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November 18, 2018, 11:09:39 AM
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  English is a very widely recognised and accepted language it's use in most officially activities regardless of the number of different countries involved and bitcointalk forum I feel is not an exception to that.
  Although the forum from my own observation have tried in tackling this issue by creating local boards needless to say that this has been helpful to many but still there are some hurdles I think that available.
  Some countries like mine has various ethnic languages and it's practically impossible for them to be on the forum list.  Although our country official language is English some  are poor in there command of English so decides to hide in their snail shell.
   Also the very enlightened member mostly communicate in English although some of them are from other countries but they command good English and can only help there own local board and the English section (normal forum language) this can deprive others of there immense contributions.
 
  I really don't have a solution to this problem of my own but I bumped into a thread of beginners and help and followed a link and the idea and concept is quite significant to improve the communication in the forum.
http://fittotalk.com/english-talk/index.php.
 This would really help so many that are scared to express themselves.

PS. So many has the idea but lack the communication skills
  

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November 18, 2018, 11:12:42 AM
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Why don't you post it in Help and Beginners? It's nothing about the forum, therefore, it isn't fit to be in meta.
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November 18, 2018, 11:19:17 AM
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As I've been advised this post is more suited for the beginners'and help board.
But to address the thread. The basic use of English language is essential on any international platform. And people should aspire to be able to communicate in it (you don't particularly have to be fluent.

This forum doesn't offer classes on English, so this is not a forum issue. And you don't expect other members to start English classes.
There are so many of those for members willing to learn.

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November 18, 2018, 11:19:57 AM
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I disagree on that.poor language communication are not perculier to newbies  . And besides was wondering if the forum can make it an official section

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November 18, 2018, 11:21:18 AM
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Just as you stated the obvious,the community is a varsely large one, comprising of various individuals from various countries with various native languages..
That being said,just like"you"said the forum hence has created local boards,in order to be user--friendly and quell the language barrier issue..
Also individuals on the forum aren't espected to speak pure queens/kings Grin English,the major issue is coherence,which makes your text readable/understandable..

If one isn't coherent in his/her post, how then do you expect others users to understand and act upon such posts...
The right thing for such user would be to stick on their local boards while trying to develop his/her English..
And this days the internet has made it so easy to do that, there are tons and tons of YouTube videos,as well as online grammar lessons that could brush up ones English rather quicker than before..

The forum shouldn't always be the one to help us solve our problems,we are here to discuss,not to hand out English lessons
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November 18, 2018, 11:27:25 AM
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Just as you stated the obvious,the community is a varsely large one, comprising of various individuals from various countries with various native languages..
That being said,just like"you"said the forum hence has created local boards,in order to be user--friendly and quell the language barrier issue..
Also individuals on the forum aren't espected to speak pure queens/kings Grin English,the major issue is coherence,which makes your text readable/understandable..

If one isn't coherent in his/her post, how then do you expect others users to understand and act upon such posts...
The right thing for such user would be to stick on their local boards while trying to develop his/her English..
And this days the internet has made it so easy to do that, there are tons and tons of YouTube videos,as well as online grammar lessons that could brush up ones English rather quicker than before..

The forum shouldn't always be the one to help us solve our problems,we are here to discuss,not to hand out English lessons
You have a good command of English you are gaining from the forum you don't have to be so unconcerned about other people. And like I said some languages are not on the local board

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November 18, 2018, 12:10:43 PM
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Exactly.

There are thousands of potential resources on the internet for improving your English skills. Free books, videos, recordings, exercise, lessons, apps, etc. There are several threads that have been created with links to these resources, and Jet Cash has started an entirely separate forum to aid users to improve their English skills. There are literally thousands of users here with incomprehensible English, and at present, Fit To Talk has 72 members. We cannot force them to learn, and it is not our responsibility to teach them. These users can either make use of the plethora of resources available to improve their English, or they can post in their local board in their native language.

Marshall14's English isn't perfect, but it is easily understandable, and that's the important thing. The issue is with posts that I read 3 or 4 times and still cannot make head nor tail of. The onus is on the poster to be comprehensible, not on the reader to decipher what is trying to be said.

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November 18, 2018, 12:25:41 PM
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It's not the reader's job to comprehend the incomprehensible.

At least native English speakers are vastly more forgiving of imperfect use of the language since so many different people use it. Try that in most other languages and no one will forgive it.

I don't care how good or bad someone's English is as long as they can make their point in a coherent manner. If they use google translate to do it you can ALWAYS tell they don't, and can't, understand how their writing emerges.


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November 18, 2018, 12:29:49 PM
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Thanks for the mention of the Fit to Talk project.

I started it for two reasons - one was to help members from "emerging economies" to improve their English communication skills. This will help Bitcoin to become a global store of wealth for other than the wealthy bankers.

Another reason was more for my personal interest. I'm anti the deep state that has morphed from the old British Empire, and I would like to know more about the countries that are being destroyed and taken over by this new banking/pharma elite. Obvious examples are Greece and Venezuela. I hope that Bitcoin Talk members in these countries can start threads about their local economic conditions, and how crypto currencies are helping them to cope with economic disadvantages. These threads can be posted on the political board here, and hopefully they will stimulate some good discussions.

Members who are unsure of their English can make a starter post in Fit to Talk, and we can optimise it for subsequent posting in Bitcoin Talk. You will get full credit for creating these topics. You shouldn't use Google translate to create threads for Bitcoin Talk, but, as we are more interested in your opinion, you are allowed to do this on FtT. The sanitised post can then be copied onto a Bitcoin Talk board. To avoid charges of plagiarism, we insist that you use your Bitcon Talk name to join Fit to Talk.

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November 18, 2018, 12:41:05 PM
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 Some countries like mine has various ethnic languages and it's practically impossible for them to be on the forum list.  Although our country official language is English some 

The government of your country has already solved the problem of many ethnic languages by making english language country's official language so did administrators of bitcointalk. What's left, is for each users who aren't good at writing english should leverage the internet and learn how to do so for easier and better communication on forum. Participating on forum via just your local board will limit the experience the forum has to offer.

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November 18, 2018, 01:00:43 PM
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I joined Fit to Talk few months ago and it really helped me to harness my English literacy. I am from a 3rd World country and speaking or writing English Language is difficult. I really felt the struggle because I am an English illiterate, I am not able to talk to other people because of language barrier but with the help of Jet Cash forum I really learned a lot. I am still learning English Language, read lots of book as well as watching English Grammar Lessons. Smiley
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November 18, 2018, 02:05:29 PM
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I joined Fit to Talk few months ago and it really helped me to harness my English literacy. I am from a 3rd World country and speaking or writing English Language is difficult. I really felt the struggle because I am an English illiterate, I am not able to talk to other people because of language barrier but with the help of Jet Cash forum I really learned a lot. I am still learning English Language, read lots of book as well as watching English Grammar Lessons. Smiley

Well from your post you have obviously improves a lot.
I don't know at wuat level you were before. But without putting it out, no one would doubt that you are not a native English speaker/writer.

Having clearly understandable posts on the forum would surely improve discussions. And allow everyone join in without any language limitations.

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November 18, 2018, 02:21:13 PM
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Having clearly understandable posts on the forum would surely improve discussions. And allow everyone join in without any language limitations.
Definitely it will,and most times its not just about how polished ones English is,but about ample knowledge on the topic being discussed,thats the two major issues we are currently facing on the forum
Delving into discussions,with no on--topic reply,and no knowledge of what is being said is obviously as harmful/inimical as a poorly constructed post
It's even more woeful when a user faults in both
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November 18, 2018, 04:32:00 PM
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Lack of knowledge in writing or speaking English cannot be solve, I mean it can be solved but it depends on the person. As we can see, although English is the main language used here, there are still some people who can't speak English fluently and can't even bother to improve their English vocabulary as they only seeks for money. In this forum, those who were only interested to learn are the ones who improves. That's why it is not too necessary to force them to learn, they will do it by themselves if they really want to. Also, there are already a lot of threads and links here that might help them, the only problem is their laziness. Fittotalk project was always and already been there for those people who wanted to learn but as I observed since the time I joined Ftt, there are only few people who were interested in learning English. Most of the people here are only here for the sake of money (I assumed). Those are the bunches of spammers and twitbook spammers.

However, it's been a long time since I last visited Bitcointalk, I wonder if these spammers already decreased by time.

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November 18, 2018, 07:12:35 PM
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On my local board, I’ve come across comments on how some people refrain from posting as frequently as they would like to do on the general English sections, not so much because of a lack of reasonable knowledge of the English language (though not effortless), but because of a certain fear of messing up with the expressiveness in their post. A kind of self-censure if we like. The people I’m talking about I find have good communication skills per-se, and when I’ve read some of their posts in English I find them quite understandable. These I’ve encouraged in the past to go ahead and post in the English sections without fear.

Nevertheless, If one does not have a reasonable base line command of the English, the forum is not really a language teaching ground.

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November 18, 2018, 11:13:54 PM
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Some very smart and talented individuals post in no so great English and I still admire their posts greatly.

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November 19, 2018, 03:31:27 AM
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It's true. In modern society, people will be lack of self-learn abilities if they don't have good English skills, especially reading and writing. Reading to find and read, then comprehend information they read; writing is especially essential to express ideas for asking for help, for joining discussions, for help others, etc.
 English is a very widely recognised and accepted language it's use in most officially activities regardless of the number of different countries involved and bitcointalk forum I feel is not an exception to that.

Someone who have not had good English skills, it's time to start improving and sharpening their English skills, right?
Sorry, I am non-native English speaker.
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November 19, 2018, 03:58:30 AM
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Marshall14's English isn't perfect, but it is easily understandable, and that's the important thing. The issue is with posts that I read 3 or 4 times and still cannot make head nor tail of.
I agree, his English is totally fine and I only wish more members here could write at least that well.  And yeah, there are some posts where I'm trying to figure out if it's me who's getting early-onset dementia or that the poster is just assembling random English words into what he hopes is something resembling a sentence.

Aside from the issue with people's proficiency with English, there's the separate but very much related issues of the content of what's being written and the motivation behind why people are trying to write in a language that they obviously can't use effectively to communicate.  The language issue wouldn't be so contentious if it weren't for the fact that most of the indecipherable gibberish posts wouldn't be worth reading even if they were written in perfect English. 

Look at what gets plagiarized.  9 times out of 10, it's something fairly insignificant.  Anyway, I digress.

I joined Fit to Talk few months ago and it really helped me to harness my English literacy. I am from a 3rd World country and speaking or writing English Language is difficult. <snip>
That's awesome.  Even if you never posted anything else on bitcointalk, learning English is an excellent thing to do.  I wish I'd studied another language in high school (it was French that I took for 2 years).  It's a great language, but not very useful where I live in the US.  Spanish would have been much more practical.

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November 19, 2018, 07:54:24 AM
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Aside from the issue with people's proficiency with English, there's the separate but very much related issues of the content of what's being written and the motivation behind why people are trying to write in a language that they obviously can't use effectively to communicate.  The language issue wouldn't be so contentious if it weren't for the fact that most of the indecipherable gibberish posts wouldn't be worth reading even if they were written in perfect English. 

Part of the problem with learning English is that it has become the lingua franca for world trade and communicaton. This has led to the craetion of a wide variety of dialects and vocabularies. There is quite a difference between received English and American for example, and political correctness seems to have led the BBC to drop their role in helping to preserve good pronunciation.

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  Huge number of international forum  employ the use English as there medium of communication. English is a widely spoken language across the world and is mostly used here in the forum.
 I wouldn't say that the lack or poor use of English is the major restrictions for some users some have not just had enough zeal or readiness to try.
 Most time a post with a good idea and passes a good message but through a medium of poor English might not get criticized. That's not to say English is not important in fact it is a the forum is concerned and if an individual is finding it difficult can just do themselves a favour an embark on learning English, they can do that through various means like online and offline English classes, reading novel and article, trying and open to correction e.t.c the forum doesn't necessarily have to cater for that.
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