Do you think Doctors lie?

[BADecker]

Of course doctors don't lie. They are trained to always tell the truth. It's their teachers who lie. Check the links in the article.


Future doctors being trained that unborn babies are “parasites” in the body

Is an unborn human baby the same thing as a deadly parasite or a cancerous tumor? According to Professor Pascal Gagneux from the University of California San Diego School of Medicine, unborn human life and these two deadly diseases are basically one and the same.

As reported by The College Fix, Prof. Gagneux recently put up a slide during one of his lectures comparing what he claims are the similarities between “fetuses and cancers” – insinuating that unborn human babies are a parasite or cancer inside their mothers’ bodies.

Dylan Griswold, a medical student who attends Stanford University in Northern California, recently went public with a photo of the slide in question, which he says he obtained from a friend who’s actually enrolled in Prof. Gagneux’s class.

As you can see in the photo, which Griswold shared to Twitter, Prof. Gagneux wrote in the slide that a human fetus is “a legitimate parasite” because it “rapidly grows,” “invades” the mother’s body, “manipulates immunity of mother,” and “reshapes blood vessels.”

Just like cancer, Prof. Gagneux maintains, a human fetus “crashes the party!!!” by doing all of the same things – the message to the future doctors and nurses enrolled in his class being that unborn human life isn’t something to be cherished and celebrated, but rather “treated” or “exterminated” as a type of disease.

“I’m speechless,” Griswold commented about the photo, which was reportedly taken during Prof. Gagneux’s “Biology of Disease” class.

[tvbcof]

Of course doctors don't lie. They are trained to always tell the truth. It's their teachers who lie. Check the links in the article.

Future doctors being trained that unborn babies are “parasites” in the body

Is an unborn human baby the same thing as a deadly parasite or a cancerous tumor? ...

Pffft.  Here nnews and the student are just being silly.  The good proffesor is quite right;  nnborn babies are pretty much by definition 'parasites'.  They do manipulate the mother's immune system to avoid being rejected.  Actually it's the placenta which does the grunt work.  That is a temporary organ the mother provide.

What the good doctor didn't mention (or the report didn't mention) is that the sole purpose for a woman in the broader scheme of things is to adequately support exactly this 'parasite' and pump out as many as possible.  Basically guys are the same.  At least this is my outlook on things.

[Odessit_ya]

Lying is a lie, nonsense, fiction.
Watching how you can teach a patient a lie, you can both say a doctor is lying or not.
If at the same time he does not violate the oath of the hepocracy and it will benefit the patient, then it can be considered not a lie.
And as an ordinary person - the doctor is lying like all of us ...

[Lizzylove1]

A doctor was once asked "why do you smoke, since you do advise that smokers are liable to die young?" his reply was that "Something must kill a man and that himself has chosen to die through smoking". Well the medical doctor was only expressing his human addiction nature that although it's medically not good to smoke, but since he himself is addicted to smoking and he has find no way of stopping it, he may as well die off it. The doctor didn't lie but succumbed to his weakness,.

[boyptc]

Lying is a lie, nonsense, fiction.
Watching how you can teach a patient a lie, you can both say a doctor is lying or not.
If at the same time he does not violate the oath of the hepocracy and it will benefit the patient, then it can be considered not a lie.
And as an ordinary person - the doctor is lying like all of us ...

Yeah that's it, they have an oath, a promise that they will serve the people professionally. And whatever inside their oaths, I'm sure that it's all for the good of the patients.

[tvbcof]

More health care datapoints:

 - Friend of mine spent 1.6 days in a U.S. hospital and had ablation treatment to his heart.  Surgery was supposed to take 3 hours and took 7 so it was not as simple as some.  Bill: around $47,000.00  The surgery portion of that was around $30,000.00

 - A pregnant Filipino friend of mine just spent two nights and three days in a private hospital and was visited twice by her doctor in addition to ultrasound and analysis by the attending.  Total bill: $450.00 equiv.

So, medical care in the United States costs about 100 times that of private care in The Philippines.  I'm not sure how much higher the disparity will need to go before people here in the U.S. catch on that we are getting royally screwed and start looking around for reasons why that might be.  Perhaps it will never occur.  With adequate fluoride 'supplements' in the water and forced vaccination perhaps the trend can continue indefinitely.

[okala]

Lying is a lie, nonsense, fiction.
Watching how you can teach a patient a lie, you can both say a doctor is lying or not.
If at the same time he does not violate the oath of the hepocracy and it will benefit the patient, then it can be considered not a lie.
And as an ordinary person - the doctor is lying like all of us ...

That is what we have being saying it depends on the health conditions of the patients for doctor to tell him not to smoke or drink but even the doctor is also supposed to uphold what he teaches and practice because his lifestyle also reflect on his Job.

[grizli46]

There is an expression: You live as long as it is profitable for us. It's a cruel phrase,but sometimes it turns out to be true. Among doctors,as in any other profession,a lot of real professionals and just fine people who,in addition to medical advice,will be able to listen to you and understand as a person.but also enough idiots who accidentally received the title and admitted to medical practice.I met both the first and the second..however as and each of you.simply want to believe that first more.

I want to tell a story. my friend came to the surgeon with a request to remove the tick. the answer of this surgeon struck me: I do not have a scalpel,wait until the ambulance returns from the call,maybe they will help.my friend came home and removed the tick with the help of a friend.

I sincerely wish you all health,as long as possible not to get to the doctors. and if you are, do not meet such as in history.

[TheHas]

They can lie, and are somewhat supported to do so due to he incentive structures in place for healthcare systems. They can lie mostly due to greed, and it is permissible by the structures in place.

To highlight - most countries have a 'fee for service' model for healthcare.

What this means is that the more 'stuff' Doctors do to you (like surgery, appointments, health checks, prescriptions for drugs etc) the more money they can charge you (if its the USA) or the government/taxpayer (if its most other countries) for each of those treatments.

Therefore, the incentive structure allows for poor treatment, lying about the severity of conditions or to be overly cautious on running expensive additional tests. It does not promote efficiency or the prompt delivery of good health outcomes.

A Doctor that sees the same patient multiple times for something minor, trying new drugs or various questionable treatments and failing to fix the problem can and will charge for each of those visits/prescriptions/treatments. They will be financially rewarded for mediocrity and failure.

A Doctor that solves the problem immediately, knows the issue and saves you time and money will be financially penalised, as they won't get to charge you for all those extra 'things' that the mediocre Doctor tried.

The system does not reward health outcomes and efficiency. It rewards Doctor 'activity' to do things to you.

You can see how financial incentives could support (and even encourage) Doctors to lie about whether that extra blood test is really necessary, or the likelihood of a treatment working, or if it represents value for money.

Financially, a Doctor wants to keep you around for extra treatment. Ethically, well you would hope they have your best interests at heart, but in many countries Doctors are very well paid and you can imagine plenty of situations where their ethical code and financial incentives collide.

So in answer to your question, yes some doctors do lie - and they are financially rewarded to do so.

[BADecker]

Believe that doctors are telling the truth. After all, nobody lives forever. So, you might as well feel comforted in your death by thinking that you did everything that could be done... everything that the doctor told you.

[BADecker]

Of course doctors don't lie. They are trained to always tell the truth. It's their teachers who lie. Check the links in the article.

Future doctors being trained that unborn babies are “parasites” in the body

Is an unborn human baby the same thing as a deadly parasite or a cancerous tumor? ...

Pffft.  Here nnews and the student are just being silly.  The good proffesor is quite right;  nnborn babies are pretty much by definition 'parasites'.  They do manipulate the mother's immune system to avoid being rejected.  Actually it's the placenta which does the grunt work.  That is a temporary organ the mother provide.

What the good doctor didn't mention (or the report didn't mention) is that the sole purpose for a woman in the broader scheme of things is to adequately support exactly this 'parasite' and pump out as many as possible.  Basically guys are the same.  At least this is my outlook on things.

But the men, having to do so much less of the grunt work, and especially in these days when labor is generally much easier in the civilized countries, the men can sit around smoking and drinking at the bar while the woman does the work.

 

[tvbcof]

My favorite doctor:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbTuo2iKoyQ

I like how he did't lie exactly.

[DrDoctor1234]

Not a doctor despite my username, but if I was a doctor, you'd have to call me a liar.

Doctor is just an occupation, it won't stop you from lying if you are that way inclined.

[Cryptotina]

The relationship between patients and doctors should be based on truthful communications. But sometimes it's not that way for a good reason) Telling the truth to a person with mental issues will only lead to you know what. And also, remember we like not to obey rules and regulations most times. So it depends on the particular illness and particular history)

 

[BADecker]

Doctors don't know everything. Probably they only know a little. So, if you tell them you have a cure for cancer, why should they believe you? You need to find the people who know. Cancer cure >>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111512.msg50940634#msg50940634.

[yesiam6]

Doctors are only human and have vices like any other person so of course some of them smoke (even though it's unhealthy) and or eat unhealthy and they lie like every person does but they swore the Hippocratic Oath
to not harm any Human being. I don't think that there is some big conspiracy about doctor's lying to you about certain things, but some have close relations to pharma companies that can be bad.
Another question i've been asking myself is if doctor's are getting more incompetent these days or if that only happened/happens to me
a lot of times i knew more about certain medications than the doctor themselves for example or for a simple cold even though it's a virus they'll prescribe antibiotics which only kill bacteria and does not help with your cold, it only kills necessary good digestive bacteria and it's also leading to antibiotic resistant bacteria which could be a real threat in the future. Are physicians getting dumber?

[Cryptotina]

Doctors don't know everything. Probably they only know a little. So, if you tell them you have a cure for cancer, why should they believe you? You need to find the people who know. Cancer cure >>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111512.msg50940634#msg50940634.

Wait a minute 😅 Are you advertising or advising? What's the link for exactly? Cure for cancer? How's that related to "DO YOU THINK DOCTORS LIE?" I'm confused 🤔

[Actor_Tom_Truong_]

Of course, all doctors must lie to make a living. All hospitals are for-profit corporations.

[uneng]

All kinds of job have the good and bad professionals. It's not different in medicine field.
What I see nowadays is that many doctors don't want to listen what the pacients have to say. They just throw a medical prescription on you and send you back home. Maybe you don't even need that or can't take that medicine (allergy reasons), but they don't want listen to you, it's very frustrating.

[BADecker]

Look at it this way. The life expectancy of doctors is still under 80 years on average. So, if these smart guys don't live that much longer than the rest of us, why would we think that they are telling the truth about much of anything they say?

Don't doctors want to live longer? And if they can't make themselves live longer, why would anyone think that they can prescribe the truth to somebody else?