SOLUTION TO KNOW IF SATOSHI NAKAMOTO IS REALLY DEAD....

[cfbtcman]

Everybody can read this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5070171

Lets change the time to delete old blocks with no transactions for the number of years we want to know the answer to that question, if real Satoshi was Hal Finney and he is really dead or if it is Craig Wright or someone else, he needs to move the money and we can assist.

Who rules the bitcoin blockchain, is Satoshi?
No, we rule it !

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[pooya87]

you have already received your answer in that topic.

basically you are saying we should break bitcoin and turn it into shit just because YOU think Satoshi is dead and those coins are lost!!! well you are not allowed to do this. if we start doing it then the next day i would find YOUR addresses and decide that YOUR coins are lost because they weren't touched for more than 1 hour and decide that we should burn them. will you accept it?

[cfbtcman]

I accept it, lets do it 

Like somebody said, the dead man dont need bitcoins, the alive miners need it, look to the hashrate:

https://www.blockchain.com/pt/charts/hash-rate

Maybe with this we could shut up Craig Wright trying to bluff about putting bitcoin in $1000.

Somebody wrote that the banks close the accounts after 7 years without cashout, we could do that too, look the genesis address:

https://www.blockchain.com/pt/btc/address/1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa

Is not been moved at almost 10 years, so, lets do it 10 years, maybe next year we have sure Satoshi was not Hal Finney and that he is alive and watching.

Could be fun 

[Gloverwrt]

It is not going to be done. Bitcoin does not want to with the banks protocol, it is decentralized.
And you can't simply make a suggestion on this platform and expect it to be acted on by anyone.
And there is no point debating over the identity of Satoshi.

[Marshall14]

Your proposal in my opinion makes no sense at all,how do we have to go through such measures just to confirm who satoshi is, or if he/she/they are dead...
The system is working quite well without nakamoto,and that's probably why he left to stay anonymous..
So the system will remain truly decentralized,just as it is at the moment

[Tamilson]

Forgive me but this is ridiculous, just because you want to know if Nakamoto is really dead, you'll ruin everything. Don't you think you're acting like a child? Even though bitcoin is far away from being perfect but it's still work perfectly fine. I think what you need right now is to take a break and don't over analyzing things.

Thank me later buddy.

[Pursuer]

one of the main reasons why bitcoin was created was to have a currency system that gives you the chance of being your own bank and be in full control of your own money and do with it whatever you choose to do. and this is true for everyone, creator, developer, average Joe, scammer Craig,... and nobody should ever be allowed to change that and make decisions for them no matter who they are and how much bitcoin they own. if we start changing that then everything will fall apart.

[cfbtcman]

1 st

Is not only about know if Satoshi is alive or not, bitcoin blockchain have a problem, if i die tomorrow my bitcoins will be lost forever, if i loose my PK the bitcoins will be lost forever...

Other problem, if you have 1 Satoshi in one account you cant took that Satoshi out, because you need to pay minimum fee bigger than that Satoshi.
With time many many coins could get back to circulation or else be lost forever...

Try to tell this to a bitcoin newbie or a crypto-ignorant and ask him if he thinks this is a good solution, he will say immediatly that prefer to have the money in the bank, that is more safety.

Exists one thing called Murphys Law, with time a lot of people will lost bitcoins, that happens to people i convinced to use bitcoins already, that happens everyday, with time that will be more and more rare and more and more a saving of value.

You want bitcoin to be used or to be a safe of value?
I vote in to be used, if cannot be used we dont need it, we have gold yet!


2 nd

Im not talking about catching the money to Satoshi Nakamoto or Craig Wright or anybody else, im talking about a solution that forces the user to move bitcoin from one address to another from 10 to 10 years!

Even banks do that and we cannot say that banks only have bad things and bitcoin needs to be different in everythink.

It just tests if people is dead or alive or lost PK or not, that keeps beeing descentralized, nothing changes.


3 rd

We will know if Satoshi Nakamoto was Hal Finney or not (that is a bonus)!

To the ones dont know who was Hal Finney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJs1R3Oju9A

[HODL2090]

1 st

Is not only about know if Satoshi is alive or not, bitcoin blockchain have a problem, if i die tomorrow my bitcoins will be lost forever, if i loose my PK the bitcoins will be lost forever...

No it won't be, as long as you back up your wallet and keep it in asecure place.
I have seen an instance where a man kept his backup phrase as an inheritance for his kids and they are only allowed to access it after his death.

You can employ a lawyer if you want to be very formal about it.

That's not a problem with Bitcoin.

[mk4]

1 st

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Bitcoin is still in it's very early stages. I assume there will be better solutions on handling private keys in the future.

There's nothing you can do with transaction fees. Without transaction fees, the mempool will be spammed to oblivion. But wait till the lightning network is ready, then we'll see.

2 nd

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Why should you care what people want to do with their money? If they want to spend, let them spend. If they want to hold, let them hold. And how is that keeping bitcoin from being decentralized?

tldr; let people do what they want to do with their money

3 rd

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You people should stop being too obsessed on who Satoshi is. Thank him for his creation, then let him be. Like what the hell. He/she/they wanted to remain anonymous for a reason.

Also, learn how to quote replies.

[Sama517]

Everybody can read this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5070171

Lets change the time to delete old blocks with no transactions for the number of years we want to know the answer to that question, if real Satoshi was Hal Finney and he is really dead or if it is Craig Wright or someone else, he needs to move the money and we can assist.

Who rules the bitcoin blockchain, is Satoshi?
No, we rule it !

I just read the post on the link. You made some good points. We cannot just fold our hands and watch some coins disappear forever due to death of the owner. The 100 years you proposed may even be too long. As for me, I would propose an inactive wallet of 50 years.

[cfbtcman]

Everybody can read this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5070171

Lets change the time to delete old blocks with no transactions for the number of years we want to know the answer to that question, if real Satoshi was Hal Finney and he is really dead or if it is Craig Wright or someone else, he needs to move the money and we can assist.

Who rules the bitcoin blockchain, is Satoshi?
No, we rule it !

I just read the post on the link. You made some good points. We cannot just fold our hands and watch some coins disappear forever due to death of the owner. The 100 years you proposed may even be too long. As for me, I would propose an inactive wallet of 50 years.

100 years or 50 years seems perfect to me, the most important is to recover lost coins, Satoshi choosed 21 millions for a reason, so, we should be using always the 21 millions.

But this way we recover the coins from firts blocks (blocks with more than X years old) and we can delete them shrinking blockchain space, but as less years we configure, faster we recover lost money and faster we shrink blockchain size giving more efficiency to the system.

Imagine a management software in one enterprise for invoices, all the years the database is shrinked because starts from beggining, so 10 years for me should me OK, next year we will have 10 years since the genesis address transaction and the Satoshis 50 BTC were not moved yet, if he is rich and dont need the money or is really dead, lets take that money for developers or Bitcoin Foundation.

Bitcoin needs developers, we are staying back because there is no money for developers, Elizabeth Starks says there is no developers for Lightning Network, they work for free!

There is altcoins that are paying developers with coins, bitcoin its all free, so nobody wants to work in the system, Satoshi abandoned (maybe now is making BCHSV), Gavin Andressen... Lets get funds for developers and make bitcoin great again!

[cfbtcman]

1 st

Is not only about know if Satoshi is alive or not, bitcoin blockchain have a problem, if i die tomorrow my bitcoins will be lost forever, if i loose my PK the bitcoins will be lost forever...

No it won't be, as long as you back up your wallet and keep it in asecure place.
I have seen an instance where a man kept his backup phrase as an inheritance for his kids and they are only allowed to access it after his death.

You can employ a lawyer if you want to be very formal about it.

That's not a problem with Bitcoin.

My PK is in a safe place, the actual system for me its OK, like Satoshi says, we should not trust anyone, not even in banks or laywers and the system is perfect meanwhile im alive, if i die by accident or even without accident, my bitcoins would lost forever as same as the Satoshi Bitcoins if he really was Hal Finney.

That is not problem for Hal Finney or for me when i be dead, its problem for bitcoin network, if the people dies or lost Private Keys, someday bitcoin would be just like gold and not used anymore.

[cfbtcman]

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Bitcoin is still in it's very early stages. I assume there will be better solutions on handling private keys in the future.

There's nothing you can do with transaction fees. Without transaction fees, the mempool will be spammed to oblivion. But wait till the lightning network is ready, then we'll see.

2 nd

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Why should you care what people want to do with their money? If they want to spend, let them spend. If they want to hold, let them hold. And how is that keeping bitcoin from being decentralized?

tldr; let people do what they want to do with their money

3 rd

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You people should stop being too obsessed on who Satoshi is. Thank him for his creation, then let him be. Like what the hell. He/she/they wanted to remain anonymous for a reason.

Also, learn how to quote replies.

Bitcon have 10 years, too much time to scale and not scaled yet, its a shame like says Roger Ver.

We all have our faith in LN that many important people says that will not work and the most important engineers work for free.
Bitcoin Foundation dont have money, lives from 10€/month each partner sends them and if you ask them some money to start a bitcoin project they say they dont have, so, why not to take the money that is lost to finance bitcoin evolution?

We are loosing in this moment for the altcoins, loosing bad, they are kicking our ass, they even talk about his coins in this forum called "Bitcointalk", we need to fight back and fast or else we will loose the war.

[Red-Apple]

lets describe what you are doing for what you are really doing and don't call it something that it is not. you are trying to remove permissionlessness of bitcoin and that is not something that anybody would agree with. i have coins that are very old, from the first days that i started using bitcoin and i have no plans on spending them. you want to force me to spend them and i won't accept that change.

and that is how changes work with bitcoin. you have to get the whole decentralized network to accept your change before they do it and majority won't like this change.
you can however create an altcoin and implement your ideas (like what Chalie Lee did with his ideas and created LTC) and see how many would go for it.

[cfbtcman]

lets describe what you are doing for what you are really doing and don't call it something that it is not. you are trying to remove permissionlessness of bitcoin and that is not something that anybody would agree with. i have coins that are very old, from the first days that i started using bitcoin and i have no plans on spending them. you want to force me to spend them and i won't accept that change.

and that is how changes work with bitcoin. you have to get the whole decentralized network to accept your change before they do it and majority won't like this change.
you can however create an altcoin and implement your ideas (like what Chalie Lee did with his ideas and created LTC) and see how many would go for it.

I dont want to force you to spend that coins, i want to force you to move that coins to another address and say: "IM ALIVE" no matter who you are!
But as i said before, like many others, (maybe the most of guys) you are one holder, holders that dont trust the banks, dont give Private Keys to wifes or girlfriends, its easier to trust a bank than a woman (i hope Elizabets Starks dont read this post or else we will not have LN not even next century) so, if you have one accident and you die (hope that will never happen) maybe you/we can lost the bitcoins forever, so, it could be very nice we recover that coins for a special address owned by developers, Bitcoin Foundation or simply send the coins for mining rewards because many of developers are miners too.

That dont seem good to you?

Im a bitcoin holder and enthusiastic too, maybe more than you, im against all the guys that support any other coin that not bitcoin, i think we need to win the crypto battle agains FIAT money altogether, just after that we can start to play the game "My coin is better than your", but, in some point, when i see guys like Roger Ver giving this type of interviews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSbPz4g9rZQ i understand his frustration and maybe why he starts a new path.

Its more than obvious that bitcoin need to scale and need to upgrade block size, even with LN block size will not be sufficient, correction, specially when we have LN we will need bigger block size, because in this moment we dont need, we will need only when we have LN.

LN will generate a plus of INCHAIN<->OFFCHAIN transactions to open and close chanels that will not fit in actual block size, so, what are we waiting for to fork, that bitcoin comes to $0 ?

I will never start a altcoin, im a bitcoiner forever, thats why im losting time here trying to help, this idea can helps to finance and support developers, so if the developers start to lost interest in bitcoin because they work for free, maybe this can help, who works well should always get return.

The future of bitcoin is in the new developers, the old developers are rich and start to go out, the new developers dont have a lot of bitcoins as the old ones, so, how will we finance new developers like for example Elizabeth Starks etc that is trying to develop LN?

My idea could be a good solution for that.

[muslol67]

Everybody can read this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5070171

Lets change the time to delete old blocks with no transactions for the number of years we want to know the answer to that question, if real Satoshi was Hal Finney and he is really dead or if it is Craig Wright or someone else, he needs to move the money and we can assist.

Who rules the bitcoin blockchain, is Satoshi?
No, we rule it !

We don't need any solution. Satoshi has created a big game. We are only playing it in Satoshi's rule ( It may has changed). We don't need solution, we need work on problems what is going on market. Like energy consumption, transfer speed... We have a great structre. We have to develop it someway.

[Coyster]

Who rules the bitcoin blockchain, is Satoshi?
No, we rule it !

The more reason why we shouldn't worry our pretty heads about who satoshi is or if he/she is dead,as it'll add nothing to the system..
Numerous investigations have been made about that without any valuable results,so I think leaving things the way they are is absolutely the most reasonable option,plus your ideas about the discovery into his/her identity is rather queer and unnecessary

[cynical]

Everybody can read this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5070171

Lets change the time to delete old blocks with no transactions for the number of years we want to know the answer to that question, if real Satoshi was Hal Finney and he is really dead or if it is Craig Wright or someone else, he needs to move the money and we can assist.

Who rules the bitcoin blockchain, is Satoshi?
No, we rule it !

No we dont change the blockchain and delete old blocks.
Stop talking about CW, just stop!

Regarding The blocks Satoshi mined, his reward is his not mine abd certainly not yours.
We dont need to know who SN is or where that person is, it does not matter, bitcoin matters.

I cannot believe how some people think.

[mk4]

Bitcon have 10 years, too much time to scale and not scaled yet, its a shame like says Roger Ver.
this moment for the altcoins, loosing bad, they are kicking our ass, they even talk about his coins in this forum called "Bitcointalk", we need to fight back and fast or else we will loose the war.

Bitcoin suddenly boomed up hence bitcoin didn't scale well. Now though? While not yet totally ready for microtrasactions, bitcoin is working fine. I could easily send BTC with only a fee of a few cents. Not to mention LN is moving fast. To be honest, most of the people that are saying that bitcoin is slow are the ones who doesn't actually use bitcoin to transact.

We all have our faith in LN that many important people says that will not work and the most important engineers work for free.
Bitcoin Foundation dont have money, lives from 10€/month each partner sends them and if you ask them some money to start a bitcoin project they say they dont have, so, why not to take the money that is lost to finance bitcoin evolution?

And where did you get those information? Can you point me to sources to prove these points?

We are loosing in this moment for the altcoins, loosing bad, they are kicking our ass, they even talk about his coins in this forum called "Bitcointalk", we need to fight back and fast or else we will loose the war.

If you think bitcoin is losing to altcoins then you simply don't understand bitcoin, and you're just probably one of those people who think that transaction fees are the only important factor in having a successful cryptocurrency. Even all the altcoins combined are still significantly dwarfed by bitcoin in terms of everything.