Skill-based Gambling/games?

[LoyceV]

The Drownhim game looks awesome!  Just wondering...  How hard is it to program your own bot?  I think this game has the potential to become huge.  Seriously.  All the community around the game needs to do is teach everybody the basics of making a bot and write a few more advanced strategy guides.

If you click the drop down menu (almost top-right of the site), you can browse and select bots made by other players. They're sorted, showing the best bots first. You can select a minimum of rounds played to fine tune the selection.
The difficulty of creating a bot depends on the other bots. The tricky part is to play together at the right moment, if you can pull that off you climb faster. There aren't that many settings, but the number of possibilities with working together and drowning is very large.
I created [Drownhim.com] Testing Unibot settings and sharing successful bots a while back to share bot settings.

Who made this?

It's made by MrDrowner and team.

[tokeweed]

The Drownhim game looks awesome!  Just wondering...  How hard is it to program your own bot?  I think this game has the potential to become huge.  Seriously.  All the community around the game needs to do is teach everybody the basics of making a bot and write a few more advanced strategy guides.

Edit:  Is this an original game?  Who made this?

I think it's an original game, I've never seen it before outside the website.

Try reading the rules here : https://drownhim.com/rules (without reading about the bots) and then play manually in the newbie room : https://drownhim.com/game/1

Once you understand and start winning some games manually, you can read about the bots. I could explain it here but I'm not going to do better than the link I gave you.

You can also play using a default admin bot with the play button, and you'll see what it does!

Kk thanks.  I'll check it out.  I wish a community grows around the game.  I really haven't seen anything like it tbh.  And what makes it look cool and interesting is the competitive botting aspect...

Maybe somebody should make a bot only poker site where botters can compete with one another.  

[khatarnak]

which is 100% skill based is chess and there is a website velocitychess.com where you can play chess with bitcoins too, was playing here two years ago, haven't visited this website since then.

about  chess

velocitychess
There was actually , they didn't accept bitcoin , they had just deposit and cashout with paypal , i played there for some time (cashout minimum was about 50$)
had in-game currency that you could earn in tournaments and single games , i reached cashout and never get paid , that was complete scam , you can read more in the web about velocity.

chesscube
The best chess for money was (chesscube) , had in-game currency you could cashout (had many grandmasters there )
they shut down money-part (2013) because of cheating but site still alive and solid to play for fun and training.

playchess
best client for pro players , every champ played/ing there (realy solid)
has in game currency called (ducat) , AFAIK you cant trade ducats for money but u can buy account serial number and chessbase.com softwares and Educational films with them .

Lichess
Realy good one , first free-software chess , they support many variants of chess are realy fun.
Time to time there is tournaments with cash prize.
carlsen plays there sometimes.


Thx OP for Starting Topic , I'm Looking for skill based games too.

[KingZee]

about  chess

Will you guys stop recommending me chess? I already wrote in the start topic why I dont want solved games.

Chess, checkers, Go, etc.. you need to know that regardless of website, you can automate a bot that plays for you. Web-based, Client software, you name it, someone with enough time will make a bot that spams chess games with the logic of one of the dozen open sourced chess algorithms out there.

[shield132]

a lot of ~snip~

It's stupid to play chess for btc. There is no way people aren't botting their way in public chess rooms.

Agree but if you think like that than there is no way to play 100% skill based game online in fair situation, everyone can play bot against you and there is a high chance you'll lose. But on another hand there is a game which I just reminded, something like penalties. You have 3 chance, your opponent has 3 chance too and you kick penalties to each other. One kicks and another one is goalkeeper, one chooses corner and GK chooses also, it's 100% luck but fair lucky based games, then they swipe the roles and so on.

[KingZee]

Agree but if you think like that than there is no way to play 100% skill based game online in fair situation, everyone can play bot against you and there is a high chance you'll lose. But on another hand there is a game which I just reminded, something like penalties. You have 3 chance, your opponent has 3 chance too and you kick penalties to each other. One kicks and another one is goalkeeper, one chooses corner and GK chooses also, it's 100% luck but fair lucky based games, then they swipe the roles and so on.

Another example that was listed here was the Agar.io clone who play for btc leaderboard.
The website I mentioned in my post where you have to write rules about your bot to climb.

Both of there are still skill-based, but automating something to have a 100% winrate is impossible. For chess, and similar solved games, it is proven impossible for a human player to beat the best chess bots with enough computation time.
In addition to the fact that it's very easy to get access to such bots, chess or similar board games are just not worth risking money on.

Also kindly try to remember websites whenever you mention examples, I'd be interested but I need to try them to judge

[milewilda]

Zee test bot - newbie   kingzee

Good bot to be used.lol





What a entertaining game.

Edit: Seems like you can make easy win with newbie/bot section.

[KingZee]

Zee test bot - newbie   kingzee

Good bot to be used.lol





What a entertaining game.

Edit: Seems like you can make easy win with newbie/bot section.

Lol! Glad you enjoy my bot. The newbie & manual section is the easiest, so I kept the bot for it public, its not very good though so you can probably improve it. Try to make a bot for the other sections with bigger pools! Apparently ive been making too much money and admin is on a quest to shut me down by upgrading his own bots.

[milewilda]

Zee test bot - newbie   kingzee

Good bot to be used.lol





What a entertaining game.

Edit: Seems like you can make easy win with newbie/bot section.

Lol! Glad you enjoy my bot. The newbie & manual section is the easiest, so I kept the bot for it public, its not very good though so you can probably improve it. Try to make a bot for the other sections with bigger pools! Apparently ive been making too much money and admin is on a quest to shut me down by upgrading his own bots.

Your Bot is on top which its normal for players to use it up with having some good percentage stats. One question, how can we able to find a queue that do have bigger bets? Ive been lurking
to check out and i cant find it.

[KingZee]

Your Bot is on top which its normal for players to use it up with having some good percentage stats. One question, how can we able to find a queue that do have bigger bets? Ive been lurking
to check out and i cant find it.

I think the website UI is pretty easy to browse, but there are different rooms for each pool :



Before every round starts you can see information about entry fee, number of players, and more rules about each different mode.

Currently the maximum is 1 bit buy-in, which is supposed to be a player-only room, but there aren't enough players for it. You can check out Another Chance, and 20 Moves. Admin just introduced a "maximum drowns" system to prevent over aggressive bots, so 20 Moves 7Ds means 7 drowns allowed per bot every round.

[LoyceV]

One question, how can we able to find a queue that do have bigger bets? Ive been lurking to check out and i cant find it.

There used to be rooms with much bigger bets (say 300-1000 bits). I expect Admin to bring those rooms back once the site has more players.

[milewilda]

Before every round starts you can see information about entry fee, number of players, and more rules about each different mode.

Yes, i have seen that but what i do mean is already answered by LoyceV.

One question, how can we able to find a queue that do have bigger bets? Ive been lurking to check out and i cant find it.

There used to be rooms with much bigger bets (say 300-1000 bits). I expect Admin to bring those rooms back once the site has more players.

Oh i see, sadly this game didnt able to get such enough players.

[Patatas]

Speaking technically, if it's skill based, it's not called gambling, its called a challenge. And there are ways you can challenge other players without the need of a host. I   liked the ChopCoin game as someone mentioned above but that's the closest I have come across. I don't trust the bot making game because you are always competing against someone better than you.

[KingZee]

Speaking technically, if it's skill based, it's not called gambling, its called a challenge. And there are ways you can challenge other players without the need of a host. I   liked the ChopCoin game as someone mentioned above but that's the closest I have come across. I don't trust the bot making game because you are always competing against someone better than you.

It's not necessarily true, I can agree with you for games like chess, checkers.. But poker for example, is a skill based game where you can control what rounds to play based on your hand, but its still affected by luck.
ChopCoin I liked too, but you can't be perfect at it, there are also a lot of environment factors that can affect if you can win or not.

Sportsbetting, even rock paper scizzors can be a skillbased game, because a smart person's winrate will largely surpass a newbie's, it still means that sometimes, due to randomness factors, even a calculated bet can backfire.

[LoyceV]

I don't trust the bot making game because you are always competing against someone better than you.

That's the challenge in any skill-based game But the reason for choosing bots over manual play is to prevent people from colluding. Playing together against another player gives you an advantage. With the bots, you can't select who gets drowned.
I'm not sure how this problem is handled in poker.

[tokeweed]

I think a skill game site should be developed solely for open face chinese poker and other card games.  The game plays mostly like bridge than real poker imo.

And I have been bugging Bitdice about this...  Yatzy!

[Ucy]

Bookmarked..  Will give this a try.
I really don't like things that are based on luck. Better to "gamble" with those that require skill, time and effort to make money.
Could end up being my first gamble  if all goes well.

[imstillthebest]

Bookmarked..  Will give this a try.
I really don't like things that are based on luck. Better to "gamble" with those that require skill, time and effort to make money.
Could end up being my first gamble  if all goes well.

luck based games are more rewarding imo , not because of the reaward money but because of the excitement and thrill when you won the game  . you know luck is does not come out oftenly  .  gambling games that are skill based dont give you assurance to win a profit because if they are , then all gamblers are now millionaire and there wil be no gambling business because they are now bankrupt  .

[grendel25]

betting strategy is a skill.  not just martingale but other patterns can be useful to extend the life of any bankroll. 

I like to play around with strategies that involve specific "set" of wins/losses.  So like win 1 go to next bet amount, win 2 go to next, etc.

[akram143]

I'm not sure if this has been asked before, do you guy know any good websites that aren't based on pure luck?

Besides Poker and similar card games, I've recently found a website (thanks LoyceV) where you create bots to compete against others and make money in the process.

Website is DrownHim. I'm not promoting this website because I'm affiliated with it, but because I would enjoy some competition!

Come join and see if you can beat the winrate of my own bot.


But like I said, I'm not affiliated with that website, so I would really enjoy any other websites you've come across, I like games where it's not all luck, and you get to test your own skill and logic to maximise your winnings. Of course full skill-based games like chess, checkers, or whatever aren't really a suggestion because there's 0% luck element involved, in addition to the fact that they're almost "complete" games, where a good enough bot will practically never lose.

So yeah! Let me know of any other games like Poker/Drownhim.

Did you play this gambling and how much you can get rewarded from this site and is this trustable and and how much you can get from this type while gambling.