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November 27, 2018, 07:25:37 PM
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Lol!  As liberal and biased as NPR is, at least they value facts.  No matter how much the MSM attempts to spin the truth, the facts can't be hidden any longer.  One of their own just outed their lies:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/27/670807343/fact-check-whats-happening-on-the-u-s-mexico-border

7000 invaders at the Tijuana border.  Thousands attempted to bumrush the border crossing in an attempt to "protest" the slow process of invading our country.

ROFLMFAO!  The double speak is palpable.

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November 27, 2018, 07:56:53 PM
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Lol!  As liberal and biased as NPR is, at least they value facts.  No matter how much the MSM attempts to spin the truth, the facts can't be hidden any longer.  One of their own just outed their lies:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/27/670807343/fact-check-whats-happening-on-the-u-s-mexico-border

7000 invaders at the Tijuana border.  Thousands attempted to bumrush the border crossing in an attempt to "protest" the slow process of invading our country.

ROFLMFAO!  The double speak is palpable.

Here's a bit more for you. Remember when the Mexican Army encountered the "caravan" and there was a brief tussle, then the Army backed off saying "We can't fight them!"

Translated from Mexican-talk: Army was paid off nicely!
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November 27, 2018, 08:24:08 PM
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Lol!  As liberal and biased as NPR is, at least they value facts.  No matter how much the MSM attempts to spin the truth, the facts can't be hidden any longer.  One of their own just outed their lies:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/27/670807343/fact-check-whats-happening-on-the-u-s-mexico-border

7000 invaders at the Tijuana border.  Thousands attempted to bumrush the border crossing in an attempt to "protest" the slow process of invading our country.

ROFLMFAO!  The double speak is palpable.

There are photos online of the migrants preparing for photos with journalists and an MSNBC reporter even accidentally said that they were majority men and there for work, not asylum.

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November 27, 2018, 11:47:45 PM
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November 28, 2018, 12:42:18 AM
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November 28, 2018, 01:49:19 AM
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No fact check is needed for the pictures that show children and mothers being hit with tear gas.  Unthinkable crimes against humanity!

We don't accept your borders to begin with and hardly accept the concept of borders overall but we are willing to play along (for now) just for the sake of a peaceful, functioning society.  As compromise, we demand that the human right of freedom of movement be granted.  You have to allow people to move freely from danger and seek asylum.  This is international law and will not be negotiated down at a time when it is needed the most.  The more Trump tries to restrict the rightful passage of humans seeking asylum, the more we will protest the border and seek to undermine the authority of the occupation.

I hate that it came this far but I will tell you, right now, there are comrades mobilizing and providing these people with the  resources and information necessary to access their right to seek asylum in the US.  I'm afraid they won't succeed. Might is right?
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November 28, 2018, 02:07:56 AM
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No fact check is needed for the pictures that show children and mothers being hit with tear gas.  Unthinkable crimes against humanity!....

Bah. You're a proven liar and propagandist.

The same border crossing, people were tear gassed when Obama was president.

Your type are the actual ones well versed in real unthinkable crimes against humanity, fucking whack job nut cases that think they are smarter than other people and know better what to do. Authoritarian liberal perverted control freaks.
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November 28, 2018, 03:18:07 AM
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I'm not really sure why the policy for asylum seekers really changed. It seemed to be pretty effective under Obama in keeping illegal immigration rather small and limited.

I guess it goes along with this joke;

How do you get Trump to change a light bulb?

Tell him Obama put it in!

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November 28, 2018, 03:42:08 AM
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No fact check is needed for the pictures that show children and mothers being hit with tear gas.  Unthinkable crimes against humanity!

We don't accept your borders to begin with and hardly accept the concept of borders overall but we are willing to play along (for now) just for the sake of a peaceful, functioning society.  As compromise, we demand that the human right of freedom of movement be granted.  You have to allow people to move freely from danger and seek asylum.  This is international law and will not be negotiated down at a time when it is needed the most.  The more Trump tries to restrict the rightful passage of humans seeking asylum, the more we will protest the border and seek to undermine the authority of the occupation.

I hate that it came this far but I will tell you, right now, there are comrades mobilizing and providing these people with the  resources and information necessary to access their right to seek asylum in the US.  I'm afraid they won't succeed. Might is right?

I see, so you openly admit you plan to subvert the government and rule of law to implement your ideology in spite of the fact that it has no popular mandate? You can't have a functioning society without borders any more than you can have a functional house without doors. It is good to know you are at least being honest about your totalitarian aspirations finally, though I think we all knew this for some time.

Mexico is a safe harbor nation, and has already offered these people asylum. Once you leave your nation, you are mandated to apply to the first safe harbor nation you enter for asylum. The law doesn't say you get to bounce from nation to nation and pick the country you would like best.

Asylum is supposed to be for emergency situations and is being abused in this case as cover for economic immigration. EVEN IF they had a legitimate reason to claim asylum, by those same international laws you evoke, they do not have a right to claim asylum in the US, and they CERTAINLY don't have a right to just rush the border.
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Asylum is supposed to be for emergency situations and is being abused in this case as cover for economic immigration. EVEN IF they had a legitimate reason to claim asylum, by those same international laws you evoke, they do not have a right to claim asylum in the US, and they CERTAINLY don't have a right to just rush the border.

It's really just one more engineered "test" for Trump, designed from the start to make him look bad.

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November 28, 2018, 03:58:00 AM
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Mexico is a safe harbor nation, and has already offered these people asylum. Once you leave your nation, you are mandated to apply to the first safe harbor nation you enter for asylum. The law doesn't say you get to bounce from nation to nation and pick the country you would like best.

You're a fucking retard, the only fucking country that the US has a bilateral agreement with for safe third Country is the frozen wasteland above you...  You can't even get the name of the agreement right.

There is no such thing as a "safe harbour nation" in legal terms, your stupid argument has been tested and rejected by the courts countless times over the decades.  The law is crystal clear a person can enter mexico first and then enter the US and apply for Asylum, you being to retarded to understand it doesn't change the facts LOL.
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The port of entry in question — San Ysidro — is a big one. It's the busiest land border crossing in the Western Hemisphere. An average of 90,000 people pass north through the crossing each day, 70,000 in cars and 20,000 by foot.

20k people standing around and they shut down the thing? What the fuck government, are you mad? 20,000 people is insane.

7000 processing of the average 90k / day? What...?

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And as Quartz notes, that would only delay — not eliminate — the United States' legal responsibility to hear asylum claims.

So, they have legal right to seek asylum, cool. That's been a whole talking point from the right for sooo long.

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However, authorities at legal border crossings have been limiting the number of people who can request asylum. Only 40 to 100 people are allowed each day, Fredrick says.

90,000 average crossers per day; most of them NOT seeking asylum; but you can only process 40-100 individuals per day for seeking asylum? What the actual fuck?

90k security checks average a day, but can only handle an additional 40-100 asylum checks?

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Migrants were protesting that delay.

Yeah, no shit; artificial limits were set obviously.

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It was a peaceful protest at first, says Fredrick, who witnessed the events in Tijuana.

Hmm, peaceful protest seems fine.

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The federal government is aware that asylum-seekers face a backlog. A report from the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General published in September described the issue.

Cool story; now fix it; oh wait, Trump sucks; that's right.

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The U.S. government has encouraged all asylum-seekers to go to ports of entry, rather than along the rest of the border. At the same time, authorities are limiting the volume of asylum-seekers allowed at ports of entry. The "competing directives" have created a backlog, OIG found, likely causing more migrants to enter the country illegally.

I'm almost willing to bet this wasn't Obama's doing or directives.

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It was a peaceful protest at first

That's surprising when there's so many people just standing around (upwards of 25-30k)

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"They went down into this kind of riverbank, where there is not that giant steel fence that divides the U.S. and Mexico," he says. "It's a chain-link fence and barbed wire. A group of them started pushing up against that fence."


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U.S. Northern Command tells Walsh the military provided nonlethal assistance, did not have contact with migrants and were not involved in deploying tear gas.

I'd certainly hope the US military did NOT use tear gas, considering it's banned by the Geneva Convention.

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"We are going to wait to see precisely what the president proposes," said Lee Gelernt, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in an interview with NPR.

"But one thing we know right off the bat is that it cannot be legal unless they can assure all the asylum seekers who will be stranded in Mexico ... will be safe — not only from persecution by state actors in Mexico, but by criminal gangs. And from what we know about what's going on, we see no likelihood that that is going to be true. And so because that's part of the legal analysis, whether the asylum seekers will be safe in Mexico, we can't imagine any proposal will be legal."


So, the ball is in the federal government's side. Mind you, this seems like a pretty easy thing to fix; and wasn't an issue under Obama.

Now it's a massive issue under Trump; why? Because he's the SOURCE of the issue.

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November 28, 2018, 12:39:49 PM
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I'm not really sure why the policy for asylum seekers really changed. It seemed to be pretty effective under Obama in keeping illegal immigration rather small and limited.

The policy hasn't changed, only the person who is now president.  When Obummer was POTUS you didn't have George Soros spending millions in attempt to thwart America's sovereignty.

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November 28, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
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I'm not really sure why the policy for asylum seekers really changed. It seemed to be pretty effective under Obama in keeping illegal immigration rather small and limited.

The policy hasn't changed, only the person who is now president.  When Obummer was POTUS you didn't have George Soros spending millions in attempt to thwart America's sovereignty.

I'm pretty sure the policy changed. I'm pretty sure it states that CLEARLY in the article.

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The U.S. government has encouraged all asylum-seekers to go to ports of entry, rather than along the rest of the border. At the same time, authorities are limiting the volume of asylum-seekers allowed at ports of entry. The "competing directives" have created a backlog, OIG found, likely causing more migrants to enter the country illegally.

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I'm not really sure why the policy for asylum seekers really changed. It seemed to be pretty effective under Obama in keeping illegal immigration rather small and limited.

The policy hasn't changed, only the person who is now president.  When Obummer was POTUS you didn't have George Soros spending millions in attempt to thwart America's sovereignty.

I'm pretty sure the policy changed. I'm pretty sure it states that CLEARLY in the article.

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The U.S. government has encouraged all asylum-seekers to go to ports of entry, rather than along the rest of the border. At the same time, authorities are limiting the volume of asylum-seekers allowed at ports of entry. The "competing directives" have created a backlog, OIG found, likely causing more migrants to enter the country illegally.

Obama deciding not to enforce the law is not the same thing as the law changing.


Mexico is a safe harbor nation, and has already offered these people asylum. Once you leave your nation, you are mandated to apply to the first safe harbor nation you enter for asylum. The law doesn't say you get to bounce from nation to nation and pick the country you would like best.

You're a fucking retard, the only fucking country that the US has a bilateral agreement with for safe third Country is the frozen wasteland above you...  You can't even get the name of the agreement right.

There is no such thing as a "safe harbour nation" in legal terms, your stupid argument has been tested and rejected by the courts countless times over the decades.  The law is crystal clear a person can enter mexico first and then enter the US and apply for Asylum, you being to retarded to understand it doesn't change the facts LOL.

Beginning as usual starting off with an insult and a personal attack, always a sign of a rational level headed individual. I didn't intend to even reference the agreement you are referencing, so I am not sure how I got it wrong. The words I used are perfectly logical and clearly deliver the message I intended to deliver. Actually the law is crystal clear, the USA first of all has ultimate authority deciding who may enter the country as a sovereign nation, and the authority of the executive branch over this is also very clear. Your entire argument consists of calling me a retard and claiming I was wrong about things I never even mentioned.

"Under international law, asylum seekers are encouraged to apply for relief or legal status in the first country available to them, but it is not an obligation.

Similarly under U.S. law. Central American migrants technically have no obligation to apply for asylum in Mexico, contrary to the president's tweet. However, it is often a factor considered by immigration judges in deciding whether or not to grant asylum or permanent resettlement. In other words, some immigration judges will reject asylum claims if a person had the practical ability to apply for asylum or another legal status before reaching the United States."

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/trumps-asylum-restrictions-shift-migration-pressures-to-mexico

In summary, the asylum process was designed as a relief from immediate threats to ones life, most specifically due to government oppression. Living in a poor country with no infrastructure is not a valid claim for asylum. This in mind, judges who see that these people have demonstrated material evidence of applying for asylum in the US for economic reasons, not for reasons of immediate threat as demonstrated by passing through a third nation offering asylum to get here, are perfectly within the law rejecting these claims.
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90,000 average crossers per day; most of them NOT seeking asylum; but you can only process 40-100 individuals per day for seeking asylum? What the actual fuck?

90k security checks average a day, but can only handle an additional 40-100 asylum checks?
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LOL try going down there to that border crossing. Go across and come back and then tell us about it...
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LOL try going down there to that border crossing. Go across and come back and then tell us about it...

How about you try eating a grande? Seems about the same level of advice. Rofl.

Fuck if I'm going to Mexico; it's a dangerous country. Fuck, even Cuba and Turkey are safer than Mexico.

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LOL try going down there to that border crossing. Go across and come back and then tell us about it...

How about you try eating a grande? Seems about the same level of advice. Rofl.

Fuck if I'm going to Mexico; it's a dangerous country. Fuck, even Cuba and Turkey are safer than Mexico.

I'd just like to see you on a subject you actually knew something about. Not going to Mexico, too dangerous....but you are going to tell everyone everything about it?

Tal vez una problema aqui?
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"HONDUREÑOS SON TORTURADOS POR DESPRECIAR LOS FRIJOLES Y LAS TORTILLAS"

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No fact check is needed for the pictures that show children and mothers being hit with tear gas.  Unthinkable crimes against humanity!

We don't accept your borders to begin with and hardly accept the concept of borders overall but we are willing to play along (for now) just for the sake of a peaceful, functioning society.  As compromise, we demand that the human right of freedom of movement be granted.  You have to allow people to move freely from danger and seek asylum.  This is international law and will not be negotiated down at a time when it is needed the most.  The more Trump tries to restrict the rightful passage of humans seeking asylum, the more we will protest the border and seek to undermine the authority of the occupation.

I hate that it came this far but I will tell you, right now, there are comrades mobilizing and providing these people with the  resources and information necessary to access their right to seek asylum in the US.  I'm afraid they won't succeed. Might is right?

I see, so you openly admit you plan to subvert the government and rule of law to implement your ideology in spite of the fact that it has no popular mandate? You can't have a functioning society without borders any more than you can have a functional house without doors. It is good to know you are at least being honest about your totalitarian aspirations finally, though I think we all knew this for some time.

Mexico is a safe harbor nation, and has already offered these people asylum. Once you leave your nation, you are mandated to apply to the first safe harbor nation you enter for asylum. The law doesn't say you get to bounce from nation to nation and pick the country you would like best.

Asylum is supposed to be for emergency situations and is being abused in this case as cover for economic immigration. EVEN IF they had a legitimate reason to claim asylum, by those same international laws you evoke, they do not have a right to claim asylum in the US, and they CERTAINLY don't have a right to just rush the border.
I'm pretty sure you have the definition of totalitarianism completely backwards.  Unjust laws need to be broken and challenged constantly until they are moot.  This is called active protest and its been the most effective way for people to overcome totalitarian tendencies. 

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