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Recently i went to the hospital to check see the doctor and i was told the doctor to attend to me will be back soon, while waiting, he came in and from the look of things he had gone to smoke, it got me thinking, can it be that they are telling us not to do this and that and if you follow them you wont eat anything because everything is bad to health, no drinking of alcohol, smoking of any kind and the list is endless, why would a doctor now turned around and go smoking?

Here is a simpler question...

Are doctors human? Yes? Do humans lie? Yes. There is your answer. However that doesn't mean his advice is bad... smoking isn't good for you, and just because he is also addicted doesn't mean his advice is invalid. I would suggest you try to improve your health in the ways he suggested as much as you can manage without living in misery. I would make the goal to be constantly improving in that area rather than just meeting all of his instructions to the letter. If it is absolutely critical you do something they will make it clear. His job is to tell you how to get healthy, its not his job to tell you how to control yourself.

If the doctors advise you not to drink alcohol, no smoking I think better to follow this advise. Because you know the consequences if you continue those prohibited to you. Now, if some other things were the Doctor said don't eat this food such as Pork, preservative foods , and etc it is still good to follow, but if the physicians advise you not to eat this vegetable or fruits well in this case the Doctor is lying this time on this scenario. Because, all fruits and vegetable are good into our body. Why? because human are herbivorous.

Do you remember Dr.House genius phrase: ëverybody lie"?

 We lie to doctors, they lie to us. Sometimes its a white lie, sometimes its about money ore other profit...

Everybody lies, even doctors. Just because they went to school for a long time doesn't mean they aren't easily swayed by pharmaceutical drug pushers. This is why the supply chain transparency in healthcare will be a great means of blatantly revealing unnecessary, deadly, and highly profitable over-prescription.

As for the smoking? The doctor probably has a broader view on human health, knowing that no matter what we do, we're ultimately only alive for a very short time and it's all mostly suffering anyways (until we achieve digital immortality of course) so fuck it.  8)

Doctors are human and they can also lie. They sometimes lie to cover their shame from errors committed at workplace. A doctor can even cover up an error committed by his colleague just to protect their integrity, creating the impression that they are always holy 

Everyone had lied in their entire life and doctor is not an exemption to it. Lies are basically not good to practice. But there are some lies that might brought a good efffect. But I think in the doctors view, I think this kind or any kind of lie should not be happening. A doctors job always holds a life of a person, thus, a doctor should always be transparent. A doctor should not have any mistake, and if ever, that shouldn't be kept as a lie. All in all, doctors are just humans as they also experienced having lie but that shouldn't be job related I think.

I guess, u're asking whether a doctor would lie to her patient regarding medical advice. My question is, what would be her motivation to do so?

I assume you live in the United States? I see this kind of argument a lot, people complaining about doctors being "bought" by pharmaceutical companies. And while this is a large problem in the US, it isn't in most other developed nations. If you compare against the UK for example, doctors are given no financial incentive whatsoever for using or prescribing a particular drug. In many countries unnecessary prescribing is actually actively discouraged, with guidelines to follow and even punishments for doctors who hand out too many prescriptions.



That's an unreasonable expectation to have, I'm afraid. Everybody makes mistakes. It doesn't matter how trained you are, how experienced you are, how skillful you are. You can do something flawlessly a million times, and still make a mistake on the millionth-and-first time. In medicine there are countless checks, guidelines, checklists, routines, etc. designed to minimize mistakes. Obviously if mistakes happen, they need to be discussed openly and honestly and learned from, but you can never say there will be no mistakes. Mistakes are human nature.


To answer the broader question, of course doctors lie. Everybody lies. The differentiation to make is if the lie is ethical or unethical. Lying about medical advice or mistakes is obviously unethical, and should not happen and should be punished when it does. What about a patient involved in a road traffic collision, assault, shooting, or any other major trauma who was brought in and died in the ER or on the operating table from their injuries. What if the mother asks "Did they suffer?" or "Were they in pain?" I've lied in that situation several times. Is that ethical?

I think it's not actually or totally lie, it's more of an advice , in the end we blame the doctors right? but see how and why ?. The only thing we can blame is our ownselves, so instead of being a stubborn childish acting child, go ahead and follow the advice.

Because for what i believe is that being doctor is hard, we should learn and somehow put our own feet on some owned shoes.

Only on the job?

Only when they go to bed?

 :D

Doctors also have the freedom to smoke. Science tells that smoking is harmful to all people, but it does not mean smoking is prohibited. Doctors usually don't lie, and no doctor wants to kill. So your logic is problematic.

Sometimes you know what is good for you, but you still do harm to yourself.

The same with doctors.

Any parent will kick the butt of his child for smoking while having a cigarette in his/her mouth.
Doctors have to tell you what is good or bad for your health but that doesn't mean that they have to do the same.
For example, a diabetic person will be asked to stop eating sugar, or a patient with a hypertension will be told to reduce the salt intake in his food. Why should healthy people or doctors follow the same advices? Most of people know that reducing sugar and salt intake is good for health but respecting it isn't obviously done by everybody.
BTW, people working in the health care sector are the worst. They don't care about their health, they take drugs without visiting (other) doctors, they are the worst patients to treat.

Doctors don't study medicine any more, they study propaganda from the Big Pharma companies. Once you realse this, you can see that they don't lie, they are just misguided.

Doctors lie to patients all the time, by not explaining how bad it is... like, you're gonna die in 6 months.

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Unfortunately, doctors are more and more being forced to practice what is known as "defensive medicine", because of the skyrocketing rate of patients attempting to sue doctors or bringing forward lawsuits against them. Again, as with most things wrong in medicine and healthcare, this is largely a problem in the United States.

We can never say for sure how long someone has left. We can take an educated guess based on how long other patients with similar conditions or diseases have lived for, but as every person is different, those educated guesses will never be 100% accurate. You could be suffering from a slow growing cancer that most people would live another year with, but suddenly suffer a DVT and PE and die next week.

I've seen several situations where doctors have said "You/your family member has 6 months to live", and they died within a few weeks. Lawsuit follows. Interestingly, I have also seen the opposite, with families suing when the patient lived longer than predicted. One family, thinking their grandmother had only a few weeks to live, spent a lot of money on a high quality but expensive private package of care, with round the clock carers and private nurses. Their grandmother ended up living for several months, and so their total bill from the private company was far higher than anticipated. They sued the doctor for their expenses.

If you want doctors to be more open with you as they are in most other developed countries, you need to get rid of your culture of litigation.

Lol, can stop laughing. real propaganda from big pharma companies!

Lawsuit is only effective in a country that are civilized if i must used that word. In country like mine my sister went for test following some issues she noticed in her body. they told her she had fibroid measuring 2cm by 3cm or inches. they started loading her with fibroid treatment only to realize it was pregnancy but it was too late. she suffered loss. now went to another for check up to ensure it was properly evacuated. spent money and was told no product from the miscarriage was left. she spent much. at the end of the day when there was no longer conception for 3 years she went to yet another hospital to see reasons for the delay only to test and see that she had no fibroid no traces of fibroid but old retained product from the last miscarriage. such cause deserves suing but in a dysfunctional country as mine you will be begging for trouble.

Definitely sometimes in my opinion that some doctors are giving an untrue statement or lie answer example of that some doctors says that we cannot eat something like this but the real thing and real answer to that is that we cannot have that kind of food too much because we all know that too much is not good in our health but some doctors saying that we cannot eat that kind of food but how we will continue to live if all kind of food is not good to our health and for me there are no foods that is not good but we cant that one food to take too much in our bodies and the real and good statement to that is to have a balance meal.

It's not hard to listen right? and it's not a lie, its just a warning for you but then again we all have a choices so whether you accept the fact that all of it should limited or avoid , it's for our own sake. Also their have their own life likewise every people has or have a choice, a freedom of will , a freedom to lie.

I don`t think it`s correct to talk about all the doctors in general. Everything depends on the country in which the doctor lives and works. For example, there are countries like China, where "natural" medicine and homeopathy play a huge role. This knowledge is transmitted within their culture; they cannot be acquired at Western universities. Therefore, the approaches to treatment there are completely different. And we can`t say that they no longer study medicine, but study propaganda from the Big Pharma companies.

Is It Time to Retire the Hippocratic Oath?

  https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/873756 (https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/873756) [annoy-walled by Medscape]

And as a follow-up, does it even matter?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD2d7-TQ5eU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD2d7-TQ5eU)

It is becoming the norm in my countries(Indonesia) to doesn't trust blindly a doctor except that is a very trustable doctor. It is advisable to consult another doctor to seek a second opinion to make a conclusion for us. I heard a story from a patient that stick with one doctor for his illness, he keeps using a prescription given by the doctor, but without any significant result obtained. He started to seek to another doctor then follow the prescription given, and surprisingly the sickness is getting away significantly.

Doctors have learned to give prescription on drugs and medicines for each and every abnormal things happening with one's body. Apart from this, they are just human beings with all sort of feelings and emotions. In this way they too lie and there is a telling in my town that you should not lie to doctors and lawyers. This is told because, upon the truth we say about our body they'll give medicines. With lawyers we're supposed to say the truth, oy then they can argue with the offender for us.

I find these facts very disturbing. Why should I, a reasonable human being, wanting a healthy life above all else, entrust my most precious condition, to a bunch of skewedly informed, hypocritical self entitled idiots who would not follow suit and do the same?

In the US today I would HIGHLY suggest that if you are above about 62 years old and need to visit the doctor for a semi-serious condition, bring along someone who at least pretends to care about you.  If you are seen as someone who doesn't have family support you will very possibly be prescribed drugs that will ultimately kill you.

I've seen this happen with my own eyes at least three times involving my own family, and that included my father.  I saved his ass from certain death by doing a little bit of research and finding that the prescription he was issued by his neurologist after having a stroke was killing him in exactly the manner documented.  And fast.  I moved him to different care and got him off those meds and he had another 4 pretty good years.  This was 20 years ago.  More recent experience tells me that the problem (or 'solution') is even worse now.

In my area it is common for a doctor to refuse to take you as a patient unless you sign a document promising to take whatever medicine he/she might prescribe without fail and without question.  My mother struggled with this issue just recently.

My own strategy is to simply leave the country, but it's not practical for most Americans, and it only works well for me because I've no medical issues yet.  I'm laying the ground-work for when I am however.  Glad to see that people are wising up in Indonesia.  Keep it up and I may be paying you guys a visit (and be paying you guys some rupiah.)

Doctors are human too, they will get sick and lie just like other people. I have bad and good experience with doctors in the past, some of them are pretty bad, only focus on earn money and don’t really care patient health. Off course there are also good doctors too, and really know what they do and have good knowledge.

A doctors also have their addiction, even they know that the cigarette are not good to their lungs, they still smoke because they are addicted, maybe because they are already addictedd before they've got their license from being a doctor but for sure they have their maintenance for that lifestyle of them. Yes, they can still lie to us, they are also a human like us right? People are not perfect.

What a pathetic way of a healthcare system, you are forced to agree to take any prescription given by the doctor without any reason or whatsoever. I'd think there is nothing wrong if a patient or their relatives want to know about the prescription, and I believe they deserved an explanation.

Nah, Indonesian people are far away from wising. That scenario I posted actually only apply to some class of society especially the bourgeoisie one. It is becoming established in their circle to share their trustable doctor, and as expected the cycle continues.

Majority of Indonesian is aware of the problem, but most of them are sticking with a broken healthcare insurance system created by the governments. Capital is their problem, they are forced to use the insurance even though the service for people using the insurance is awful. And also don't forget, There are still a lot of people that believe using alternative medicine that obviously far away from common sense and science.

Not just a second but even a third opinion. Especially if the first doctor is recommending a something invasive. There have been cases of people getting unnecessary operations and just getting worse. Doctors are human after all and can make a wrong diagnosis.

I didn't know the Indonesia had the same insurance stuff going on in their 'health' system.  From another currently active thread on this board:

... especially when they want to.      >:(

And when the whole family gets a vacation in Hawaii by moving enough of a certain kind of prescription drug...  On first-class seats if they really go above and beyond in their sales.

On the flip side, doctors rely on a single entity for their license to practice their trade in 'mainstream' settings.  In my country it is the AMA.  If they don't play the AMA's game they don't eat...and most of them have gigantic debts from med school, land rovers, kids at an ivy-legue university, etc.  The choice which most normal people will make is pretty obvious and understandable.  It's relatively easy to avoid information about the damage they might be doing to the peeps, or find a way to justify it if little snippets get through.  Humans are relatively good ad such things.

Most doctors are compassionate, loving, caring human beings. By the time they realize how widespread medical criminality is, they have a wife, a couple of kids, and a big mortgage. They are caught between a rock and a hard place that they never dreamed of in their pre-med years.

Some doctors are finding the answer in private membership associations (PMA). DuckDuckGo search on "private membership association" to see how doctors and other medical people are offering their services by private contract to their private contract clients. All this without the ability of the AMA or FDA to stop them legally from using unorthodox treatments that work.

PMA might be small, now, but they are emerging. They just might run Big Pharma into the ground, someday.

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The PMA tip is a good one.  I DDG'd it but found relatively little.  It's a good idea, and yes, I would expect it to be attacked viciously by everyone with a vested interest in the status quo.*

I don't fool myself into thinking that there is less corruption in overseas medical systems, but the economics are different.  I don't doubt that the .01% can and do get decent care by going around the pleb system, but they pay dearly for it I'm sure, and leverage other connections that I don't care to try to tap into.

The U.S. medical/industrial complex is so lucerative that there is a lot of money spend on policing in order to make sure it runs as-is.  A run-of-the-mill SE Asian country just doesn't have the kind of private wealth needed to warrant keeping doctors on the straight-and-narrow.  Thus, I expect that I'll be able to afford 'specialized' medical care for probably less than it would cost me to be killed here.  Time will tell.

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(*) A friend of mine just broke her arm ice skating.  The fracture was such that they did not immobilze the elbow, but they did put some metal in so, to be fair, it wasn't completely trivial...or at least the treatment chosen for it was not.  She was out of the hospital on the same day and she has no other medical complications.

The total bill for my friend's broken arm is going to be North of $50,000.  That would be 700,000,000 Indonesian Rupiah or 2,500,000 Philippines Peso.  ...or slightly under 13 Bitcoin :)

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Edit:  Here's an update on the broken arm for anyone who is interested in medical costs in the U.S....potentially for the purposes of capitalizing on the 'medical tourism' opportunities which it may open up...

Only one of the bones in the arm was fractured, and it was a very 'clean' break (which actually may be why a metal rod could have made some medical sense.)  Not sure if it was the radius or ulna which was broken.  The total time in the hospital was under 3 hours.  The surgery took about 40 minutes and the bill for that was $32,000 dollars.  Not sure if that includes the surgery required for the rod to be removed or not.  Probably not, I would guess, since I don't think they pre-bill for such things.  The total bill is expected to be WELL North of $50,000 dollars.

Looks like I better get set up with a 'PMA' here at home if I can find one since I do do rather dangerous work which risks injury from time to time.  I'll certainly be going overseas for any medical work which can be scheduled.

People have free will. The Dr probably knows smoking is bad for you, proven fact. They just don't care because their addiction or stress out weighs the risks.

that depends on the person himself you are visiting for the treatment and recommendation because there are so many good and best doctors who think the profession is a sacred duty to perform and help people. But some times doctors are stopping you from the things that they are donig themselves. Like most common example is the smoking. almost all the doctors smoke but they stop you from that thing.

this is not loyalty to the profession. they should be honest about everything they say and they should not do thing they stop you from.

Doctors are people too and often they are just simply doing their job. Each person has positive traits and bad habits from which even doctors can not get rid of knowing that it is harmful.
If you come to the doctor you do not have to complain about the fact that what he forbids you he does himself, because sometimes it is that what you contraindicated to another person will benefit.
We are all different and sometimes you just have to listen to the other person and not look at what he does.

Money makes anything happen, whether it is doctor, engineer whoever might be it doesn't have any exceptions. Op has stated one of the incident that occurred with him. There were lots and lots of similar incidents happen around the world.

All doctors are for-profit sole proprietors.

Most doctors don't lie.

Is more that most doctors don't research beyond whats in their text books.

They just parrot what the Establishment spoon feeds them.

That's why Illnesses are never cured anymore. Only symptoms are treated.

Theres no money in cures.

Really mate? Doctors are also people with a profession and could trick you using it. I still remember a piece of news about a doctor who lies about his customers having cancers. This is a very heartbreaking story. The doctor is diagnosing his customer wrong to have patients paying him. After diagnosing them wrong, he insists to ask for money for surgeries lying about stones or tumors within the patient's body. Because of panic, the people will pay as much as possible for their tumor to be removed.

Imagine if you were the person who was diagnosed wrong? Anxious about your health and where to find money to pay your bills? This is very disappointing and very heartbreaking. Doctors may lie, doctors can make mistakes as well and some really do stupid things for their patients. (Aside from good doctors and doing their job accordingly)

I always believed that doctors are very professional who have been following and true to their oath.

Yeah maybe they do for other people,
For example those who are scared,
The most famous lie of a doctor is when they are going to inject something to you,
They would say that it wouldn't hurt.

If a doctor working for Blue Cross can shoot up 200 kiddies they can earn themselves and extra $80,000 in bonuses according to this:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_QLdRUIdOw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_QLdRUIdOw)

I agree to this we have heard doctors getting a heart attack or die from smoking but that does not mean they have lost their reputation it's just that they lost their control or moderation, but what they are and what they learn and expertise is still there they will tell you about your sickness and how to avoid because they are educated to do that, but it's up to you to implement this.

Of course they do. Just like us they also have weaknesses and problems. Problem about smoking is not an easy problem to be solved in a week or two. So if they would want to stop it for their own good it would not be easy for them to stop so easily. Doctors and nutritionist would tell you o not eat this and this for it will be bad for your health and they will give  list of food you are not going to eat, I wonder if they themselves don't eat those as well, and if not what would be left for them to eat since almost everything is unhealthy as they say.

Everyone has habits it could be bad habits or good habits and also could be a lier. But this is very bad if any doctor tells a lie for any treatment. A lie could be fall in danger for a patient. So, Doctor should be a truthful every time for the treatment.

Doctors are also just like us,they can do bad things they can lie and they also will get addicted.So you knkw what is good for you and bad for you but you still choose some bad to make you happier,so this hapoens with everyone.

I believe you are aware that doctors are human beings just like you and me.
They are simply doing their job by telling us to avoid the consumption of some things ad s it coube detrimental to our health.
It's their right not to want to avoid those things they asked us not to take.
Personally, I fo not think it's lying.

I do believe that sickness is the state of mind than the state of the body.  If you look at the advice we get from the medical experts it is very clear that most of them were just to work on our mind and if all those do not are really truth many people could have died by now including the said doctors.

Of course they do everyone tell lie's even professional people lie.
It doesn't matter if their a Doctor or whatever they are still human.
And I think there are times that they couldn't tell the truth so they need to lie.

And we also need to remember that health care is one of the biggest successful business so they want to spread lie about something to make people ill then they will find the way to cure but selling for the high prices.

I can only say that you always have to seek a second opinion when it comes to doctors, they are human, they can make mistakes.

I do not blame the doctor for having smoked, perhaps the pressure they have every day, it is relieved by smoking and, although it is not advisable, many doctors have a great conscience about health and are examples of successful people.

Some do not drink liquor, do sports and lead a healthy life, maybe, you have to discover them, in medicine there are always that kind of professionals.

Doctors are smart people. They have gone through lots of schooling. Yet most of them prescribe drugs. But good drugs, like CBD and MMS are ignored. So, are they smart? YES! And this means that they lie.

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It's going to be very hard to believe that they don't. Either to ease the pain of the patient or the patient's family, or simply for profit. I mean, i don't think they take it as a responsibility in their profession to tell the truth all the time. There are a whole lot of greedy doctors as there are lawyers, engineers, managers etc.

Sometimes it is also not the doctor's fault why some people are looking for a 2nd or 3rd opinion, i experience before that the test result of my son has a problem. Doctor worries at the result of my son's diagnosis that's why the doctor wants to confine my son but I choose to go to another hospital to have our 2nd and also a 3rd opinion. Even 4th opinion. The 4th opinion doesn't need to confine, medications will do that's why I also learned that when it comes in a hospital, don't go to a not trusted one. Go to a hospital that even it is more expensive their test result was always accurate.

They are sometimes lying to us. But, it's for our own good. An example of their lie is this, a man doesn't have a cure for his illness. That's why the doctor decided to try psychology with the patient. The doctor will give the patient a medicine that will not cure him but psychologically speaking, the medicine is curing him.

It is true, it usually works with some patients who are terminal, if a person is told, he can take it in a very sad way, and only knowing that he has the disease psychologically can hasten his death, some doctors only tell his relatives so that they can give them quality of life and that they try to have a great time with their loved ones, many times the doctors do this kind of acts.

Definitely!!!!! In my opinion doctors do lie. I say this from personal perspective, I have been through several situations in which I have had doctors  giving me false diagnosis that led to me having a terrible anxiety which only truly developed a mental sickness.

My doctor at that time had diagnosed me as a diabetic I was giving a false information regarding my health which made me feel insecure about myself and made me think too much about who i was and where i was headed to in life.  

A simple mistake from a doctor created soo much worry in my life that actually caused me to suffer without having to, I believe that we have to be more careful and always get multiple doctors opinions before sticking to ones medical opinion. Life is short and it's meant to be lived to the max and to be lived in a healthy way. I do still stick to certain health advice my doctors gave me because I feel that our bodies to respond to certain foods differently specially when we are dealing with certain illnesses, one thing I do believe doctors can't go wrong with is the way a person should have a real balanced meal.

Sucks, even if I will go to my doctor twice a year I still don't always follow what he is actually saying. Tho there are good reasons why would he tells you not to eat or do that. If that can make you healthier then I guess there is nothinf wrong with that right. Regardless of to what he has been doing to his self.

I find it funny sometimes tho that they always tell us to have a good amount of sleeps yet most of them are actually not doing it

I think they are not lying, but they don't have many experiences in their field. I can say that because sometimes the doctor making a wrong analyze for his patient and one doctor can be different from the other doctor because his experience cannot be the same and cannot compare. Besides that, the case of every doctor is the same too and to handle the patient will be different too.

I agree on this and this answers the question in OP. Do you know what is the term for that? It has a term for itself and this thing is famous all over the world for the family not to suffer because of the relatives sickness and it could slow the death of the sick.

Yeah, most of them are on call if there are some emergency and they needed to respond late at night.

They are coming, it's the funny part but I still know that many of them having that kind of beauty rest and practice what they preach.

Possibly not all, but a lot of them surely do. Not all doctors have decent morals and would basically do even illegal things for money so lying isn't really a big deal for them. Some tell white lies to ease a patient's or the patient's fsmily' suffering, and some just blatantly lie to take advantage. Every profession has a good supply of liars.

could the doctor lie? yes! but not all doctors lie. usually doctors who lie because he has a bond of cooperation with drug companies and drug companies that sometimes determine how many drugs should be sold by the doctor so sometimes doctors lie to get sales targets

Illegal things? I didn't mentioned anything illegal about them.

Ohh, it's the part of telling their patient of taking a good amount of sleep while them being as a doctor or consultant for their patient, sometimes don't follow that.

Antibiotic for everything even if it isn't necessary, this was  common method in Poland while ago. So yes they lie, but not all of them.

May be the nature of your injury requires antibiotics and that is why the doctor prescribe it for you, but the question of whether doctors lies is in the context of they professionalism and life style either if doctors really practice what they preach to patients or simply do otherwise.

Same things can be applied for alcohol.  To have good health you need to have good knowledge of the body yourself and know when and how to use a doctor correctly.  Its a real challenge to do this and takes time to learn this skill.

Taking too much of antibiotic will make it useless because bad bacteria will find a way to destroy the antibodies if it was taken regularly so just use it as lethal weapon. :)

I don't think that doctors lie but just they don't have all answers.
They are not perfect and can't know everything and yes, sometimes they make mistakes to.
Just, their mistakes are very expensive and critical.

Doctors work according to there profession and at that you are expected to follow they instruction when they prescribe drugs for you and how to live a healthy life, because the not what they do because a doctor that smoke does not mean you as a patient can smoke when you health is down.

I know a lot of doctors who smoke like locomotives and drink like horses. But what they say about health, I think it's true. :D

So, you are taking the actions of one doctor and projecting that across the whole profession? That is such a strange extrapolation. Yes, individual doctors may not follow the medical advise that they dish out - but people are not perfect and even doctors can pick up uncontrolled habits.

There could be cases in where patients will fake their sickness and by faking their sickness it will make the doctor lie on that. Since, doctor does not know the real case of the patient since they are faking it, then it will make the Doctor lie.

Doctors do smoke and drink but tell you not to do it because like they can't get rid of their addiction, you too won't be able to get rid of it easily.

From my experience, doctors don't actually lie but I have noticed that when they don't know the cure and the sickness, they keep lying about what it really is and keep giving you these medicines which are so expensive to make you feel they will work. I had a simple ingrown toenail infection and had to visit like 15+ doctors in 3 months (from regular physicians to surgeons) and finally got cured by an MS in a village while none of the city doctors had any idea how to cure it.

Yes they are lying. Because they are human like us.   in you smoke story, its true. my close friends are doctor 3 of them are smoking cigarettes.  They are all told smoking is extremely harmful for health.  I quit smoking 4 years ago.  but they are still smoking. its a addiction

a sense to explain if people will still cause irreparable harm to your body.People need entertainment and pleasure. Only reference points have long been blurred.Pleasure can be obtain reading a good book and not Smoking another cigarette.As to whether doctors lie, I will answer that according to statistics, all people lie during the day. Absolutely everything.About Smoking among doctors can give a life example:My childhood friend never smoked in my life. And so he graduated from the medical institute with a specialization in children's neurosurgeons.After he started working he started Smoking.This is all a consequence of the nerves and constant tension with which he is faced at work.Can say that he never in life and no one not will recommend start quit Smoking.He understands that it is very harmful.

Of course they do... They are humans and in their job they have to lie sometimes in order to alleviate the "bad" news.
They now what it is bad or good for our health but that doesn't mean that they follow it in their personal lives. Consider other professions as well. Lawyers for example make small illegal actions in their everyday life many times. That doesn't mean that they don't know it, they do it in their consciousness.

I assume they are already a chain smoker even before they went to Med School. And sometimes its funny their reasoning on why they keep on smoking its just because , they're gonna die anyways. So with that in mind, they're professional and they know their code of ethics. They aint gonna lie giving advise on whats best for your health.

Doctor should be more responsible for himself, but they are always human and everyone have deadly sins.

Yes, they do! being a doctor is just their profession but that does not mean that they are not humans. humans often tell lies when they feel afraid or worried. similarly, a doctor can tell many lies to patents which doesn't hard anyone. just ignore them the main thing is that he will treat you well and their point of view around you is what a doctor should have.

Lols they are humans too, with pains, emotions, sickness and everything else. They live, breath and tell lies 70% or more because they just have to do it. They're traumatised so many times and experience pity/sadness always. They tell these untruths not to deceive parents/people, but to offer words that lighten their hearts in moments of despair and to spare their feelings. Among other reasons)

I had a long layover in SFO recently.  While I was charging my phone I was listening to some doctor talk to an associate of his.

Among other things, the doctor said 'they are building another $200,000,000 tower and they are not even taking out a bond.'

My take-away/interpenetration of this was that it was another medical building and that is that the medical-industrial complex is rolling in cash right now.  I expected this given my friend's bill for a broken arm is well above $50,000 now.  A single bone in her for-arm involving 3 hours in the ER.

Another point of interest is that in my small-ish home town here in Oregon, the central planning bureau came up with a new city plan a few years ago.  An amazingly large percentage of the city is set aside for the 'medical' part where the doctors offices and clinics are to be situated.  They are definitely planning something.

Oh ya, don't forget to get all caught up on your vaccines y-all.  Actually, I don't think 'forgetting' is going to be an option for much longer.

It depends on their situation and mentality of each doctor how they feel forward to a patient. Moreover lying in diagnosis of a patient is not a justice. In payment category they may lie by seeing the financial background of the patient or attender whosoever might be.

Doctors are helping sick people. We come to them to cure our sickness and disease. We also consult doctors to check our health so by giving us the result of the test, they must not lie to their patients, especially when it's really a serious matter. But then again, in my opinion, they are also a human, they have flaws so it's up to them what they will do.

There are situations like that doctors say that you should get some meds which will eliminate symptom but not cause of disease. I think most of the doctors doesn't know final effects of the meds and finally people after few years become more sick than at begining. But thats not doctors' fault but big pharmas who produce medicines.

Yes they also lie all of us lie they are also human .
So at some point they would lie about something .
No offense but I also think that some of them lie for their patient so the patient would come back.

As a general registered nurse, I will advice you to stick to these cautions and counselling you have been given. I know majority of health personnel's who smoke and drink but yet preach against smoking and drinking. they really know its bad for their health yet they do it. both smoking and drinking of strong alcohol frequently can lead to lung cancer and liver cirrhosis respectively and as your able registered nurse, I advice you not to emulate any doctor or nurse or health practitioner who does not do as he or she preaches but stick to what you have been told and assuredly that will help prolong your life.

I think doctors do lie and save you the same time why? because we have previous or old herbal medicine that some is more helpful rather than the given ointment or capsule and more. instead of suggesting a certain herbal medicine that they know is effective they give you a piece of paper which medicine that you can buy at the pharmacy. why do they do this? because there a something that it would broke a doctoral something or king a rule(forgot this part but about what I said is true)

believe me I hope you read this because this is what I say is true and legit.

take note that some herbals  are effective and some modern medicine is too also some of it is equivalent.

I think Doctors GUESS more than anything.  Sometimes they are wrong and you can get even worse!!

Truth be told, doctors, nurses and health professionals are found of smoking and drinking and many more but science has made us aware through health talks by this same doctors and nurses and health professionals, which means some of these class of professionals don't do what they educate us of and that does not mean we should emulate those who don't do as the say and risk our own precious life. life is precious and smoking and alcohol both has a great impact on our lungs and liver which are vital organs in the body. do what is right and prolong your life.

Some doctors, like those who work for major 'Health Maintenance Organizations' here in he U.S., seem to obtain an amazing amount of compensation for 'guessing' in a certain direction.  Inevitably that direction just so happens to result in huge spendings of their victim which ends up in the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry.

Note that if you are a 'very high net worth' individual, you A) don't need 'money' as most mortals understand the term, and B) have board seats on a variety of boards of directors in a variety of sectors.  Or sub-sectors.  If losses in one result in bigger gains in the other, that's fine.

I see most 'doctors' as being in the same class as most 'politicians'.  They are almost all basically puppets.  Some minority of them have some concept of how their strings get pulled, but most of those who do can find a justification to put on a set of blinders because life is relatively good for them.

Despite the fact that I agree with all the comments, we should not fail to understand that doctors are just professionals trying to help us with health related issues and at that still have they own personalities. Some time they life may contradict they profession but in all we must still take they advice in other for us to leave healthy.

I shall try to avoid doctors who are or who might be Talmudic in nature.


If I am forced to use a doctor who might be influenced by the Talmud I will make it abundantly clear to him/her that if they don't do their best to make me (or my family member) better, they _will_ 'incur my enmity'.  Big-time.

Certain widely popularized 'medical ethicists' here in the U.S. seem to have some Talmudic influence circumstantially via their surnames, and less abstractly via their teachings.  Seems the height of folly to take a chance on any such person.  At least if one is outside the apartheid state of Israel.

  http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter14.htm (http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter14.htm)

The fact is that doctor told you not to smoke and drink and it turns out that he too smokes and drinks doesn't make him a liar.
A doctor is a human and so has his own way of life.
He told you the truth because smoking and drinking has some negative side effect on the smoker .
His work is to be truthful to patients.
His private life is his business .

But there are some medicines prescribed by the doctors intentionally to spread the new disease on our body slowly while curing the other disease which is called as side effect on the medication statement but this is a strategy of making profits from health care business.

Of course doctors don't lie. They are trained to always tell the truth. It's their teachers who lie. Check the links in the article.


Future doctors being trained that unborn babies are “parasites” in the body (https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-05-01-future-doctors-being-trained-that-unborn-babies-are-parasites.html)




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Pffft.  Here nnews and the student are just being silly.  The good proffesor is quite right;  nnborn babies are pretty much by definition 'parasites'.  They do manipulate the mother's immune system to avoid being rejected.  Actually it's the placenta which does the grunt work.  That is a temporary organ the mother provide.

What the good doctor didn't mention (or the report didn't mention) is that the sole purpose for a woman in the broader scheme of things is to adequately support exactly this 'parasite' and pump out as many as possible.  Basically guys are the same.  At least this is my outlook on things.

Lying is a lie, nonsense, fiction.
Watching how you can teach a patient a lie, you can both say a doctor is lying or not.
If at the same time he does not violate the oath of the hepocracy and it will benefit the patient, then it can be considered not a lie.
And as an ordinary person - the doctor is lying like all of us ...

A doctor was once asked "why do you smoke, since you do advise that smokers are liable to die young?" his reply was that "Something must kill a man and that himself has chosen to die through smoking". Well the medical doctor was only expressing his human addiction nature that although it's medically not good to smoke, but since he himself is addicted to smoking and he has find no way of stopping it, he may as well die off it. The doctor didn't lie but succumbed to his weakness,.

Yeah that's it, they have an oath, a promise that they will serve the people professionally. And whatever inside their oaths, I'm sure that it's all for the good of the patients.

More health care datapoints:

 - Friend of mine spent 1.6 days in a U.S. hospital and had ablation treatment to his heart.  Surgery was supposed to take 3 hours and took 7 so it was not as simple as some.  Bill: around $47,000.00  The surgery portion of that was around $30,000.00

 - A pregnant Filipino friend of mine just spent two nights and three days in a private hospital and was visited twice by her doctor in addition to ultrasound and analysis by the attending.  Total bill: $450.00 equiv.

So, medical care in the United States costs about 100 times that of private care in The Philippines.  I'm not sure how much higher the disparity will need to go before people here in the U.S. catch on that we are getting royally screwed and start looking around for reasons why that might be.  Perhaps it will never occur.  With adequate fluoride 'supplements' in the water and forced vaccination perhaps the trend can continue indefinitely.

That is what we have being saying it depends on the health conditions of the patients for doctor to tell him not to smoke or drink but even the doctor is also supposed to uphold what he teaches and practice because his lifestyle also reflect on his Job.

There is an expression: You live as long as it is profitable for us. It's a cruel phrase,but sometimes it turns out to be true. Among doctors,as in any other profession,a lot of real professionals and just fine people who,in addition to medical advice,will be able to listen to you and understand as a person.but also enough idiots who accidentally received the title and admitted to medical practice.I met both the first and the second..however as and each of you.simply want to believe that first more.

I want to tell a story. my friend came to the surgeon with a request to remove the tick. the answer of this surgeon struck me: I do not have a scalpel,wait until the ambulance returns from the call,maybe they will help.my friend came home and removed the tick with the help of a friend.

I sincerely wish you all health,as long as possible not to get to the doctors. and if you are, do not meet such as in history.

They can lie, and are somewhat supported to do so due to he incentive structures in place for healthcare systems. They can lie mostly due to greed, and it is permissible by the structures in place.

To highlight - most countries have a 'fee for service' model for healthcare.

What this means is that the more 'stuff' Doctors do to you (like surgery, appointments, health checks, prescriptions for drugs etc) the more money they can charge you (if its the USA) or the government/taxpayer (if its most other countries) for each of those treatments.

Therefore, the incentive structure allows for poor treatment, lying about the severity of conditions or to be overly cautious on running expensive additional tests. It does not promote efficiency or the prompt delivery of good health outcomes.

A Doctor that sees the same patient multiple times for something minor, trying new drugs or various questionable treatments and failing to fix the problem can and will charge for each of those visits/prescriptions/treatments. They will be financially rewarded for mediocrity and failure.

A Doctor that solves the problem immediately, knows the issue and saves you time and money will be financially penalised, as they won't get to charge you for all those extra 'things' that the mediocre Doctor tried.

The system does not reward health outcomes and efficiency. It rewards Doctor 'activity' to do things to you.

You can see how financial incentives could support (and even encourage) Doctors to lie about whether that extra blood test is really necessary, or the likelihood of a treatment working, or if it represents value for money.

Financially, a Doctor wants to keep you around for extra treatment. Ethically, well you would hope they have your best interests at heart, but in many countries Doctors are very well paid and you can imagine plenty of situations where their ethical code and financial incentives collide.

So in answer to your question, yes some doctors do lie - and they are financially rewarded to do so.

Believe that doctors are telling the truth. After all, nobody lives forever. So, you might as well feel comforted in your death by thinking that you did everything that could be done... everything that the doctor told you.

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But the men, having to do so much less of the grunt work, and especially in these days when labor is generally much easier in the civilized countries, the men can sit around smoking and drinking at the bar while the woman does the work.

 :D

My favorite doctor:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbTuo2iKoyQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbTuo2iKoyQ)

I like how he did't lie exactly.

Not a doctor despite my username, but if I was a doctor, you'd have to call me a liar.

Doctor is just an occupation, it won't stop you from lying if you are that way inclined.

The relationship between patients and doctors should be based on truthful communications. But sometimes it's not that way for a good reason) Telling the truth to a person with mental issues will only lead to you know what. And also, remember we like not to obey rules and regulations most times. So it depends on the particular illness and particular history)

 

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Doctors are only human and have vices like any other person so of course some of them smoke (even though it's unhealthy) and or eat unhealthy and they lie like every person does but they swore the Hippocratic Oath
to not harm any Human being. I don't think that there is some big conspiracy about doctor's lying to you about certain things, but some have close relations to pharma companies that can be bad.
Another question i've been asking myself is if doctor's are getting more incompetent these days or if that only happened/happens to me
a lot of times i knew more about certain medications than the doctor themselves for example or for a simple cold even though it's a virus they'll prescribe antibiotics which only kill bacteria and does not help with your cold, it only kills necessary good digestive bacteria and it's also leading to antibiotic resistant bacteria which could be a real threat in the future. Are physicians getting dumber?

Wait a minute 😅 Are you advertising or advising? What's the link for exactly? Cure for cancer? How's that related to "DO YOU THINK DOCTORS LIE?" I'm confused 🤔

Of course, all doctors must lie to make a living. All hospitals are for-profit corporations.

All kinds of job have the good and bad professionals. It's not different in medicine field.
What I see nowadays is that many doctors don't want to listen what the pacients have to say. They just throw a medical prescription on you and send you back home. Maybe you don't even need that or can't take that medicine (allergy reasons), but they don't want listen to you, it's very frustrating.

Look at it this way. The life expectancy of doctors is still under 80 years on average. So, if these smart guys don't live that much longer than the rest of us, why would we think that they are telling the truth about much of anything they say?

Don't doctors want to live longer? And if they can't make themselves live longer, why would anyone think that they can prescribe the truth to somebody else?

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Absolutely, yes especially that doctors on private hospitals. I had once had a skin irritation that spread all over my body and I went to a doctor and all she had offered were expensive medical treatments from ointments and capsules that she has. They just want their patients keep coming back.

You should confront your doctor directly. Nothing better than a yelling match in the hospital halls.

Ask him if he was smoking. If he doesn't answer with a clear answer get right up in his face. Don't be afriad to raise your voice and start jabbing him in the chest with your index finger.

Be strong. Show him who is boss.

Shake your head as you leave his office cursing under your breath.

Sometimes patients may minimize or exaggerate symptoms to avoid key clinical issues) So doctors also sometimes need to lie (smart move card) to get the right results (answers)

This is why we as patients are free to look for a second opinion, third opinion and so on from other doctors.

They are not god or computer to always make right decision,they also might make mistakes from their knowledge or without knowing it as well.So jf you are getting analysed for something from your doctor then you will get different tablets for the same problems if you visit another doctor.

Since most humans or in this case patients are scared of the plain truth, sometimes doctors are forced to lie to us in  certain instance for our own good so we dont get scared. Personally, I  dont think doctors lie, they only want the best for their patients.

Yes some doctors are liar and some are honestly saying the truth to those who are sick.well doctor is always half truth and half lie this is to be able to earn money.
Well I know doctors help us  when we are sick they help us to be feel better.but there some point they didnt say all the good for us.they wanted us to come back to them.
saying for follow up check.why they say this? Is it because again to earn money?

Not all doctors lie and some of them that lie can either be protecting themselves or theor patient when they lie about something. Everyone that lie will surely have a reason to put up when asked.

100% yes, doctors lie, they are drug dealers and they do not even know it, and people also lie to the doctors to milk the system.

People lie, doctors are people.

They don’t lie. Doctors are also humans and have their own weak sides.
Smoking is addiction, that not easy to give up. So, it’s better don’t start.

DEAD DOCTORS DON'T LIE Full (original 1994) - Dr Joel Wallach
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ejUFB424bhM/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLDKS3qHhnnW5uWW3-BnDBewAD1Giw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejUFB424bhM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejUFB424bhM)

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Why do you even bother going to doctors or hospitals?  Just pray to your Lord!

All religious people should have faith in God, not hospitals or doctors.  

https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/8547243f-2c8a-4587-8f65-0deddae320ed-large.png

Aw, you're just jealous that I got something that works. You're welcome to join me. though.

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The Lord gives someone cancer... then that someone feels they betrayed the Lord and spends more time worshiping them to cure the cancer.

It would be nice if they clogged their churches instead of our hospitals.  :)

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Doctors are human and humans do lie. Lying is the first thing humans learned when they started communication this is one of the saddest things humans have evolved. even our ancestors do lie and sometimes doctors do lie because that can be an advantage for you or they do it just to avoid their personal life.

Some doctors lie, but this is because 'doctors' is a subset of 'people'.
Some people lie. I don't think there is a higher prevalence amongst doctors... and in general, given their profession, you might expect a doctor to be more honest than someone who works in, say, advertising or sales (or politics).

Stay away from the tel-lie-vision doctor and the outlock is better.

Why ask silly rhetorical questions ? When you know the answer to this already.
We're all humans, lieing has saved a whole lot recently,so majority of the world do this on a routine.
So the answer in general is that all professionals do lie irrespective of your status.
Yes, Doctors lie!!

A good laugh as truth changes over time
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The Doctor knows that smoking is not good for the health, that's why we are asked to abstain from smoking, because it damages the kidney. But, maybe he is addicted to it. And we knows how difficult it usually is breaking addiction chain. However, everyone do lie, including Doctors, but I think they have reasons for lying.


If a doctor smokes, that he/her personal life. Although, I understand that it is not right for a doctor to smoke. Because they serve as role model to others. I think it will be more better asking your doctor in a respectful way why he/she engage in smoking, rather than yelling and creating a scene. Doctors are human too, they have feeling just like us.

Doctors are trained to save lives not to be role models, if a doctor is good at his job, his personal life should be of no concern to you, so far as he doesn't smoke while taking diagnosis, if you decide to make their personal live a concern of yours and you can't handle the fact they smoke, change your doctor.

 Back to the question of if doctor's can lie, my personal answer from experience is yes... I'v seen some doctors  add drugs to prescriptions for patients, drugs that they don't need all in a bid to extort more money from a patient.

Ofcourse they are lying, they are humans too.

Most of the doctors lie so much , especially in terms of writing. I came to realize that 1000 peoples die annually due to the doctor's bad hand writting & lie

The answer is very simple, doctors are also human beings. They also have some needs or addictions. A human can become addicted to anything, (i.e: smoking, drinking e.t.c) so it doesn't mean that either their advice is wrong or they are telling a lie.
Please remember this important factor which I have described here and do not reach to any conclusion by your own thought.

The stages of disease management in health are promotive, preventive, curative and rehabilitative. When doctors recommend not smoking, not drinking alcohol etc. it is a form of promotive & preventive action. If the doctor is evil he will not give you preventive and promotive measures so that you continue to take curative actions (treatment) which are much more expensive and much more profitable for doctors and hospitals.
Doctors study, diagnose, analyze and treat diseases because it is their job and they must do it regardless of themselves who have not been able to do it (they are also only human).

Just sick and evil a modern day "Angel of Death" like his compatriot Mengele all those years ago
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The answer is very simple, doctors are also human beings. They also have some needs or addictions.
A human can become addicted of anything, (i.e: smoking, drinking e.t.c) so it doesn't mean that either their advice is wrong or they are telling a lie. Please remember this important factor which I have described here and do not reach to any conclusion by your own thought.

Yes, doctors do lie, especially when it comes to things they usually ask their patient not to eat. I know of an optometrist that have a long list of what should not be eaten in order to keep the eyes healthy but He eats most of those things. Just obey them if you want to be healthy, don't mine what they do or eat.

I don't think doctor's can ever think of to lie,but most atimes their machines detect error,because nothing is perfect.They know they control the life of humans after God and whatever thing they say is been believed as truth,so them lying will be a very bad and worst thing to do.

If  a doctor should lie about something,that means he or she has personal interest on that thing,but generally,I have not seen doctors who lie before.

Doctors don't lie, their profession is what involves life and death. Doctors are the most kind of people I have met who have integrity and discipline. It may be very hard to find the ones who lie.

I’m pretty sure they do quite a bit to get out of actually paying more money than they are allotted per day or something like that? If they referred everyone with bad knees to a knee surgeon I’m sure there’s some quota somewhere where they’d be like 2000 times over and probably get fired for costing the medical company too much money. And also probably for other things like experimentation, referral based stuff, not wanting to be wrong, or hurt the patients feelings too much. I’m sure it is required as part of the job quite a bit and also they probably do out of personal preference and habit quite a bit too.

   Maybe we don't know cause we can not read their mind through out of thinking , but we hope that they are not lying specially right now in time of pandemic.

Proof right here
Some brutal Flu truth from Washington, DC 1918,  Bacillus influenza  (https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Bacillus+influenza)
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In facts,in my own ,opinion,no doctors can give false information for the health to anyone ,can get hurts.If they lie ,they have to right to keep secrets for patient to protect there situations to avoid getting worst.If they will lie,it's depends the situations between patient and doctors.If they lie,have reasonable situations.

You've heard from psychiatrists the dangers of lockdowns causing suicides and drug overdoses, I'm sure.

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1469375764168646658

New York now implementing new mask mandates, and unironically, citing drug overdoses and suicides among other factors. Preventing Covid related suicides by masking up, sounds about right.

I'm sure the "doctors" recommended it, because politicians will only listen to the doctors that coincide with their own political ambitions, ignoring all others.

Doctors don't lie, the ones that actually stick to the medical science (so not any doctor in New York apparently).

As doctor are human beings and human beings are having the nature of lying so doctors do like but they lie in some cases where they need their patients to be healthy and about something that they know that isn't good for human health.
But as in the case doctor was himself addicted to smoking but he was trying to save others from it.

The question is, if somebody in authority tells you that the lie he is telling you is the truth, does that make it the truth? Even if he only says it's the truth, does that make a lie to be the truth for you if you spread it? The Nuremberg Trials seem to say that lies are lies, even if you innocently believe them. You can be punished for telling the absolute truth if you are wrong about it.

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I can't say doctors lies, just that the way they explain things on how someone should stay away from from a diet or something else is as if that thing is very dangerous, Which is not like that.  I don't see why doctor should lie, lying does not worth the profession of a qualify doctor.

Doctors should be model characters. They should not tell a lie to their patients. They avoid smoking, drinking alcohol, etc. They should mot advice to the patients on which they are acting. people want to see their doctor as model one. They should deal with their patients politely and softly. The people come to them in worry and trouble. So they should treat them kindly.

I don't think Doctors lie. They're supposed to follow the hippocratic oath but now that is being "rethought" and no longer required like everything else that is solid is now like a thin sheet of ice...

https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/21/hippocratic-oath-medical-students-doctors/

Overall, I want to think that doctors try to help people and try the best treatments to resolve ailments. However, most of today's modern doctors are merely pill pushing sales people as they are given money and incentives to sell various pharmaceutical medicines which are no cures but rather treatments to a disease or ailment that people subscribe themselves to.

I see doctors as hypocrites who do not do what they say. They say they are all for saving lives and not for the money but they do otherwise not minding the oath. Without money deposited most doctors will not attend to  patients. Again, doctors lie because they are humans and it is in humans to lie. Pastors and priests also lie. It is not just doctors alone.

The Hippocratic Oath is fundamentally at odds with any practical form of socialized medicine since socialized medicine will always be based around the theory of 'greater good.'  Something has to give, and that something is/was the Hippocratic Oath.

The dynamics are basically 'Some people must die so that others can live'.  Under individual doctor/patient models it is not practicable that a doctor operates 'efficiently' except when he/she is a genuine sociopath.  Only a socialized system where medical decisions are made within the administrative chain, and where the decision maker is isolated from the patient, can systematic policy be implemented and resources used 'efficiently'.

The bothersome aspect to me is that most people under 30-ish have accepted or could easily accept that 'the greater good' means saving Mother Gaia from the human infestation which opens up a whole new stage upon which to design and implement medical policy (or program computers to do it.)  I suspect that those 30% who are genuinely hypnotized enough to really buy into the scamdemic and can never change could be convinced to willingly sacrifice themselves on this alter.  And very well may be.  If so; 'bye-bye'.

No doctor that will give you wrong prescription or tell you what is not supportive, doctors does not lie to their patients the will give you information that will help your health and also direct patients for life preservation and maintenance of life,  so i believe that no doctor that is less qualify to do it work.

I know doctors who smoke and drink. I don't blame them. The truth is they must have picked up these habits right from medical school as a coping mechanism or a form of escapism. You know, they are humans too and go through all the stress we undergo. Besides, they work long hours and are likely to see 500 patients in a day. This happens in areas where there's a scarcity of medical personnel. It soon takes a toll on them and their mental health. While some see it as a problem and are seeking help, for others they think nothing can happen to them, are they not doctors?

in my opinion, Doctors don't study medicine , they take studies from the Big Pharma companies. However, they don't lie, they only misguided

Surprising to hear but after God, those on whom our life and death depend and those whom we blindly believe in all our illnesses (doctors) do lie.
Sometimes their lie is a very serious lie and it can be very damaging.
 
I've seen a news some days ago in a renowned newspaper,
**Doctors have been collecting medicine and hospital fees from the patient's family day after day, even after the patient has died a long time ago!

Doesn't that sound horrible?
But a lot of such things happen.

Let me tell you another incident,
**Taking advantage of the ignorance of the rural people who are not well educated, the doctors misappropriated a lot of money by showing their false reports.

I am really disappointed with the condition of these doctors. It's not like everyone is corrupt, A short number of doctors. Hopefully one day their good sense will rise.

Before to share my opinion of this question i would like to ,say something,SOMETIME KEEPING SECRETS IS TO PROTECT SOMEONE TO BE AFRAID OF THAT SITUATION HE /SHE,TO BE ABLE to comfort someone in danger situations.For the Dortors,to lied  sometimes there choices to protect there patients but for the whole family someone representative they can tell the truth,so  expressing to lie is not just you wanted.

I have seen doctors who lie,simply because he is offered money to lie.Most atimes human being seems to make doctors take the position of God in their lives,because they so much believe that doctor's are next to God since they treat people who are about to die of illness,and they get well.

Another reason why a doctor can lie is because he has seen so many people either faint,die or any other thing after being told truth,so they chose to lie in other to save lives.

I have been a Christian preacher for sometime now.  Everyday I teach most people the words of Jesus and I encourage them to listen and obey them them. But most times I fail to do what I teach. Doctors are humans and have feelings and emotions. Humans are imperfect, hence are bound to fall below standard, which includes lying. 

Yes, this is it. The topic could be retitled "Do you think people lie?", to which the answer is "People lie sometimes. Some people lie more often than others."

I would think that doctors lie far less than people in other occupations, certainly in countries where healthcare is free. Our default state is to tell the truth, in order to lie you need an incentive to do so. This can be as small as not wanting to have an awkward conversation, it could be to hide an indiscretion or bad decision, but it could also be in order to gain something, which could be enhanced reputation, or could be money. In our society, money is a powerful incentive... so professions where lying is more common are likely to be those where lying can lead to profit, so things like sales and advertising.

I agree, just because one has knowledge about something doesn't necessarily mean they will apply that same knowledge on their own body and life as well, I mean, everyone knows the dangers of smoking and it doesn't need a doctor to know about the dangers it comes with and still people smoke, I guess it's absolutely bad to judge a doctor by what his own lifestyle is, his advises should be followed and not his own life!

In some countries doctors are parasites who you never should trust.

Doctors are all human they are not different from me and you so they do lie as well also remember they do live on Earth and around us too they are likely to do what we all do too so it nothing new. They will also play their path in your life telling you the good and bad, what to avoid and what not to, it their job they are doing, is what they are born for and study for.

In most societies 'healers' and 'shaman/priests' tend to be associated if not the same thing.  They tend to be the high-IQ and/or sexually confused weirdos of society, both of which have an upper hand in understanding psychology enough to use it to their advantage.

In the modern technological era, which is dominated by scientism, 'scientific experts' have displaced the shamanistic spiritual elements, but the practitioners fill the identical gap for the sheeple.  Their own personal peculiarities transferred over from the 'spiritual elite' to the 'scientific elite' almost perfectly.

What I find fascinating is that the propensity for child sacrifice also transferred over as above.  I see very little difference between a Babylonian 'expert' who burnt children on a golden bull, and Aztec 'expert' to ripped out the heart of kids then threw them down a pyramid, or a hostpitalist or public health 'expert' who injects the mRNA de-pop injection into a 5-year-old kid.  Or 6 month year old when Gates has paid off some more 'public health experts'.

Even more interesting is the fact that the sheeple will happily and frantically offer up their kids to these 'experts'.  I don't doubt that the same people in the same proportions were running to the sacrificial ceremony, kids in tow, in all three instances.

It depends on the country, in some countries the so called doctors resemble butchers and lieing is the least you should expect from them.

No,I don't think they lie because they are doing the job they practice,especially qwhat they've learnt,and are also operating on human life,so I don't really see them lying or think they can lie.
But if they should lie,I believe they must have a personal reason why that should happen,may be because they are scared of telling a patient their actual result after consulting a test on them,maybe they know if they tell them the truth,they might collapse or faint,so avoiding that, might lead to a lie.

everyone lies, there is not a single human being who is clean from lies, even if it's a doctor
but it's good if the doctor suggests what can reduce our disease, we follow it, and vice versa if the doctor provides an unreasonable solution it can be refuted or ignored

Some doctors lie, but not all . They prescribe you medicines that are very expensive, although the same disease could be cured by medicines with less money.

it's not about doctors lying. because doctors are professions. but more to each individual who becomes a doctor.

not everyone who becomes a doctor does the things you mentioned above like smoking and so on.
there are also many doctors who really maintain a healthy lifestyle.

You just happen to see individuals who are not paying attention to their own healthy lifestyle who are doctors by profession.

A healthy lifestyle is not only the doctor's obligation but everyone's obligation.

but life is a choice

We want to live healthy or not, it's your choice. and do not imitate people who choose to leave a healthy lifestyle.


and a person who works as a doctor is also a human being who has choices.

but it would be wise if a doctor did not show bad behavior in front of patients. because it makes the doctor's good image bad.

By right,doctors were not suppose to lie,because after God,they are the second people that man needs because they deal with human lives,and as such are not suppose lie because of anything.But these days,you find out that doctor's lie alot just for their selfish interest as well.
Some patients are lied to,for them to give them money,whereas it is not suppose to be so,they are suppose to keep their good name,and know that at that point in time,the patient's life lies in their hand.

  It's true nowadays are very practical they never think what the outcome but they just keep dignity safe and clean. I agree some Doctors are lying they are inhumane but some are not cause they believe people are precious and not just little thing .

Doctors are human being's right?
This is more of a rhetorical question, cause I know you know what you're asking!
If all humans lie then all doctors lie one way or the other to save their jobs.

Doctors are also humans, and everyone one lie sometimes, but he knows the condition of your health, so it's better to do what he tells you and forget about what he does.

This is a well inculcated statement of faith, and often not true.  At all.

Even 'good' doctors with no ulterior motives can and do get fooled all the time.  It's simply not very easy to accurately diagnose a lot of conditions.  They make educated guesses, and a 'good' doctor is 'good' at doing this.

Most doctors are not 'good', and a good number are flat out evil.  I would not have used the word 'most' prior to the scamdemic but do now without hesitation.  They have been through many years of training which instills in them the belief that they are intellectual and infallible demigods among the masses, or at the very least should project that picture out of duty to order.  Since, as mentioned above, most of the rest of society views them in just this manner, it is easy to maintain this mindset.  And since most hospitalists have an easy and automated job (choose most desirable of the plausible diagnosees -> prescribe listed drugs for it -> go to golf course), it is easy to go with the flow.  In fact, it is professionally impossible NOT to.

Some doctors may lie because of a treatment or surgical work that does not go well with them, in this situation the only option they have is to lie so that they get any queries from the management that can make them to loose their job. Doctors lies if they find themselves in a critical condition.

Do you know we all are humans? Sometimes the body do requires what is not good for our health. The doctors are not lying about this, smoking is not a bad thing but the problem here is that it has great effect on our body organs than what we enjoys from it. It can cause cancer, affects our internal organs and many more. This is the reason while consistent smoking can shorten our lives. Naturally, we are all smokers. We smoke almost everyday from different combustions that come from cars, factories, burning, etc.

I general i think doctors don't lie.. however i am from India over here healthcare system is very fragmented. So there are doctors who compromise on ethics to make money.
They make priscription costly to earn money at least or at most i have heard dead patients kept on ventilator to make extra bucks.
But i can't corrborate these facts.

All doctors lie,  they lie in everything that has to do with their profession, why on earth will doctors write what their patient can't read unless they take it to another doctor or pharmacist? The last time I visited the hospital, I was shocked when I was told by another doctor that one of the drugs the doctor asked me to pay huge amount for was vitamin c but in his write up that I couldn't pronounce nor read was ascorbic acid. Doctors lie to much and they need to stop that.

Doctors are not perfect, they are humans who are vulnerable to making mistakes too. But then let's not forget that this is a profession like any other like being a banker or lawyer, they give instructions on how to live a better life and stay healthy based on what they have been taught, but that doesn't mean that they must live a flawless life.

We all have things we are battling with and for you to have seen a doctor smoking knowing fully well the side effects of doing so, it may be a challenge he or she is battling with. Let's not assume that they are all liars, some are just struggling like we are too and that is why some persons will say do as I say not do as I do.

Do you think Doctors lie?


If this includes unintentional lies...

Doctors lie all the time. They don't have time, with all those patients, to go through all the stuff they learn from the researchers. They simply believe it (or not). But they tell it the way they learned it, truth or not.



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Doctors do their very best to make everyone safe and in good health,Doctors might forget to inform his patient on things to avoid ,thing's to do or not to do,when a patient constantly facing different illness it becomes very unfocused for a doctor to adequately pass on exact information or advice due to often reoccurance of the patients different illnesses ,this wouldn't be considered as lie due to workload and frequent development that cant be ascertained or predicted. DOCTOR are Angels on earth.

Every human being lie either to safe themselves from any negative repercussions or at their own will. Because I smoke doesn’t mean I won’t tell you the negative effect of it. Is now left for you to believe me and distance yourself from it but if you still wanna go ahead I can’t stop you. Not all people that preach about good things are actually saints, they might one way or the other fighting themselves to stop it and educating the public to stay away from it because of its repercussions they might be currently dealing with, just because they couldn’t prevent themselves from starting it initially..

I support this motion because you need to be a human to have the tendency to lie. Let's observe the rate of mortality is recorded, some  doctors falsify figures or verdict in hospitals just to suit whom? The human nature and conscience.
 Citing the case of the doctor going out for a smoke, it's kind of funny as you find that these individuals warn that smokers are liable to die young, is a typical example of irony. But then, their jobs are to give out information which in most cases are true.

It has long been proven that doctors collude with pharmaceutical companies, and by and large they do not cure, but only make it worse

since is human created by God is not trusted because human being have questionable character and the character will remain until the person dies, doctors tell lies especially when they notice that you come to their hospital with out money and doctors knows how to tell lies to discharge patient that is not credible of making payments required payment. For the smoking i don't think smoking is offence for medical practioners

Why in the hell not! Why won't it shouldn't doctors lie!! In fact, I think doctors are very good liers. You know practically, you can't lie to someone that doesn't trust you and that's a fact. When you aren't trusted then, it would take a lot of convincing and logical analogy but, when your in a trusted position, the case is different.
Doctors are in the position  of truth because, they took an oath and besides, your unwell and often put yourself in there hands for the recovery process. This is by far the most trust you can give a person and at times to make a patient feel better and enjoy the most time possible, they tend to tell a lie by hiding the seriousness of the health situation although, they could confide in there family.

Do you think Doctors lie?


"Dead Doctors Don't lie" is the name of a book that has to do with nutritional health and supplementing. However, if a dead doctor is buried rather than being cremated, s/he lies... in the grave.



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Doctors can lie base on the patience demand of what the have
Orh problem that occurred.
They're also human that might make a mistake in order to get what the want in a certain time.

humans decide if they want long term health where they are still fit when they retire. or enjoy life now.
most people dont care about what happens to them when they are 70, so they are not in a mindset to care about lifestyle of 70+.
you know. why be strict with yourself for 50 years of adulthood just to live 10 more years when your too old to date/have sex/skydive/climb a mountain.

most doctors actually care less about their health simply because they have more access to medical procedures. they can literally get any test they like by asking a colleague to do a check many times a year. where as normal people have to be on waiting lists and only get a check once every 10 years.
so doctors can find problems with themselves early and get them fixed and have a better survival rate simply by being inside the system to get the checks and procedures early. thus they dont have to worry as much.

many citizens dont find out they have cancer until its too late like 5years into having cancer. where as doctors would get a check from their OH(occupational health) plan if they had a continual cough. within the first 3 months



1. there is some vegetation that is actually poison. we learn over thousands of years what to stay away from. try licking poison ivy and tell me all vegetation is good... enjoy the pain in finding out not all vegetation is god for us..

2. humans are not herbivorous. cows are.
humans are mono-gastric stomachs. meaning we cannot process/digest much cellulose food materials such as grasses/green vegetation.
(its why we fart and have indigestion and burp when eating brussel sprouts, cabbage) we can process the fibre of wheat, but not the wheat germ as well..

preserved/process food is not the problem of the meat. its the salts, germs, viruses and bacteria involved in the processing/preserving(or lack of) method that our guts do not like.
cooking food is a good process to kill the germs, bacteria/viruses..
processed food is not a dietary aid. its a business tool to lengthen shelf life for business profits(less waste to trash if it lasts longer in shops)

living a vegan diet is unhealthy. the amount of veg you need to eat just to get to the amount of iron and protein requirement is something unachievable. thats why these grains/veg/greens end up needing to be fortified(additives/supplements added)

a balanced diet of meat for the 'metallic'(iron magnesium,zinc) and protein nutrients. and veg for the vitamin nutrients is the best answer.
moderation(small portions) of a varied diet is better then bloating yourself with large portions of only a section of food types.

trust your tastebuds.. if something needs an additive to make it worthy of eating. your body doesnt want it naturally.
EG if your bread only tastes good with jam/butter or ham.. then dont eat the bread.
if you can only eat meat if its spiced up gravy or sauce added. dont eat it.

learn to trust your cravings.
i enjoy meat and veg. but certain times of the year i can crave a steak. then i can crave vegetables. trust your gut and your tastebuds.
if i eat too much steak i lose the enjoyment for it. and then my body enjoys lamb or chicken more. its our bodies way of saying it has had too much of one type of nutrient.

our evolution from ape to human was due to eating meat. due to our ancestors trying different foodgroups. and finding out what they crave more or spit out.

the iodine in fish grew our thyroid gland which turned 'cretins' into humans
take away the iodine and the thyroid gland and we devolve into caveman

do some research on mono-gastric stomach, thyroid, pituitary and the whole human biology. and realise what types of nutrients those things need that separate us from a cow

I don't like lie in any form.. especially my doctor.
he/she is the people i trust most in term of my health, if i had something in terms of my health (even cancer), he must tell the truth no matter what..

It's pretty amusing, actually, to see how so many people have such blind faith in and reverence for 'doctors.'  They can, for this reason, get away with practically anything.  Dr. Larry Nasser used to molest his patients right in front of their parents for Chirst's sake, and got away with it for like 18 years!

Doctors are also human being like all of us and telling lie is natural and there are many reasons behind it ,one of them is marketing expensive  products for monetral benefits from pharmaceutical companies while low cost medecines can treat the same disease. Although morally it is never acceptable but it happens every where in particulars countries where democracy is not very  strong and people are rarely held accountable for corrupt practices.

   Only doctor know about everything if they are hiding or not but we're hoping that Doctors are telling the truth . Specially In Covid 19 we don't know or maybe if this would be true or not .

Doctors are also human and are very capable of Lying. That doesn't mean you shouldn't listen and follow their advice and guidance on your health. A doctor having a smoke break will still advise you not to smoke and the consequences it has on your lungs.

This is the truth,doctor's lie as well,they cover so many things from the their patient,sometimes we feel they lie to protect them emotionally so that they will not overthink which will cause another major problem in their mental health. But sometimes,they make mistakes,and we feel they are lying to us not knowing it's not intentional.
Doctor's are seen as our second God,and so people have a very high expectations of them.