NPR's Border Fact Check

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"Undocumented immigrants" is just the humanized version of "illegal immigrants".  The phrases refer to the same people.

You are using the general statistics for "immigrants", including legal immigrants, and claiming that represents illegal immigrants. I don't care if you call them basketballs there is still a difference between legal and illegal immigration.

You should only hold guilt if you feel entitled to the spoils.  We have no reason to feel any guilt just so long as we don't walk around thinking we deserve to be here more than anyone else.  The guilt directed at people who don't think anyone should be allowed to immigrate to the US is NOT misplaced.  Those are the people who feel entitled to keep the spoils that were stolen long ago.

If I feel entitled to a money bag bank robbers dropped out of the getaway car, I'm guilty by association even though I didn't actually rob the bank.  I should not feel entitled to that money.  

There is a lot more to what makes a border and what makes a nation sovereign.  Believe it or not, Norway, Iceland, Lichtenstein, and Switzerland are sovereign nations separate from the EU and anyone can cross into them overland without border checks.   They still have borders and those borders still have all of their meanings.  The nations are still strong, sovereign states.

What fucking spoils? The spoils that were had hundreds of years ago by deceased people? We deserve to be here more than any one else because WE ARE CITIZENS AND WE PAY TAXES AND ABIDE BY THE LAW. By definition, if you come here illegally YOU DO NOT RESPECT THE LAW. Not enforcing borders means by DEFAULT THERE IS NO NATION. No nation can withstand open borders combined with a welfare state, it is IMPOSSIBLE.

I didn't rob anyone to get what I have, I fucking worked for it, and so did the vast majority of Americans who don't want you handing out THEIR SHIT so YOU CAN FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOURSELF, and in the end help no one, but harm many.

2a. Drug traffickers are not asylum seekers.  Those are people who go back and forth.  Ending immigration would not end drug trafficking.  Two separate issues being conflated with the hopes of demonizing poor people in search of a better life.
2b. immigrants are not forcing people to buy it from traffickers, the government is
2c. legalize drugs so they can be safely produced and consumed
2d. provide mental healthcare for people suffering from addiction

3. Great articles.  I am glad you posted them and hope they helped you see why these people must come here and cannot "just stay in mexico" . Its not safe for them there.  

4.  Yes.  Mexico is dangerous.  The people coming to the US from Mexico are coming to escape that danger.  The migrants themselves are not the danger they are trying to escape.  19/100,000 doesn't mean everyone from that country is a murderer.  The studies show us that the people coming are not only less murderous than the mexican population, but less murderous than our own.  

5.  It does have an impact.  That is why they want/need to come here so they can have those things.  Thats the whole point.  They are trying to improve their lives.  

6. 2nd generation immigrants are more educated and earn more money than their peers here across the board.  More earnings means more tax revenue.  BTW, national default is impossible.

7.  TSA makes it impossible for them to hijack planes yes.  Other forms of terror have overwhelmingly been committed by white males.  Its not my racism because I said "if you suspend ethics in an attempt to prevent all terror" but I understand that you cannot prevent all terror without restricting rights.  Using things that aren't likely to kill people is the definition of fear mongering.  You are trying to generate an irrational fear of undocumented immigrants by making people think undocumented immigrants entering the country will likely kill them.  The probability of being killed by an undocumented immigrant is very low.  Lets worry about the things at the top of the list.  

You can be racist without intent.  We don't "deserve" to be here and have basic access to things like education or healthcare any more than they do.  We are all humans.

2. And travelers are not terrorists, but we still check people for bombs before they get on a plane. The FACT is that not just drug smugglers, but HUMAN SMUGGLERS hide among "asylum seekers", and they are usually moving children to be prostituted. Why should you care though right? You got to put water out in the desert and feel good about yourself.

3. Those sites are trash. I just used them so you couldn't dismiss them as being "right wing", and show how your own ideology is in conflict with itself constantly. The fact is most women are raped trying to cross illegally, and that doesn't even count the rape resulting from the sex trafficking.

4. So their society is some how more dangerous, but at the same time they will come here and magically they lave their dangerous and criminal habits behind huh? Amazing. You should just change your name to Hegel and get it over with Captain Postmodern.

5. And fuck everyone who already came here legally that is trying to improve their lives right? The fact is without crossing thru a legal port of entry and being processed correctly they are not medically screened and WILL BRING DEADLY PATHOGENS with them.

6. Most 2nd generation immigrants came here legally. Here you go again trying to lump legal law abiding immigrants with criminal illegal immigrants to try to make your unsupportable ideology look better.

7. Nice whataboutisms. It is a COMPLETELY RATIONAL FEAR and the WHOLE REASON things like the TSA exist. It is a fact terrorists and foreign actors are infiltrating our unsecured southern border. All your horse shit red herrings about white men being terrorists is a meaningless distraction from the fact that YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENTS. All you have is feelings, theories, and moralizing like a modern day puritan.

I have spent a lot of time this week helping with water drops along the border in the Arizona/California desert.   There has been a really good showing and pouring in support from all of the country.  The problem is the CBP and DHS are actively destroying water drops because they hate human life.  

Its unimaginable that they killed a 7 year old girl to punish her parents from coming here.  They made an example out of this innocent child just to send an example to anyone else who might want to bring their kid out of imminent danger.  

It is hard to go on with the good work knowing the level of power and evil we are up against.  This country is already systemically predisposed to human rights violations and being controlled by an egotistical figure and the population has no moral compass.  Where can we find hope?

Yes, what is important is that you can tell yourself you are doing good, regardless of how much pain and destruction it causes. As long as you feel like you are the good guy, that is what is most important, and anyone else who disagrees with you wants to genocide brown people.

Yes, it is not the fault of the psychos bringing children into a fucking desert on foot, no, I.C.E. killed her to "punish them" for crossing. You are fucking out of your mind, really you belong in a padded room.

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Yes, what is important is that you can tell yourself you are doing good, regardless of how much pain and destruction it causes. As long as you feel like you are the good guy, that is what is most important, and anyone else who disagrees with you wants to genocide brown people.

Yes, it is not the fault of the psychos bringing children into a fucking desert on foot, no, ice killed her to "punish them" for crossing. You are fucking out of your mind, really you belong in a padded room.

Some know the desert and how to survive in it. The Tejas Indians 500 years ago, from their hiding spots watched the Spanish explorers one by one fall from thirst and die.

Let's see....maybe an iPad with survival database, and a solar charger would have helped the illegals?

Better....

iPads with terabytes of information to help them change their home countries....

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"Undocumented immigrants" is just the humanized version of "illegal immigrants".  The phrases refer to the same people.

You are using the general statistics for "immigrants", including legal immigrants, and claiming that represents illegal immigrants. I don't care if you call them basketballs there is still a difference between legal and illegal immigration.

No I'm not doing what you are saying I'm doing.  Look at the links I posted.  Undocumented immigrants are not "legal immigrants".

" The incarceration rate was 1.53 percent for natives, 0.85 percent for illegal immigrants, and 0.47 percent for legal immigrants (see Figure 1). Illegal immigrants are 44 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal immigrants are 69 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal and illegal immigrants are underrepresented in the incarcerated population while natives are overrepresented (see Figure 2). If native-born Americans were incarcerated at the same rate as illegal immigrants, about 893,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated. If natives were incarcerated at the same rate as legal immigrants, about 1.4 million fewer natives would be incarcerated."

You should only hold guilt if you feel entitled to the spoils.  We have no reason to feel any guilt just so long as we don't walk around thinking we deserve to be here more than anyone else.  The guilt directed at people who don't think anyone should be allowed to immigrate to the US is NOT misplaced.  Those are the people who feel entitled to keep the spoils that were stolen long ago.

If I feel entitled to a money bag bank robbers dropped out of the getaway car, I'm guilty by association even though I didn't actually rob the bank.  I should not feel entitled to that money.  

There is a lot more to what makes a border and what makes a nation sovereign.  Believe it or not, Norway, Iceland, Lichtenstein, and Switzerland are sovereign nations separate from the EU and anyone can cross into them overland without border checks.   They still have borders and those borders still have all of their meanings.  The nations are still strong, sovereign states.

What fucking spoils? The spoils that were had hundreds of years ago by deceased people? We deserve to be here more than any one else because WE ARE CITIZENS AND WE PAY TAXES AND ABIDE BY THE LAW. By definition, if you come here illegally YOU DO NOT RESPECT THE LAW. Not enforcing borders means by DEFAULT THERE IS NO NATION. No nation can withstand open borders combined with a welfare state, it is IMPOSSIBLE.

I didn't rob anyone to get what I have, I fucking worked for it, and so did the vast majority of Americans who don't want you handing out THEIR SHIT so YOU CAN FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOURSELF, and in the end help no one, but harm many.

The land is the spoils.  Your citizenship and "right to be here over others" is the spoils.    The country itself is the spoils.  Everyone breaks laws which is why I showed you the stat supporting the idea that citizens break laws at a higher rate.   By that logic, citizens do not respect the law either.  Its not whataboutism its just obvious fact that all populations break laws.   How is the substantial list of european countries I listed not nations despite having open borders?  You can type things in caps but can you explain any of this paragraph?

2. And travelers are not terrorists, but we still check people for bombs before they get on a plane. The FACT is that not just drug smugglers, but HUMAN SMUGGLERS hide among "asylum seekers", and they are usually moving children to be prostituted. Why should you care though right? You got to put water out in the desert and feel good about yourself.

3. Those sites are trash. I just used them so you couldn't dismiss them as being "right wing", and show how your own ideology is in conflict with itself constantly. The fact is most women are raped trying to cross illegally, and that doesn't even count the rape resulting from the sex trafficking.

4. So their society is some how more dangerous, but at the same time they will come here and magically they lave their dangerous and criminal habits behind huh? Amazing. You should just change your name to Hegel and get it over with Captain Postmodern.

5. And fuck everyone who already came here legally that is trying to improve their lives right? The fact is without crossing thru a legal port of entry and being processed correctly they are not medically screened and WILL BRING DEADLY PATHOGENS with them.

6. Most 2nd generation immigrants came here legally. Here you go again trying to lump legal law abiding immigrants with criminal illegal immigrants to try to make your unsupportable ideology look better.

7. Nice whataboutisms. It is a COMPLETELY RATIONAL FEAR and the WHOLE REASON things like the TSA exist. It is a fact terrorists and foreign actors are infiltrating our unsecured southern border. All your horse shit red herrings about white men being terrorists is a meaningless distraction from the fact that YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENTS. All you have is feelings, theories, and moralizing like a modern day puritan.

2. I don't like the status quo.  Smugglers are going to smuggle in the current situation because we have created a market.  I want the assylum seekers to be able to come in legally through a normal border entry.  I don't want them to have to run and hid and sneak like they do now. I don't want them to need to use smugglers. 

3. Again, please tell me where I am in conflict with myself?  I want them to be able to come walk in through a port of entry.  It is the current system that forces them to sneak via coyotes and be subjected to rape. 

4.  You have a total misunderstanding of what a refugee is and perhaps this stems from your generalization of entire countries.  It is very bad logic to say

a. there are a lot of criminals in central america
b. the refugees are coming from central america
c. therefore, the refugees are criminals   

It seems so simple to me that I don't even know how to explain to you how flawed your transition from a+b (facts) to c (fiction) is so I will just explain to you what refugees are. 

 Refugees are the people who FLEE violence and crime.  The people who are benefiting from the crime have no reason to go elsewhere.  Thats not to say that no refugees will ever commit crime because they are obviously just regular people and not perfect. 

5. I am all for screening but we clearly have to let them come through ports.  I don't want illegal immigration.  I want to legalize this immigration so that it can be done in a safe, effective way. 

6. 2nd generation immigrants didn't "come here", they were born here.  Everyone born here is a citizen.  There is no such thing as "illegal 2nd generation immigrants" so there is nothing to lump. 

I have spent a lot of time this week helping with water drops along the border in the Arizona/California desert.   There has been a really good showing and pouring in support from all of the country.  The problem is the CBP and DHS are actively destroying water drops because they hate human life.  

Its unimaginable that they killed a 7 year old girl to punish her parents from coming here.  They made an example out of this innocent child just to send an example to anyone else who might want to bring their kid out of imminent danger.  

It is hard to go on with the good work knowing the level of power and evil we are up against.  This country is already systemically predisposed to human rights violations and being controlled by an egotistical figure and the population has no moral compass.  Where can we find hope?

Yes, what is important is that you can tell yourself you are doing good, regardless of how much pain and destruction it causes. As long as you feel like you are the good guy, that is what is most important, and anyone else who disagrees with you wants to genocide brown people.

Yes, it is not the fault of the psychos bringing children into a fucking desert on foot, no, I.C.E. killed her to "punish them" for crossing. You are fucking out of your mind, really you belong in a padded room.

I'm not a "good guy" because I am unwilling to do anything that isn't easy or convenient but I'm not quite a "bad guy" either.  I am complicit in the murders just like most american citizens.  The only real "good guys" are the ones willing to put their privilege on the line to fight against the oppressors and for the oppressed.  We lack these type of heroes which is why we have such an ugly world. 

The last holocaust happened because well intended people weren't willing to risk their own safety speaking out against/fighting the nazis. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/15/year-old-girl-who-died-border-patrol-custody-was-healthy-before-she-arrived-father-says/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.05d249e3b7eb
The girl was healthy when she arrived, and died in custody.  If you have custody of a child and let them dehydrate, you are killing the child through neglect.  Not providing proper training, eyes, and ears is systematic neglect.  These people we have handling children are not trained in childcare.  They don't have social workers or child psychologists on the ground either.  They are basically just cops handling everyone like prisoners.  Its a humanitarian crisis.

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Important to notice all the theatre that goes on at these borders. CNN has been seen setting up protestors and victims to look better on camera. Major magazines like TIME are guilty of this as well.

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The girl was healthy when she arrived, and died in custody.  If you have custody of a child and let them dehydrate, you are killing the child through neglect.....

You don't think they had water when in custody but not before? Your chain of causality is backwards, sideways, any way but right.

Really you are posting things that are incredibly wrong, please stop.

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No I'm not doing what you are saying I'm doing.  Look at the links I posted.  Undocumented immigrants are not "legal immigrants".

" The incarceration rate was 1.53 percent for natives, 0.85 percent for illegal immigrants, and 0.47 percent for legal immigrants (see Figure 1). Illegal immigrants are 44 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal immigrants are 69 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal and illegal immigrants are underrepresented in the incarcerated population while natives are overrepresented (see Figure 2). If native-born Americans were incarcerated at the same rate as illegal immigrants, about 893,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated. If natives were incarcerated at the same rate as legal immigrants, about 1.4 million fewer natives would be incarcerated."

Yes, you are repeatedly trying to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants. Also that is complete horse shit which I had already refuted with documentation from the GAO.

"That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their population."

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities


Illegal immigrants by their very entry into the nation illegally show they have no regard for our laws. Even if what you said were true (it absolutely is not) it still would not make it ok that they illegally flood the country.

The land is the spoils.  Your citizenship and "right to be here over others" is the spoils.    The country itself is the spoils.  Everyone breaks laws which is why I showed you the stat supporting the idea that citizens break laws at a higher rate.   By that logic, citizens do not respect the law either.  Its not whataboutism its just obvious fact that all populations break laws.   How is the substantial list of european countries I listed not nations despite having open borders?  You can type things in caps but can you explain any of this paragraph?

I see, so this country will forever be the spoils of war. Not any other country of course, no, just the evil USA. No other country was founded by conquest, only here. Everyone does not break laws, and your "stat" is horse shit. Your "oh white men commit more terror" act is ABSOLUTELY what about-ism, and false at that. We aren't talking about Europe Captain Distraction, we are talking about the USA. Furthermore I don't think you want to use Europe as an example of the successes of open borders.

2. I don't like the status quo.  Smugglers are going to smuggle in the current situation because we have created a market.  I want the assylum seekers to be able to come in legally through a normal border entry.  I don't want them to have to run and hid and sneak like they do now. I don't want them to need to use smugglers. 

3. Again, please tell me where I am in conflict with myself?  I want them to be able to come walk in through a port of entry.  It is the current system that forces them to sneak via coyotes and be subjected to rape. 

4.  You have a total misunderstanding of what a refugee is and perhaps this stems from your generalization of entire countries.  It is very bad logic to say

a. there are a lot of criminals in central america
b. the refugees are coming from central america
c. therefore, the refugees are criminals   

It seems so simple to me that I don't even know how to explain to you how flawed your transition from a+b (facts) to c (fiction) is so I will just explain to you what refugees are. 

 Refugees are the people who FLEE violence and crime.  The people who are benefiting from the crime have no reason to go elsewhere.  Thats not to say that no refugees will ever commit crime because they are obviously just regular people and not perfect. 

5. I am all for screening but we clearly have to let them come through ports.  I don't want illegal immigration.  I want to legalize this immigration so that it can be done in a safe, effective way. 

6. 2nd generation immigrants didn't "come here", they were born here.  Everyone born here is a citizen.  There is no such thing as "illegal 2nd generation immigrants" so there is nothing to lump. 

2. I don't give a fuck what you like or want. Your argument is now having an open border DOESN'T make smuggling easier? Also you are just going to gloss over the fact it makes it easier to traffic children for prostitution?

3. You are CONSTANTLY saying shit that conflicts with everything else you say. It is a consequence of having no principals and the mental gymnastics you do to try to pretend like you have an argument. OH I SEE! The BORDER ITSELF is responsible for the rape and murder! Wow it is all so clear now. I never knew geographic lines were capable of such horrors.

4.  You have a total misunderstanding of ... pretty much everything in life that stems from your generalization of entire populations simply because they disagree with you. Keep your psychoanalysis to yourself Dr. Phil. Unless you want some one with real knowledge in this area to rip apart your frail little belief systems. You don't know shit about me.

"a. there are a lot of criminals in central america" - CHECK
"b. the refugees are coming from central america" - I never said they were all from S.A., but this current wave mostly is, yes.
"c. therefore, the refugees are criminals" - Fuck you. Don't speak for me. I never said all "refugees" are criminals.

Also they aren't "refugees", they aren't fleeing a war, they are economic migrants. Every word you use to describe them is a manipulative lie. It seems so simple to you because you are ignoring vast amounts of information because it conflicts with what you WANT to be true, and with your emotions, not because you are some superior evolved being that has more understanding than us racist plebeians who argue against you. People benefiting from crime have ALL THE REASON TO COME HERE, because this is where the valuable shit to steal is, and the people to sell drugs to and victimize live. This statement contains zero logic on your part (as usual).

5. GREAT NEWS! Legal immigration already exists, so your wish has come true. The fact that you want endless uncontrolled amounts of impoverished low skilled people to flood into the country is irrelevant. What you are advocating for is simply the same as the other bullshit you have said, only with a rubber stamp on top.

6. MOST 2ND GENERATION IMMIGRANTS ARE HERE AS A RESULT OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION. The rest of your argument is fucking pointless as a result.

I'm not a "good guy" because I am unwilling to do anything that isn't easy or convenient but I'm not quite a "bad guy" either.  I am complicit in the murders just like most american citizens.  The only real "good guys" are the ones willing to put their privilege on the line to fight against the oppressors and for the oppressed.  We lack these type of heroes which is why we have such an ugly world. 

The last holocaust happened because well intended people weren't willing to risk their own safety speaking out against/fighting the nazis. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/15/year-old-girl-who-died-border-patrol-custody-was-healthy-before-she-arrived-father-says/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.05d249e3b7eb
The girl was healthy when she arrived, and died in custody.  If you have custody of a child and let them dehydrate, you are killing the child through neglect.  Not providing proper training, eyes, and ears is systematic neglect.  These people we have handling children are not trained in childcare.  They don't have social workers or child psychologists on the ground either.  They are basically just cops handling everyone like prisoners.  Its a humanitarian crisis.

Oh I am aware you are not the good guy. You are the willfully ignorant naive guy who thinks he is helping but ends up destroying everything. Most American citizens are complicit in murder? WHAT? You really are heavily indoctrinated against this nation aren't you?

The Holocaust happened because of knobs like you engaging in a hive mind mentality marching people to their doom with a smile the whole time reassuring them everything will be fine, and their fears are unwarranted, just like you are doing. I might add they were Socialists too...

Nice paywalled article btw, very moving. So your argument is that ICE some how poisoned her in the what 90 minutes she was on the bus? They had signed a form she was healthy 90 minutes prior. Your argument is not that she was actually ill and lied, but that ICE come how secretly killed her on that 90 minute bus ride to punish her father for crossing illegally?

Yes, why should the people who put that child in that situation in the first place be responsible right? Oh a humanitarian crisis is it? Well perhaps if retards like you didn't just put out the welcome mat, they wouldn't have the incorrect impression they could just stroll on in now would they? I submit that YOU AND YOUR IDEOLOGY are the humanitarian crisis causing ALL of this.

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"That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. .....

It's worth noting that these statistics change depending on location. In some areas, the states along the US/Mexican border, they are horribly worse and constitute a crisis.

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Yes, you are repeatedly trying to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants. Also that is complete horse shit which I had already refuted with documentation from the GAO.

"That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their population."

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities


Illegal immigrants by their very entry into the nation illegally show they have no regard for our laws. Even if what you said were true (it absolutely is not) it still would not make it ok that they illegally flood the country.

That article only talks about federal crimes because, conveniently, all immigration crimes are federal.  This is a genius slight of hand used by thehill to trick people like yourself into thinking the way you do but the fact is, most crime is at the state level so when sorted this way, its very misleading.  Just go to the article and search "federal" and you will see that all of the stats are based on federal crimes, federal persecutors and federal prisons.  Its a weaponized article because anyone who doesn't understand the difference between federal crime and state crime is going to be convinced.

I see, so this country will forever be the spoils of war. Not any other country of course, no, just the evil USA. No other country was founded by conquest, only here. Everyone does not break laws, and your "stat" is horse shit. Your "oh white men commit more terror" act is ABSOLUTELY what about-ism, and false at that. We aren't talking about Europe Captain Distraction, we are talking about the USA. Furthermore I don't think you want to use Europe as an example of the successes of open borders.

Who said the US was the only country? No one. Please tell me a sub group of the population that does not break laws. We weren't talking about Europe until you made this statement.

"No nation can withstand open borders combined with a welfare state, it is IMPOSSIBLE."

I'll give you a chance to retract that wild statement since it somehow doesn't encompass Europe.

and this
https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/who-are-terrorists/

2. I don't give a fuck what you like or want. Your argument is now having an open border DOESN'T make smuggling easier? Also you are just going to gloss over the fact it makes it easier to traffic children for prostitution?

3. You are CONSTANTLY saying shit that conflicts with everything else you say. It is a consequence of having no principals and the mental gymnastics you do to try to pretend like you have an argument. OH I SEE! The BORDER ITSELF is responsible for the rape and murder! Wow it is all so clear now. I never knew geographic lines were capable of such horrors.

4.  You have a total misunderstanding of ... pretty much everything in life that stems from your generalization of entire populations simply because they disagree with you. Keep your psychoanalysis to yourself Dr. Phil. Unless you want some one with real knowledge in this area to rip apart your frail little belief systems. You don't know shit about me.

"a. there are a lot of criminals in central america" - CHECK
"b. the refugees are coming from central america" - I never said they were all from S.A., but this current wave mostly is, yes.
"c. therefore, the refugees are criminals" - Fuck you. Don't speak for me. I never said all "refugees" are criminals.

Also they aren't "refugees", they aren't fleeing a war, they are economic migrants. Every word you use to describe them is a manipulative lie. It seems so simple to you because you are ignoring vast amounts of information because it conflicts with what you WANT to be true, and with your emotions, not because you are some superior evolved being that has more understanding than us racist plebeians who argue against you. People benefiting from crime have ALL THE REASON TO COME HERE, because this is where the valuable shit to steal is, and the people to sell drugs to and victimize live. This statement contains zero logic on your part (as usual).

5. GREAT NEWS! Legal immigration already exists, so your wish has come true. The fact that you want endless uncontrolled amounts of impoverished low skilled people to flood into the country is irrelevant. What you are advocating for is simply the same as the other bullshit you have said, only with a rubber stamp on top.

6. MOST 2ND GENERATION IMMIGRANTS ARE HERE AS A RESULT OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION. The rest of your argument is fucking pointless as a result.

2.  Of course it doesn't make smuggling easier.  Smuggling is already easy.  You are the one who talked about all the bad shit being smuggled into the US.  A change to funnel immigrants through actual ports could make smuggling more difficult because you would have the main volume of people walking through ports being checked while the smugglers would be lonely trying to find another way in.  There would be no caravans to "hide amongst" as you suggest is happening now.

4. I think you need to understand the situation in Honduras before we can continue.  That will give you insight into why people are leaving and why the people who are responsible for the crime can only do it there where the political situation allows them to.  Those same people would be powerless to run their schemes in the US.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/07/crisis-of-honduras-democracy-has-roots-in-us-tacit-support-for-2009-coup

5. Human rights are very simple. Freedom of movement.  I'm not going to tell people where they have to go.  You wouldn't like it if someone said you had to go live in Honduras, (the place that YOU ruined) and tried to ship you there and you already think the analogy is ridiculous because you are convinced you earned the right to safety here more than them simply by being born.  

Oh I am aware you are not the good guy. You are the willfully ignorant naive guy who thinks he is helping but ends up destroying everything. Most American citizens are complicit in murder? WHAT? You really are heavily indoctrinated against this nation aren't you?

The Holocaust happened because of knobs like you engaging in a hive mind mentality marching people to their doom with a smile the whole time reassuring them everything will be fine, and their fears are unwarranted, just like you are doing. I might add they were Socialists too...

Nice paywalled article btw, very moving. So your argument is that ICE some how poisoned her in the what 90 minutes she was on the bus? They had signed a form she was healthy 90 minutes prior. Your argument is not that she was actually ill and lied, but that ICE come how secretly killed her on that 90 minute bus ride to punish her father for crossing illegally?

Yes, why should the people who put that child in that situation in the first place be responsible right? Oh a humanitarian crisis is it? Well perhaps if retards like you didn't just put out the welcome mat, they wouldn't have the incorrect impression they could just stroll on in now would they? I submit that YOU AND YOUR IDEOLOGY are the humanitarian crisis causing ALL of this.

Hahaha the classic "hitler was a socialist" comment BINGO.  I'M CALLING BINGO.  

I have no reason to be biased against the nation that made me richer than most people on the planet simply by being born.  You have every reason to blindly believe might is right.   I'm just indoctrinated in the facts.  Anyone who allows crimes to be committed without doing everything in their power to stop it is complicit.  That means we are not only complicit in deaths at the border, but also complicit in the millions of deaths during unjust wars. We are also complicit in yemen.

Even if we don't support those wars, we allowed our government to do it on our behalf. I don't think we did everything possible to stop them. There was more direct action against the Vietnam war and those individuals I'd say are absolved

I'm saying that the agents neglected the little girl.  They didn't poison her but they didn't keep her healthy.  When you have a child in your custody, you are responsible for whatever happens.  7 year olds cannot care for themselves especially in stressed situations.  You have to talk to a child in a very gentle way and tell them stories and get them to open up to you so you can find out they are thirsty. You have to earn a child's trust before they will even talk to you.  

It has nothing to do with a welcome mat.  They had to leave and have nowhere else to go so there are no good options for them.  I've been pushing for immigration reform for decades and even recently called for more judges and processing at the border.  We have only seen an increase in cops.    Cops are not caretakers.   This is what cops do.

[TECSHARE]

That article only talks about federal crimes because, conveniently, all immigration crimes are federal.  This is a genius slight of hand used by thehill to trick people like yourself into thinking the way you do but the fact is, most crime is at the state level so when sorted this way, its very misleading.  Just go to the article and search "federal" and you will see that all of the stats are based on federal crimes, federal persecutors and federal prisons.  Its a weaponized article because anyone who doesn't understand the difference between federal crime and state crime is going to be convinced.

And? Does the fact that they are federal crimes make it any less of an issue? The only sleight of hand is when you tilt your head a bit of that Postmodernist mind mush you call a brain leaks out and you wipe it from your ear. That and the fact you rely on collectivized state level stats to hide the exceptional levels of crime in Southern regional border states. Most crime is state level. You claim it is more accurate while in the same breath use the fact that some states have very low numbers of illegal immigrants as some kind of proof of their law abidingness.

Also most illegal immigrants DON'T CALL THE COPS, but lets pretend that part has no effect on the reported stats shall we? if anything the stats are UNDER reported. Illegal aliens are not more law abiding than citizens here of any sort. Every link you post requires some leftist to massage the stats other people present until they get the result they like. Also once again, even if every illegal immigrant was an angel, it still gives them no right to flood into the country, no matter how Postmodern your views on borders are.

Who said the US was the only country? No one. Please tell me a sub group of the population that does not break laws. We weren't talking about Europe until you made this statement.

"No nation can withstand open borders combined with a welfare state, it is IMPOSSIBLE."

I'll give you a chance to retract that wild statement since it somehow doesn't encompass Europe.

and this
https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/who-are-terrorists/

I just wanted to check to see how off your rocker you are, and you confirmed fully thank you. Essentially your view is no nation is valid and no one has rights to their land, borders, or anything because at some point in time it was taken by conquest. A subgroup of the population that doesn't break laws? How about law abiding citizens? Actually you brought up Europe, but far be it from me to expect you to even remember the crap you spew at me mindlessly.

I am not retracting anything. Open borders was fine for Europe when it was limited and the nations sharing those open borders shared a similar culture. That is different from just the open flooding in of immigrants from the 3rd world. As you can see that has been having negative effects on Europe for some time, and this is why you have the yellow vest movement. They aren't protesting gas tax, they are protesting the crushing weight of uncontrolled immigration combined with a welfare state. Those conditions are going to end, either in revolution or horrible failure, or maybe both. Of course people like you will claim you were right even as your own home is over run and burned to the ground, your last breath preaching tolerance and sacrifice, your ego too important to sacrifice, even for your life.

2.  Of course it doesn't make smuggling easier.  Smuggling is already easy.  You are the one who talked about all the bad shit being smuggled into the US.  A change to funnel immigrants through actual ports could make smuggling more difficult because you would have the main volume of people walking through ports being checked while the smugglers would be lonely trying to find another way in.  There would be no caravans to "hide amongst" as you suggest is happening now.

4. I think you need to understand the situation in Honduras before we can continue.  That will give you insight into why people are leaving and why the people who are responsible for the crime can only do it there where the political situation allows them to.  Those same people would be powerless to run their schemes in the US.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/07/crisis-of-honduras-democracy-has-roots-in-us-tacit-support-for-2009-coup

5. Human rights are very simple. Freedom of movement.  I'm not going to tell people where they have to go.  You wouldn't like it if someone said you had to go live in Honduras, (the place that YOU ruined) and tried to ship you there and you already think the analogy is ridiculous because you are convinced you earned the right to safety here more than them simply by being born.

2. So your argument is that having no security or checks on a border does not make moving contraband (including sex slave children) across it easier? You are free to have your own opinions, but not free to have your own reality. Either way under your scenario they still have a group of people to hide among. This is obviously a pretty retarded argument to anyone with any critical thought abilities.

4. You know, it really sucks some people live in bad places. I wish that was not reality, but it is reality, and inviting them all here to join us is not going to make anything better for anyone. In fact the end result will be worse for all parties, including the immigrants. Immigration has always been controlled to allow time for assimilation into the culture, without this the fabric of the USA is eroded, but people like you often think this is a desirable result.

5. Oh I ruined Honduras now? Fuck you and your guilt projection. Just calling it simple doesn't magically make it simple, though I know that concept is one Postmodernists and Socialists struggle with. I am convinced you are a fool, and I have a right to not let fools like you destroy my country with your moronic catastrophe of an ideology.

Hahaha the classic "hitler was a socialist" comment BINGO.  I'M CALLING BINGO.  

I have no reason to be biased against the nation that made me richer than most people on the planet simply by being born.  You have every reason to blindly believe might is right.   I'm just indoctrinated in the facts.  Anyone who allows crimes to be committed without doing everything in their power to stop it is complicit.  That means we are not only complicit in deaths at the border, but also complicit in the millions of deaths during unjust wars. We are also complicit in yemen.

Even if we don't support those wars, we allowed our government to do it on our behalf. I don't think we did everything possible to stop them. There was more direct action against the Vietnam war and those individuals I'd say are absolved

I'm saying that the agents neglected the little girl.  They didn't poison her but they didn't keep her healthy.  When you have a child in your custody, you are responsible for whatever happens.  7 year olds cannot care for themselves especially in stressed situations.  You have to talk to a child in a very gentle way and tell them stories and get them to open up to you so you can find out they are thirsty. You have to earn a child's trust before they will even talk to you.  

It has nothing to do with a welcome mat.  They had to leave and have nowhere else to go so there are no good options for them.  I've been pushing for immigration reform for decades and even recently called for more judges and processing at the border.  We have only seen an increase in cops.    Cops are not caretakers.   This is what cops do.

It is a fact, Hitler helped form the National Socialist German Workers Party. I know it is an embarrassing fact you socialists try to avoid at all costs, because if we started looking into every dictator who came to power using the promises of Socialism, the bodies would pile high and fast. You can't have that now can you? Easier to just make a joke out of it and pretend it is irrelevant and just avoid the whole discussion right?

You are either exceptionally incompetent or exceptionally duplicitous. I am not sure which but it doesn't much matter as the results are the same, just like it doesn't matter if you THINK you are bias against this nation, when you, in fact and action are.

Once again you can go fuck yourself with your projections of guilt. If you want to go self flagellate over it privately have at it, you don't get to pretend it entitles you to have me join you. You don't know what happened to that girl, and previously you were even saying they killed her with intent to punish them. You walking that one back now?

I submit the girl was already seriously ill, and they were trying to come here to get free healthcare. They knew if they checked the box that said she was ill, they would be quarantined and possibly have entry delayed. How is ICE supposed to protect the lives of people if they are actively lying to them about their condition? No what is most logical is they murdered a little girl to show the rest of those bastards what happens if you try to come here right?

It has ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING to do with your welcome mat. Morons like you preach the word that they are all welcome and that it is legal for them to flood in over our border, and that its ok because it is a "human right". Because of this they take huge risks to their lives and the lives of their children for a chance to get in, but then they get here and realize you were full of shit, but only after they made the dangerous expensive journey. Of course you don't give a fuck about any immigrants, you give a fuck that they serve to spread the good word of Postmodernism, and you get to feel good about yourself leaving bottles of water for them from your position of superiority.

[Spendulus]

.....There was more direct action against the Vietnam war and those individuals I'd say are absolved

You'd be wrong, but that's the norm.

I'm saying that the agents neglected the little girl. ....

In saying that without any facts to support your insult, you'd be making things up, otherwise known as lying. If you have facts, by all mean bring them forth, otherwise shut the fuck up, because you are insulting good people working in Border Patrol for clearly ideological biased reasons.

[coins4commies]

And? Does the fact that they are federal crimes make it any less of an issue? The only sleight of hand is when you tilt your head a bit of that Postmodernist mind mush you call a brain leaks out and you wipe it from your ear. That and the fact you rely on collectivized state level stats to hide the exceptional levels of crime in Southern regional border states. Most crime is state level. You claim it is more accurate while in the same breath use the fact that some states have very low numbers of illegal immigrants as some kind of proof of their law abidingness.

Also most illegal immigrants DON'T CALL THE COPS, but lets pretend that part has no effect on the reported stats shall we? if anything the stats are UNDER reported. Illegal aliens are not more law abiding than citizens here of any sort. Every link you post requires some leftist to massage the stats other people present until they get the result they like. Also once again, even if every illegal immigrant was an angel, it still gives them no right to flood into the country, no matter how Postmodern your views on borders are.

Well since existing as an illegal immigrant is a federal crime, then of course they commit more federal crime but the important question is if they commit more violent crime because you are talking about safety.  By the way, we already have a rape culture and 75% of rape goes unreported.  People are much less likely to call the cops on their significant other than they are on some foreigner.

I just wanted to check to see how off your rocker you are, and you confirmed fully thank you. Essentially your view is no nation is valid and no one has rights to their land, borders, or anything because at some point in time it was taken by conquest. A subgroup of the population that doesn't break laws? How about law abiding citizens? Actually you brought up Europe, but far be it from me to expect you to even remember the crap you spew at me mindlessly.

I am not retracting anything. Open borders was fine for Europe when it was limited and the nations sharing those open borders shared a similar culture. That is different from just the open flooding in of immigrants from the 3rd world. As you can see that has been having negative effects on Europe for some time, and this is why you have the yellow vest movement. They aren't protesting gas tax, they are protesting the crushing weight of uncontrolled immigration combined with a welfare state. Those conditions are going to end, either in revolution or horrible failure, or maybe both. Of course people like you will claim you were right even as your own home is over run and burned to the ground, your last breath preaching tolerance and sacrifice, your ego too important to sacrifice, even for your life.

I expect consistency.  You can't claim to be all about borders and rights to land while living on someone else's land.  If the people on this side were simultaneously advocating for the return of native lands, I'd respect them for their consistency.  I have no tolerance for hypocrisy.  You didn't mention Europe specifially but when you say "no nation can withstand...its impossible" that statement should either include European nations or be revised to acknowledge the possibility.  Nice try but yellow vests are protesting capitalism.  Some of the demands are outright socialist btw.  Let me just put an end to conservatives trying to claim Gilet Jaunes right now

1. Housing for all homeless people

2. A more progressive tax system
3. Minimum wage of 1,300€/month
4. Measures to protect small businesses (stop building malls, no more “big box” stores), more parking spaces in downtowns
5. Government program for insulating homes & other buildings
6. Big businesses (McDonald’s, Google, Amazon...) should pay big taxes & small businesses pay small ones
7. Same health insurance system for all (including self-employed)
8. Keep retirement system the way it is now (working people pay the pensions of retirees)
9. No more increases on fuel taxes
10. No old age pensions below 1,200€/month
11. All elected officials should earn French median income + reimbursement of travel costs if justified + meal tickets
12. All salaries & government benefits must be indexed on inflation
13. Protect French industry, outlaw delocalizations
14. End the European system whereby workers from other European countries are paid the lower salaries and benefits of their respective countries rather than French wages and benefits
15. Job security. Larger businesses should be obliged to give more employees permanent contracts (CDI)
16. Create a French industry of hydrogen powered automobiles
17. End the politics of austerity
18.   Better treatment for asylum seekers. Provide lodging, food, security & ...
18. (cont.) ... education for minors. Work with the UN to build camps in many countries to hold asylum seekers until their papers are processed
19. Accompany those who are not granted asylum back to the countries they came from
20. Create a program for integrating immigrants. Living in France entails becoming French (certificate program in French language, history, civics)
21. Maximum salary fixed at 15,000€/month
22. Jobs for the unemployed

Uh-oh, missed one up thread 😩
Here’s the one I missed, should have been number 18:

18. Treat the causes that are forcing people to migrate.
24. Increase disability pensions
25. Rent control. More social housing and in particular housing for college students, contractors, gig economy workers, people without steady jobs
26. Outlaw the sale of French public property (dams, airports...)
27. Allocate much more money to the justice system, the police and the armed forces. Pay police officers overtime or allow them to take the corresponding hours off
28. The totality of sums collected at toll booths should go to maintaining the countries highways & roads...
28. (cont.) ... and to road security.
29. As the prices of natural gas & electricity have risen since these sectors were privatized, we demand the re-nationalization of these industries and the lowering of prices
30. An immediate end to the closings of smaller train lines,...
30. (cont.) ... post offices, schools and maternity wards
31. Well-being for our elderly. Outlaw for-profit elderly care. The time of “gray gold” has come to an end
32. A maximum of 25 students per class from nursery school through high school
33. More public financing of psychiatry
34. Write a popular referendum system into the Constitution. Create an on-line referendum site where citizens can propose new laws, overseen by an independent body. If a proposition receives over 700,000 votes it should be introduced...
34. (cont.) into Congress, accordingly completed, amended and discussed before all citizens are allowed to vote on it (within exactly one year of obtaining the 700,000 signatures)
35. Return to a presidential mandate of 7 years (currently it’s 5) with interim elections of reps
36. Retirement for all at 60 years old and at 55 for people in professions that are hard on the body (construction work...)
37. Extension of public aid to parents paying for daycare for children up until 10 years of age
38. Incentivize transportation of merchandise by rail
39. No withholding of income tax
40. Presidents should no longer receive a salary for life
41. Outlaw the tax paid by shopkeepers each time a client pays by credit or debit card
42. Tax kerosene, air and maritime fuels

It is a fact, Hitler helped form the National Socialist German Workers Party. I know it is an embarrassing fact you socialists try to avoid at all costs, because if we started looking into every dictator who came to power using the promises of Socialism, the bodies would pile high and fast. You can't have that now can you? Easier to just make a joke out of it and pretend it is irrelevant and just avoid the whole discussion right?

You are either exceptionally incompetent or exceptionally duplicitous. I am not sure which but it doesn't much matter as the results are the same, just like it doesn't matter if you THINK you are bias against this nation, when you, in fact and action are.

Once again you can go fuck yourself with your projections of guilt. If you want to go self flagellate over it privately have at it, you don't get to pretend it entitles you to have me join you. You don't know what happened to that girl, and previously you were even saying they killed her with intent to punish them. You walking that one back now?

I submit the girl was already seriously ill, and they were trying to come here to get free healthcare. They knew if they checked the box that said she was ill, they would be quarantined and possibly have entry delayed. How is ICE supposed to protect the lives of people if they are actively lying to them about their condition? No what is most logical is they murdered a little girl to show the rest of those bastards what happens if you try to come here right?

It has ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING to do with your welcome mat. Morons like you preach the word that they are all welcome and that it is legal for them to flood in over our border, and that its ok because it is a "human right". Because of this they take huge risks to their lives and the lives of their children for a chance to get in, but then they get here and realize you were full of shit, but only after they made the dangerous expensive journey. Of course you don't give a fuck about any immigrants, you give a fuck that they serve to spread the good word of Postmodernism, and you get to feel good about yourself leaving bottles of water for them from your position of superiority.

I forgot that you only look at the name of the party and stop there.  In your mind, anything with the word "socialist" in its name is the product of Marx.   I categorize events, systems and politicians by their actions in accordance to actual economic theory, and not just by the name of their party.  

There is intent to not take proper care of these kids.  The legal term for that is criminal negligence.  I'm not walking anything back. There is reason why there is so much negligence at the border.  I don't believe its just incompetence at all levels.  Its incompetence by design.   There is a reason the conditions are bad.  They don't want the process of families being to be comfortable.  

You said it yourself you know some of these people may be sick so a real human would have these people received by medical professionals  instead of holding them for 8 hours then putting them on a bus.  

I didn't roll out the welcome mat.  Its been sitting in New York Harbor all this time.

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

If you were consistent, you'd be pushing to have this text removed but I don't see anyone with your ideology proposing to remove something that you think is so damaging to the nation.  If there was something that represented an idea the left thought was damaging, like, o i don't know a CONFEDERATE STATUE, I bet you would see leftists pushing to have it taken down.  

[coins4commies]

I'm saying that the agents neglected the little girl. ....

In saying that without any facts to support your insult, you'd be making things up, otherwise known as lying. If you have facts, by all mean bring them forth, otherwise shut the fuck up, because you are insulting good people working in Border Patrol for clearly ideological biased reasons.

TECSHARE also said I don't know what happened to the girl.  The girl died due to dehydration which is easily preventable.  That is fact. 

[Spendulus]

....
There is intent to not take proper care of these kids.  The legal term for that is criminal negligence.  I'm not walking anything back. There is reason why there is so much negligence at the border.  I don't believe its just incompetence at all levels.  Its incompetence by design.   There is a reason the conditions are bad.  They don't want the process of families being to be comfortable.  ....

So now you are the One who will with a keen eye, moralize on the actions of our border officers. But you have shown a consistent pattern of not telling the truth, so why should I believe you?

The border officers, on the other hand generally do tell the truth.

[TECSHARE]

I'm saying that the agents neglected the little girl. ....

In saying that without any facts to support your insult, you'd be making things up, otherwise known as lying. If you have facts, by all mean bring them forth, otherwise shut the fuck up, because you are insulting good people working in Border Patrol for clearly ideological biased reasons.

TECSHARE also said I don't know what happened to the girl.  The girl died due to dehydration which is easily preventable.  That is fact.  

Yes, I am sure the dehydration was during that 90 minute bus ride, not the hike thru the desert that the father exposed her to.

[Spendulus]

I'm saying that the agents neglected the little girl. ....

In saying that without any facts to support your insult, you'd be making things up, otherwise known as lying. If you have facts, by all mean bring them forth, otherwise shut the fuck up, because you are insulting good people working in Border Patrol for clearly ideological biased reasons.

TECSHARE also said I don't know what happened to the girl.  The girl died due to dehydration which is easily preventable.  That is fact. 

You've made some serious accusations and outright insults about people who I consider going out of their way to help people in their jobs as border agents.

I don't think you know anything about dehydration. Maybe look it up, ya think? because after serious damage to organs and systems occurs, 90 minutes one way or the other and water or saline solution isn't going to help.

You've brushed off the reality of near death with the phrase "Easily preventable?" That's not true, and not supportable. More mis statements of fact won't support it.

[coins4commies]

the 90 minute figure is just wrong and I had already posted an article with the timeline.  They went into custody at Antelope Falls which was a  bus ride to Lordsburg but they were held for eight hours before being bused. 

The group was taken into custody in the New Mexico desert six miles south of Lordsburg, N.M. at 9:15 p.m. local time on December 6, according to a timeline from CBP. A little more than 8 hours later, at 6:25 a.m. local time, the girl was reportedly having seizures and emergency responders measured her fever at 105.7 degrees.

How can you mistake 9:15-6:25 as 90 minutes?

[Spendulus]

the 90 minute figure is just wrong and I had already posted an article with the timeline.  They went into custody at Antelope Falls which was a  bus ride to Lordsburg but they were held for eight hours before being bused. 

The group was taken into custody in the New Mexico desert six miles south of Lordsburg, N.M. at 9:15 p.m. local time on December 6, according to a timeline from CBP. A little more than 8 hours later, at 6:25 a.m. local time, the girl was reportedly having seizures and emergency responders measured her fever at 105.7 degrees.

How can you mistake 9:15-6:25 as 90 minutes?

You are misrepresenting the facts in your own link and pushing a fabricated story, in alleging misconduct by the Border Patrol.

Do you want to stop, or would you like it pointed out, fact by fact?

[coins4commies]

Me saying the border patrol "murdered" the girl is hyperbole. An example of a lie would be calling 8 hours "90 minutes".    If you knowingly neglect to provide childcare at a place that has a large influx of families without children, it only a matter of time before something like this happens. 

The misconduct is that they do not have proper staff for handling children at the facilities that receive them.  They knew a lot more people were coming with children and did nothing to add child specialists.  If you show me that they have child psychologists, pediatricians, and family social workers present at these facilities, then I will concede, until then, I will continued to say that they are criminally negligent.

[Spendulus]

Me saying the border patrol "murdered" the girl is hyperbole. ....

Thank you for the correction.

....The misconduct is that they do not have proper staff for handling children at the facilities that receive them.  They knew a lot more people were coming with children and did nothing to add child specialists.  If you show me that they have child psychologists, pediatricians, and family social workers present at these facilities, then I will concede, until then, I will continued to say that they are criminally negligent.

By way of your reasoning public beaches must have child psychologists, pediatricians, and family social workers present because there is danger of drowning, and death or near death by shark attack.

In the real world there is no misconduct whatsoever. Frankly I'd prefer to have the child psychologists, pediatricians, and family social workers present at the inner city Chicago slum facilities than in random border stations in the desert of the border.

[TECSHARE]

Is this thread about open borders or this girl? This is what you do constantly because you have no original thoughts or arguments of your own. You know you are losing this debate horribly so you decide to focus in on the minutia of this incident to try to make it look like you some how are informed because you discuss details so much. Really it is just so you can avoid the rest. The girl was not complaining of problems until she got on that bus. It was only after on that bus is when her father made it known she was ill. The fact that she sat around for 8 hours is no fault but her fathers for subjecting her to this, then not telling the patrol agents she was ill. Also during those 8 hours she had access to food and water, so your argument is pure horse shit. This is what happens when idiots like you tell these people they have a right to be here, they endanger themselves to cross illegally just to be detained. If anyone is responsible for her death it is YOU and people like you telling them to come.