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November 16, 2018, 10:42:32 PM
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I've looked at the threads about Merits and sMerits. After spending a few merits (4 of them) to worthy members, which were mostly legendaries and Hero members. I've found that the members went to my site and gave me quality feedback. Real actionable advice, which I appreciated with my meager merits. Are merits ever replenished?

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November 16, 2018, 10:45:58 PM
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Only if you are a merit source.

The other way of getting sMerits (for the regular user - like you) is by getting more merits youself. For every merit you receive, you also get 0.5 sMerits (so, 2 merits = 1 sMerit).

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November 16, 2018, 10:55:57 PM
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As mentioned, you should try to become a merit source. Currently it seems like way too much sMerit is given to too few users. Here’s a couple sMerits for you to use as an example of your post rewarding abilities.

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November 17, 2018, 12:54:56 AM
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Only if you are a merit source.
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Thank you. I'll have to wait until I'm a more established member to apply for "merit source" status.

As mentioned, you should try to become a merit source. Currently, it seems like way too much sMerit is given to too few users. Here are a couple sMerits for you to use as an example of your post rewarding abilities.

Thank you OgNasty, much appreciated. I originally thought that merits would trickle down, but it seems like they are also trickling back up! lol. Honestly, the most helpful are those that contribute with either real insights, or value in another form to the forum user (feedback, insights, or valuable information. etc).

I was brought up to believe that appreciation is the most important currency. Seems like the merit system gives a threshold that spammers will have a hard time getting over to be worth their effort. I wish I was a part of this forum since 2010. That would have been life-changing.

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November 17, 2018, 08:33:39 AM
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 Smerit are replenished for merit sources. There a various merit sources in the forum some we know and some we don't know always on the look out to balance the smerit distributions. One great quality I have come to notice in a good merit source although I have not been here for to long is that a merit source does not consider a post worthy of getting merit from their perspective alone they also view the post from the point of view of other members a post might not be new or helpful to them probably because they know about it already but it might be necessary for other members and helpful so one or more smerit might be giving considering the delivery quality. And you don't necessarily have to give smerit to individuals based on rank or based on what you would receive after. Those advice you received from legendary members would have come anyway in as much as you meriting them probably made them observe you I don't think that is the sole reason for the advice (they are not in desperate search of merit)

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November 17, 2018, 08:43:36 AM
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Smeriits are definitely replenished for every user on the forum,but much more quicker and easier for merit sources/good users/members,but hardly ever replenished for shitposters if they were lucky to make one good post,or plagiarise to get one, as they hardly ever get another..

Merit sources get theirs replenished monthly,with or without earning any from another user,its a reward for their contribution to the forum(searching for meritable posts)
Good posters get theirs replenished easily also,as the very sources/members are always willing to hand out merits to them for quality posts,which leads to more merits,hence more Smerits
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November 17, 2018, 08:50:54 AM
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I wish I was a part of this forum since 2010. That would have been life-changing.
Don't know why do you think like that. If you were a member of this forum since 2010, you would have gotten a lot of BTC but it still may not change one's life. Lots of people sold all of their BTC @$100 thinking that s/he was the luckier. Those who didn't sell @$100, most of them sold @$1000. Therefore, no can certainly say that.
By the way, you were luckier than millions of user because you are a member of bitcointalk since 2016 which was also a good moment for getting into BTC at a cheaper price.
My inspiration- BTC is cheaper till @$100k.
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November 17, 2018, 09:08:10 AM
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I originally thought that merits would trickle down, but it seems like they are also trickling back up!
Merit does trickly down, but it's hard to find good users amongst lower ranked accounts. But when it happens, it gives you a chance to shoulder above the spammers.
Chances are a Member with 28 Merit has more interesting posts than a Legendary with 1000 Merit (who didn't earn any of it on his own).

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November 17, 2018, 09:28:08 AM
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There are a lot of users with unused smerits and the merit sources have their smerits replenished monthly. So I don't think there is a deficiency of smerits to give, the issue might be of course deficiency of quality posts.

Of course the standards of what deserves a merit has been lowered and now a fairly decent post can earn you merit(s).
That doesn't of course mean you should lower your quality.
We need more quality discussions around on the various boards.
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November 17, 2018, 09:58:57 AM
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Merit does trickly down, but it's hard to find good users amongst lower ranked accounts. But when it happens, it gives you a chance to shoulder above the spammers.
Chances are a Member with 28 Merit has more interesting posts than a Legendary with 1000 Merit (who didn't earn any of it on his own).

Then the post are all proof of authentications and some lousy reports of their social media accounts.
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November 17, 2018, 10:10:34 AM
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No one would give out merit just because they have so much smerit if there no post worth giving merit they have the right to hold back. But it's wrong to insinuate that some members are withholding there smerit just because you haven't been merited. There are other deserving of it that are getting it
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November 17, 2018, 10:25:16 AM
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Well I've got over 200 sMerit to award, and I'll be looking for good posts, and good thread starters this weekend. So if you want to earn some merit, then get creative. Remember, I check for plagiarism, so don't steal other people's work. I don't like heavy formatting either, so I just skip over those posts, and I really hate posters who abuse the quote facility.

Political, Bitcoin and other crypto, and technical are my favourite topics, so I'll be watching out for those posts. If you are worried about your English, then by now you should know how to improve it. Smiley

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November 17, 2018, 10:55:26 AM
Last edit: November 17, 2018, 11:14:58 AM by CryptopreneurBrainboss
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No one would give out merit just because they have so much smerit
you can also get merited just for your good writing habit (behavior) e.g, don't know if his reason for giving merits were due to he had so much but Jet Cash once gave merits to almost everyone who commented on a topic for not quoting original post/quote spamming. You might not be a merit/forum analyzer or scam buster but in the little way you can contribute to the forum, do and you will receive the merits.

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Loyce once gave merits to everyone who commented before him on a topic for not quoting original post.
It's Jet Cash not LoyceV Loyce, by the way
Thanks for the correction, I have been so used to Loyce good deeds that I mistake this one as his.

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November 17, 2018, 10:59:40 AM
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Loyce once gave merits to everyone who commented before him on a topic for not quoting original post.
It's Jet Cash not LoyceV Loyce, by the way.

In my capacity as the wild cannon merit source. I've just awarded a single merit to every poster following my quoting comment, and who has not included a redundant quote ( in my opinion). This is the thread that I used for this experiment - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5040212.

I did this without considering the content of the post, but in future I will take that into account.

I'm reaally fed up with these stupid repeated quotes, and in some cases it is being dine by legendaries, who really ought to know better.
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I think it is not easy to be merit source. Merit rules may be good. But it is not fair at all.

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November 17, 2018, 12:47:12 PM
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I think it is not easy to be merit source. Merit rules may be good. But it is not fair at all.

It's remarkably easy to become a merit source, you just need to become a somewhat established member and be able to pick out good posts.
I'm a merit source and I didn't even apply for it. Though I think I might just be a small merit source, since I get 'only' 10 smerit per month.

How is it not fair? It's true that newbies might have to work a little bit harder than more established members to earn merit, but I think that's a good thing.
Isn't it fair to ask for new members put in a little bit of extra effort, just to prove that they are looking to become a productive member of this community?

There are plenty of long-time members who are more than willing to award you merit, even for short but decent posts.

Try writing something that actually benefits other people and I don't mean sharing price predictions or trading advice.


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November 19, 2018, 07:02:56 AM
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I think it is not easy to be merit source. Merit rules may be good. But it is not fair at all.

It's remarkably easy to become a merit source, you just need to become a somewhat established member and be able to pick out good posts.
I'm a merit source and I didn't even apply for it. Though I think I might just be a small merit source, since I get 'only' 10 smerit per month.

How is it not fair? It's true that newbies might have to work a little bit harder than more established members to earn merit, but I think that's a good thing.
Isn't it fair to ask for new members put in a little bit of extra effort, just to prove that they are looking to become a productive member of this community?

There are plenty of long-time members who are more than willing to award you merit, even for short but decent posts.

Try writing something that actually benefits other people and I don't mean sharing price predictions or trading advice.




May be you are just lucky and early joiner. How can new person pick good posts? There is no merit in their account. So they can't share their opinion.

You are thinking only newbie and junior relation. Yes it is only 1 merit. May be it is easy to be Member also need only 10. Do you really thing easy that become a full member? It is not easy and it is not possible. I know someone, they have a lot of merit in their account. They don't want to share it. And local boards is so cruel about merit. My native is not English and my knowledge is also limited. So I am trying my best but it is not easy, acceppt that.

I agree that merit can help to make more quality on this forum. But also it is considering a trade by someone. I saw a calculation about forum member value by $. (For example. 1 merit is selling about 10$ and member account is equal to 100$). I understand you but you may see my opinion. Sometimes I am reading amazing thread and no merit, sometimes follish comments gets 10 merit. I want to tell that problem. That's what I want to pass by saying it's not fair.

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November 19, 2018, 11:20:11 AM
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May be you are just lucky and early joiner. How can new person pick good posts? There is no merit in their account. So they can't share their opinion.
Logically, you don't have to send sMerits before being a merit source. For applying to be a merit source, you need to pick 10 recent posts which deserve to be merited but didn't get enough merit. Anyway, before doing that "you have to be somewhat established member."

Do you really thing easy that become a full member? It is not easy and it is not possible.
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The inequality which you have mentioned can barely be seen. Some posts don't get enough merits and that's why people are open to apply for being merit source. Anyway, I personally think that the merit distribution is currently enough, the only exception may be in some local boards which don't have any merit source till now. Also, the system still didn't pass 1 year. Our forum is quite big and definitely, it will take some time to work more efficiently. The abuse (getting merits in shitposts) has also been decreased vastly although it's not possible to reduce at 0. But over the span of time, it will reduce more and we will see a 99% equal merit distribution.
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November 19, 2018, 02:21:44 PM
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I know someone, they have a lot of merit in their account. They don't want to share it.

You don't "share" merit or sMerit. For an explanation of the Bitcoin Talk merit system, please read my article. -
https://talkmerit.com/the-source/index.php/articles/the-bitcoin-talk-merit-system

There is no real benefit to be gained from hanging on to sMerits. Awarding them doesn't decrease your merit total. The only advantage in saving your sMerits is that you have some to award when you find a really good post. This doesn't apply to merit sources, as their merits are replaced 30 days after they are awarded. The real problem is finding post to reward. Every sMerit that stays in my bag delays its replacement, so all those bad posts that slow down the awarding of merits, actually decrease the number of merits to be awarded.

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November 19, 2018, 03:45:46 PM
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<…> And local boards is so cruel about merit <…>
I believe your local board is the Turkish one. That board on aggregate has had 14.485 sMerits awarded as of last Friday, to 1.140 different people. That is the second most merited local board (being the Russian local board the first). It also appears to have a couple of Merit Sources active on the board.
Of course, one really should not just look at the total aggregate values, but also compare to the number of post being made there (on that ratio, it was on the top third of all boards last time I checked).

Local boards are not great recipients of merit from a global perspective, but some slight improvements have been made there in September, with the addition of newly appointed Merit Sources (though I believe modest in allowance in many cases).

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