitly say do not copy and paste or you will die. You can just give a few examples of will likely get you banned.

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November 22, 2018, 10:43:05 PM
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Don't call them rules then. Call them guidelines or community standards. Not having the rules or 'guidelines' displayed is what's causing a lot of the rules breaking in the first place. If people were made aware of the basic standards expected here then most wouldn't break them. We don't have to explicitly say do not copy and paste or you will die. You can just give a few examples of will likely get you banned.
Or..

The idea of rules and guidelines could both exist. Rules could contain ban-able offenses, like cases of blatant plagiarism, or posting malware links, incentivizing people to post etc.

Guidelines could include things that iterate : " No trolling, no multi-posting, bumping to be limited to once in 24 hours".. You get the point.

And for the love of god, make an appeal system for bans that is more or less private, so only mods and admin can know, and can properly investigate. Some people will disagree on it, but it might be for the best of both worlds.

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November 23, 2018, 03:06:35 AM
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I can agree with The Pharmacist's pessimistic ghost, there are two types of newbies here (basically):
- those who care about the rules and they will study it and will try their best not to break them
- the spammers who won't care about the whole thing, despite of it will be put next to the more menu, will flash red and blue or will stay for 30 seconds at login...
For the first type, it will help a bit, for the rest, it won't... ever... but unfortunately they are the majority now, so I'm not sure if it worths the effort to develop this for those few newbies who are not here to spam...


I don't think I agree with you on this. In as much that some people end up breaking the rules of this forum does not make all of them spammers. Majority are just ignorant of the fact that some activities are not tolerated on this forum and I think this additional option will be of great help to a lot of people here.
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November 24, 2018, 09:18:27 PM
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I can agree with The Pharmacist's pessimistic ghost, there are two types of newbies here (basically):
- those who care about the rules and they will study it and will try their best not to break them
- the spammers who won't care about the whole thing, despite of it will be put next to the more menu, will flash red and blue or will stay for 30 seconds at login...
For the first type, it will help a bit, for the rest, it won't... ever... but unfortunately they are the majority now, so I'm not sure if it worths the effort to develop this for those few newbies who are not here to spam...


I don't think I agree with you on this. In as much that some people end up breaking the rules of this forum does not make all of them spammers. Majority are just ignorant of the fact that some activities are not tolerated on this forum and I think this additional option will be of great help to a lot of people here.
Well, maybe we can agree, because those who are breaking the rules accidentally, but not all the time, those are still type 1 and those newbies will rank up as the time goes by, those members are not spammers and hopefully won't be in the future as well...
But those who are breaking the rules all the time and don't care about anything but the ban, those won't become anything but spammers and the problem is that they are the majority now...

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November 25, 2018, 07:59:12 AM
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My Suggestion:

1. Create a Forum Rules Button on the Top Buttons Bar and when you click on it you get to the Forum Rules.

2. Since usually in every subforum the rules are pinned, one could highlight the font in color so that the thread becomes more attentive to the rules.

I think this suggestion indeed will bring some attention to the forum rules,
I'd also suggest that after registration, users be redirected to the thread Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ. With this being the post everyone first get to read after sign up, we can then be sure that users willingly chose to break rules if found guilty.

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