Capitalism is destroying us.

[Dig Bicks]

Suicide rates and depression are rising because of Capitalism.   Workers are getting screwed over, the wealth they create is stolen.


I know a lot of you, especially americans are brainwashed.

-Climate change is a direct result of a profit driven society, environment doesn't matter only the dollar
-"hurr durr socialism/communism never worked millions died hurr durr"  Capitalism has killed much more people directly with poverty, inability to afford healthcare, etc
-. Capitalism is nothing but slavery with a new name, owners of capital are the slave masters
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[JealousCup]

Suicide rates and depression are rising because of Capitalism.   Workers are getting screwed over, the wealth they create is stolen.

You can say it out loud. Look at how they're trying to screw crypto-currencies, which turned many young people into millionaires. Whenever a movement tries to shake the status quo, something like what's happening with "highly volatile" cryptos happens.

[af_newbie]

Suicide rates and depression are rising because of Capitalism.   Workers are getting screwed over, the wealth they create is stolen.


I know a lot of you, especially americans are brainwashed.

-Climate change is a direct result of a profit driven society, environment doesn't matter only the dollar
-"hurr durr socialism/communism never worked millions died hurr durr"  Capitalism has killed much more people directly with poverty, inability to afford healthcare, etc
-. Capitalism is nothing but slavery with a new name, owners of capital are the slave masters
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If you think you create wealth as a worker, ask for more money or go work somewhere else where your "wealth creation skills" will be recognized.

If not, you can start your own company and create wealth for yourself.

Stop complaining about other people's wealth.  Fix yours.

Capitalism is the best, natural system to separate and reward people based on their skills.

Early in my engineering career, I recognized that I needed to go solo, so I quit after 2 years at a multinational company and was immediately hired as an independent consultant by their competitor and paid four times as much. Then I started my own consulting company which I sold 30 years later.

Don't be afraid to demand more money from the "evil capitalists" or better yet, become one.

Invest early, save as much as you can, live within your means, retire early and enjoy your life.

Whatever you do, don't complain.  Nobody likes lazy people who complain for no apparent reason.

[BADecker]

Capitalism isn't destroying us. Capitolism is.     

[CristianOff]

I'm laughing in capitalism 

I don't share the same opinion with you for the following reasons:
1) Capitalism provides people with opportunities for growth. If you're not what you wanted to be, blame yourself and not the system
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2) Do you know the rich dude who for you seems dumb, stupid, idiot and you'll find an excuse to insult him? Stop envying and start emulating what you see.

3) You're saying capitalism is worse than communism? Ha ha! I don't know where you get your facts but, capitalism has reduced the number of absolute poverty in half, all that WHILE THE WORLD GREW UP TO 7 BILLION PEOPLE (https://www.economist.com/leaders/2013/06/01/towards-the-end-of-poverty)

4) Capitalism MUST help the poor for a larger market. Think about a laptop organisation such as Lenovo. They want more people who can afford laptops! Think about Mercedes. They want more people who can afford their S class!

5) Capitalism makes some people rich. If you take the opportunities you have with capitalism (aka setting up your own business and making it successful, investing) you can be one of the rich. But if you believe that working 24/7 while maybe you're not the smartest guy alive will lead you towards making a lot of $$$, then I have bad news for you. Oh and by smartest I don't mean IQ or other stupid measures. I mean proficient in what you do!

On the other side,
I see why capitalism is bad. It makes you feel bad having $5kk when there are people working for $30k a year...
Naturally you want others to be successful like you that's why you help them

[bluefirecorp_]

Unions dude. When workers striked massively, humans changed. We went from 12 hour days 6 days a week to 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

Now it's "earth strike" -- however, no unions exists to protect jobs and it's a damned shame.

[TECSHARE]

Unions dude. When workers striked massively, humans changed. We went from 12 hour days 6 days a week to 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

Now it's "earth strike" -- however, no unions exists to protect jobs and it's a damned shame.

Yeah, unions are never corrupt right? xD

[stoxalpha]

At present, human beings do not have better aptism. Socialism also has certain problems that can only be realized in the future. Capitalism is now very dangerous, causing extreme uneven distribution of social wealth. The financial crisis will destroy the majority. This world is developing in a wrong way.

[Zhen Zhibing]

Where are you living? I invite you to live in Venezuela, a true socialist country to see how it's good. I dare you can't survive there. Wonder what's happening in Venezuela, read some news about it.

[mOgliE]

Capitalism is the best, natural system to separate and reward people based on their skills.

Really?

I don't see how people can say such thing though. USA is one of the worst country towards economic mobility (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_mobility#cite_note-6).

Countries like France or Norway which are much more "socialist" have a higher economic mobility. Isn't that a proof that capitalism IS NOT the best system to separate and reward pople based on their skills?

[St_3179]

I'd say that with every political/economical system come their own pros and cons and while some might work better in one country (or seemingly work better) some indicators are just indicators and you cannot know what struggles the people really are facing and how implementing the same system will affect another place.

[BADecker]

There is a lot of misunderstanding. For example, Social Security deductions are not mandatory. It requires writing a letter to the SSA and to your employer, opting out from SS.

Back when Social Security started, it was not required. It was a method that Government used to get people who volunteered into the program, to get benefits and to start prepping government for the time it would have to pay retirement benefits to people through the SS system.

What we are finding now is, Social Security is not able to provide sufficient member benefits for people to retire on successfully. But people who used capitalism all along, supplementing their SS with some other form of investment or savings, are often able to live in comfort that SS people don't have. And people who got into government, or who figured out how to use the government SS/Welfare system, live in wealth.

But here is how to make capitalism really work:

First, he resolved to pay his workers less, ferociously resisted any unionization, and restricted most of his workers to working no more than 28 hours per week, which would mean they would not qualify for employee benefits—and would never be able to earn a living wage. He offered some of them health benefits, but most did not earn enough to purchase the health insurance. Though the myth arose that this policy became prevalent only after Walton's April 1992 death, the fact is that Mr. Sam enforced it from day one. Wal-Mart workers earn wage and benefit packages that are 12-30% below those paid to workers in comparable jobs at unionized companies, depending on the job classification. During most of Sam Walton's reign, Wal-Mart had a worker turnover rate of an incredible 35-45%.

[af_newbie]

Capitalism is the best, natural system to separate and reward people based on their skills.

Really?

I don't see how people can say such thing though. USA is one of the worst country towards economic mobility (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_mobility#cite_note-6).

Countries like France or Norway which are much more "socialist" have a higher economic mobility. Isn't that a proof that capitalism IS NOT the best system to separate and reward pople based on their skills?

You struggle with the definition of socialism.

You confuse social programs with socialism.  France and Norway are capitalist countries.

USA is still a #1 country people want to IMMIGRATE to.  When was last time you had caravans of migrants heading towards your precious Russia, Chechnya or Kazakstan? (Or whatever your native land is).

Capitalism rewards risk takers and innovators.  That is why the best products are developed in capitalist countries.  Not in socialist countries like Cuba or North Korea or dictatorships in the Middle East, or Russia.

Socialism kills innovation, it demotivates people, it kills any progress.  It equalizes the outcomes.

[mOgliE]

Ok so there is so much I disagree and so many things wrong with what you say... I'll try to go pieces by pieces ok? Let's start with the definition!

You struggle with the definition of socialism.

You confuse social programs with socialism.  France and Norway are capitalist countries.

So let's take the definition of socialism:
"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Ok so you've got two possible point of view here:

1/ For you a country is communist if economy is fully controlled by the community. Anything else is capitalism

2/ It's not a binary system and you just have countries being "more communist" or "more capitalis" than others considering how far they go in the regulation or nationalisation of the economy

Which one is yours? Because both are can be argued. Or maybe you even have a third one though I don't see what it could be.

[michaelkelly8798]

I don't think it is destroying us, I think more laws should be implemented to protect the poor, governments should implement more programs to help the poor thrive, communism has never been the answer, you can see the crisis in countries like Venezuela or Cuba, it's unnatural.

[SoiledDove]

Actually, capitalism is on the way out. The economic system as we know it is going. All we have is cryptocurrency now. Or rather, all we will have. That's my view.

[BADecker]

Crypto is ushering in a new age of capitalism. Why? Because now anybody can turn anything he wants into capital, just by tokenizing it.

[Dig Bicks]

THE MAJORITY OF INNOVATION COMES FROM THE PUBLIC SECTOR.


Internet, gps, phones, etc were created by government agencies like nasa, military, research programs.  Private companies did not take the risk on these types of innovation, they were funded by the public.  But now these innovations are privatized.


For the idiots naming Venezuela, sorry you are just retarded.

Most people moving to USA?  Most Americans I know have already left for Canada or Europe.

No one is self made, that whole notion is absolutely ridiculous.

[coins4commies]

Although welfare is important to any modern society, people have conflated the idea to think that socialism is just hyper welfare.  Its not.  Socialism is an economy where workers own the means of production and every stakeholder has a say in the inner-workings of the company. 

Capitalism rewards risk takers and innovators.  That is why the best products are developed in capitalist countries.  Not in socialist countries like Cuba or North Korea or dictatorships in the Middle East, or Russia.

Socialism kills innovation, it demotivates people, it kills any progress.  It equalizes the outcomes.

This is all false.  The most dangerous jobs that involve risking one's most valuable thing, their life, are not nearly the highest paid but capitalists wouldn't even consider that risk because money is literally the only thing that has value to them.  The concept of a life having more value or risk involved than the financing put forth from one's account with the click of a button is absent. 

Russia is capitalist.  Cuba nor North Korea have given workers control over the means of production. 


https://www.socialism101.com/basic/

I have so much renewed confidence in socialism because I have yet to meet a person who understands socialism and is against it.  Most people against it are against it because capitalists have tricked them into believing it is necessarily authoritarian,  it eliminates personal property, eliminates personal freedom, the USSR revived, or is just welfare for everything. 

I advise everyone to read sites like this, read Marx and Engels, and read socialist platforms like this

Socialist Society
Freedom & Equality
Democratic socialism is a political and economic system with freedom and equality for all, so that people may develop to their fullest potential in harmony with others. The Socialist Party is committed to full freedom of speech, assembly, press, and religion, and to a multi-party system. We are dedicated to the abolition of male supremacy and class society, and to the elimination of all forms of oppression, including those based on race, national origin, age, sexual preferences, and disabling conditions.

Production For Use, Not For Profit
In a socialist system the people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically controlled public agencies, cooperatives, or other collective groups. The primary goal of economic activity is to provide the necessities of life, including food, shelter, health care, education, child care, cultural opportunities, and social services.
     
These social services include care for the chronically ill, persons with mental disabilities, the infirm and the aging. Planning takes place at the community, regional, and national levels, and is determined democratically with the input of workers, consumers, and the public to be served.

Full Employment
Under welfare capitalism, a reserve pool of people is kept undereducated, under-skilled and unemployed, largely along racial and gender lines, to exert pressure on those who are employed and on organized labor. The employed pay for this knife that capitalism holds to their throats by being taxed to fund welfare programs to maintain the unemployed and their children. In this way the working class is divided against itself; those with jobs and those without are separated by resentment and fear. In socialism, full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work.

Worker & Community Control
Democracy in daily life is the core of our socialism. Public ownership becomes a fraud if decisions are made by distant bureaucrats or authoritarian managers. In socialist society power resides in worker-managed and cooperative enterprises. Community-based cooperatives help provide the flexibility and innovation required in a dynamic socialist economy. Workers have the right to form unions freely, and to strike and engage in other forms of job actions. Worker and community control make it possible to combine life at work, home and in the community into a meaningful whole for adults and children. Girls and boys are encouraged to grow up able to choose freely the shape of their lives and work without gender and racial stereotyping. Children are provided with the care, goods and services, and support that they need, and are protected from abuse.

Ecological Harmony
A socialist society carefully plans its way of life and technology to be a harmonious part of our natural environment. This planning takes place on regional, national, and international levels and covers the production of energy, the use of scarce resources, land-use planning, the prevention of pollution and the preservation of wildlife. The cleanup of the contaminated environment and the creation of a nuclear-free world are among the first tasks of a socialist society.

https://www.socialistpartyusa.net/principles-points-of-agreement

Not all parties or types of socialists are the same (we are talking about 1/3rd of the political compass) but you will be hard pressed to find authoritarian socialists which is the only thing people have arguments against.

[criza]

I personally do not think that capitalism alone is destroying us. There are many things that destroys us and there are many reasons why we are getting destroyed. However, when it comes to a type of society and what dominates the society, capitalism of course do have both downside and the positive effect in the lives of every people. Capitalism I think encourages a good competition for everyone. It makes us more motivated because of what the rewards are. On the other hand, it also paved way for others to abuse their powers and get benefit from it in unrightful manner. Hence, capitalism does not destroys us, but it is the people whom truly destroys us.