NPR's Border Fact Check

[Spendulus]

...This is what happens when idiots like you tell these people they have a right to be here, they endanger themselves to cross illegal just to be detained. If anyone is responsible for her death it is YOU and people like you telling them to come.

A bit of enticing water randomly placed in a 100 x 500 miles of desert.

And a promise that they're welcome.....

They naively start into that desert....

Yes, that sounds like murder to me.

ADDED:

It's quite interesting that illegals have been dying, like dozens per year for decades trying to sneak into the USA through dangerous routes like the desert, and the liberals never cared. Now there's some hot issue on the goose stepping liberal platform. Now suddenly they all care about this young girl that died.

Yeah right...

Lying cunts.

[coins4commies]

The difference is that they are dying in custody now and children are being tortured in detention facilities.  We have video showing the abuse, video showing the destruction of water, and the body count.  The evidence is piling up. 

So what about the 8 year old boy who died last week? 

[TECSHARE]

The difference is that they are dying in custody now and children are being tortured in detention facilities.  We have video showing the abuse, video showing the destruction of water, and the body count.  The evidence is piling up.  

So what about the 8 year old boy who died last week?  

Oh please do post this "evidence" that is "piling up". Torture now? How quickly are you going to be scaling back that claim and then swearing it was just "hyperbole" when you get called out on it like when you claim ICE killed that little girl to punish people for crossing and send a message? That's not hyperbole btw, that is an accusation of genocide, but not like you give a fuck about an honest analysis of anyone you disagree with.

Ooooo they kicked jugs of water over. You know what they are more humanitarian than you are, because people like you convince these poorly prepared people that they should cross that dangerous desert because they think they can get in. Why would you take culpability for all the lives YOU caused to be lost by encouraging people to make that dangerous and illegal journey.

Also thanks to the freakout over the supposed separation of families (which was not new under Trump) designed to protect crossing children from CHILD ABUSERS, they now see bringing children with them (theirs or some one else's) as an exploit and an easy way to gain entry. So in effect you have now given these people direct incentive to drag children, often not even their own, through the fucking desert. Good job. You keep crying about some water jugs though while you totally ignore your own idiotic crimes.

[coins4commies]

The difference is that they are dying in custody now and children are being tortured in detention facilities.  We have video showing the abuse, video showing the destruction of water, and the body count.  The evidence is piling up.  

So what about the 8 year old boy who died last week?  

Oh please do post this "evidence" that is "piling up". Torture now? How quickly are you going to be scaling back that claim and then swearing it was just "hyperbole" when you get called out on it like when you claim ICE killed that little girl to punish people for crossing and send a message? That's not hyperbole btw, that is an accusation of genocide, but not like you give a fuck about an honest analysis of anyone you disagree with.

Ooooo they kicked jugs of water over. You know what they are more humanitarian than you are, because people like you convince these poorly prepared people that they should cross that dangerous desert because they think they can get in. Why would you take culpability for all the lives YOU caused to be lost by encouraging people to make that dangerous and illegal journey.

Also thanks to the freakout over the supposed separation of families (which was not new under Trump) designed to protect crossing children from CHILD ABUSERS, they now see bringing children with them (theirs or some one else's) as an exploit and an easy way to gain entry. So in effect you have now given these people direct incentive to drag children, often not even their own, through the fucking desert. Good job. You keep crying about some water jugs though while you totally ignore your own idiotic crimes.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/migrant-children-detail-experiences-border-patrol-stations-detention-centers_us_5b4d13ffe4b0de86f485ade8
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/un-trump-children-family-torture-separation-border-mexico-border-ice-detention-a8411676.html
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/12/31/migrant-children-pushed-and-dragged-mh-orig.cnn
Also a private system of detaining children for profit is capitalist nonsense to begin with. No ethic.  Just profit.

The hyperbole was saying that they "murdered" the little girl when they didn't literally murder her but essentially murdered her through a system that was intentionally designed to be inadequate.  Systemic racism doesn't target individuals and doesn't even involve an malintended killer at the point of attack.  Its much more complicated than that.

Even from your point of view that they are violating our rights, it should still be considered murder.  If you know someone is breaking into your property, and place a booby trap for them to fall into and die, it would still be murder.  This of course, is more complicated than that but the same logic.  The border patrol and detainment system is the booby trap. 

These children aren't spending a lot of time in the desert and aren't dying in the desert.  They are dying at the US border or in US custody.   Water in the desert would help prepare them so they aren't already dehyrdated before they are taken into a system that will make them go long times without water by design.  Other countries along their path have not had this issue and governments like Mexico have actually blamed the US for deaths. It shouldn't be that Mexico can do it in a more human way than the US. 

We could keep the awful system without murdering people by making simple changes to acknowledge humanity. 

-Immediately provide detainees with bottled water and hydration tablets
-Immediate medical screening for detainees (you should like this one since you're worried about disease)
-Immediate psychological counseling for detainees.
-Only licensed childcare workers working in child detention centers

A system designed WITHOUT proper care is a system designed to kill or torture. 

[TECSHARE]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/migrant-children-detail-experiences-border-patrol-stations-detention-centers_us_5b4d13ffe4b0de86f485ade8
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/un-trump-children-family-torture-separation-border-mexico-border-ice-detention-a8411676.html
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/12/31/migrant-children-pushed-and-dragged-mh-orig.cnn
Also a private system of detaining children for profit is capitalist nonsense to begin with. No ethic.  Just profit.

The hyperbole was saying that they "murdered" the little girl when they didn't literally murder her but essentially murdered her through a system that was intentionally designed to be inadequate.  Systemic racism doesn't target individuals and doesn't even involve an malintended killer at the point of attack.  Its much more complicated than that.

Even from your point of view that they are violating our rights, it should still be considered murder.  If you know someone is breaking into your property, and place a booby trap for them to fall into and die, it would still be murder.  This of course, is more complicated than that but the same logic.  The border patrol and detainment system is the booby trap.  

These children aren't spending a lot of time in the desert and aren't dying in the desert.  They are dying at the US border or in US custody.   Water in the desert would help prepare them so they aren't already dehyrdated before they are taken into a system that will make them go long times without water by design.  Other countries along their path have not had this issue and governments like Mexico have actually blamed the US for deaths. It shouldn't be that Mexico can do it in a more human way than the US.  

We could keep the awful system without murdering people by making simple changes to acknowledge humanity.  

-Immediately provide detainees with bottled water and hydration tablets
-Immediate medical screening for detainees (you should like this one since you're worried about disease)
-Immediate psychological counseling for detainees.
-Only licensed childcare workers working in child detention centers

A system designed WITHOUT proper care is a system designed to kill or torture.  

Except you said:

They made an example out of this innocent child just to send an example to anyone else who might want to bring their kid out of imminent danger.

So the part about them making an example out of her was hyperbole too? You don't just get to say insane shit like this and just walk it back like it didn't happen. This kind of statement is demonstrative of your hysterical and obsessive mindset over this issue where feelings count more than facts.

Those are some cute links. Don't see any torture there though. I see lots of extremists such as yourself claiming it is torture, I don't see any evidence of torture though. I think you just believe anyone who reaffirms your existing belief systems regardless of how nonsensical it is.

Intentionally designed to be inadequate? Inadequate for what? According to what standards? So you saying we aren't meeting the comfort needs of criminals trying to illegally invade our country? We really should step up our customer service shouldn't we? I suppose you are going to foot the bill for this too right?

First of all, bodies are found in the desert by the dozens all the time, yes including children, so they do in fact spend a lot of time in the desert. Second, learn how dehydration works. The damage is caused, then already injured they show up at the border, and morons like you blame it on the border patrol rather than their own dangerous behavior. Medical screening requires people be admitted in a legal an orderly fashion, illegal entry precludes screening by default unless captured. Only licensed childcare workers? LOL, you think that might create shortages for them for everyone else?

Nothing you are presenting is based in reality, and your feelings take precedence over facts you are presented.

[Spendulus]

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Nothing you are presenting is based in reality, and your feelings take precedence over facts you are presented.

Some of the most desolate places maybe in the whole world, excepting Antarctica, are along the US/Mexican border. Child care workers at those remote outposts?

What a frikking bunch of crazed talk. But its all in line with Alinsky's method of overwhelming social services in the targeted country, so this butt hole of a poster can complain all he wants but it's all in line with his attempts to overthrow existing systems.

I don't think he really cares about these people one bit.

[BADecker]

You all gotta remember. If a Hispanic man takes his case to Federal District Court as a man, with the requirement for a jury of his peers, he will get 12 other Hispanics as his jury. How do you think they will vote?

[TECSHARE]

You all gotta remember. If a Hispanic man takes his case to Federal District Court as a man, with the requirement for a jury of his peers, he will get 12 other Hispanics as his jury. How do you think they will vote?

Frankly if they are integrated into American culture it doesn't matter. However if you let immigrants flood in there is no time for that to happen and the native culture is displaced, and the cultural values are lost, and that does matter.

[coins4commies]

You all gotta remember. If a Hispanic man takes his case to Federal District Court as a man, with the requirement for a jury of his peers, he will get 12 other Hispanics as his jury. How do you think they will vote?

Frankly if they are integrated into American culture it doesn't matter. However if you let immigrants flood in there is no time for that to happen and the native culture is displaced, and the cultural values are lost, and that does matter.

Wasn't it you that said this happened so long ago so what is the point in even trying when native culture cannot be further displaced at this point?  It would be nearly impossible to restore native cultural values. 

[coins4commies]

So the part about them making an example out of her was hyperbole too? You don't just get to say insane shit like this and just walk it back like it didn't happen. This kind of statement is demonstrative of your hysterical and obsessive mindset over this issue where feelings count more than facts.

Those are some cute links. Don't see any torture there though. I see lots of extremists such as yourself claiming it is torture, I don't see any evidence of torture though. I think you just believe anyone who reaffirms your existing belief systems regardless of how nonsensical it is.

Intentionally designed to be inadequate? Inadequate for what? According to what standards? So you saying we aren't meeting the comfort needs of criminals trying to illegally invade our country? We really should step up our customer service shouldn't we? I suppose you are going to foot the bill for this too right?

First of all, bodies are found in the desert by the dozens all the time, yes including children, so they do in fact spend a lot of time in the desert. Second, learn how dehydration works. The damage is caused, then already injured they show up at the border, and morons like you blame it on the border patrol rather than their own dangerous behavior. Medical screening requires people be admitted in a legal an orderly fashion, illegal entry precludes screening by default unless captured. Only licensed childcare workers? LOL, you think that might create shortages for them for everyone else?

Nothing you are presenting is based in reality, and your feelings take precedence over facts you are presented.

I'm saying that our policies and strict border enforcement is the main driving force of death.  If we didn't have such strict policies, these people wouldn't have to take risky paths through the desert because they would just come straight in through less secluded areas.   Having to do so much dodging, hiding, and sneaking is the dangerous behavior.   I blame it on border patrol, because if they weren't doing their job, the people wouldn't have to be out in the desert for so long in the first place. 

I am not arguing for illegal immigration or anything extreme. I am arguing that we allow them enter the country legally and seek asylum after entry. That is orderly and common international law.  Of course this is based on my feelings.  This is a human problem and anyone who tries to detach it from morals is not an ethical thinker.  That doesn't mean it isn't based on facts as well.  What facts am I missing?

We could remove the danger and save money by reducing the amount of force we present at the border.  Instead of putting 5 billion towards a wall, which will only make the situation more dangerous, we could put that money (and a lot of the money currently being used to make it dangerous) into those services you don't know who would foot the bill for.  The money is there, its just a matter of if we want to spend it saving lives or spend it putting lives in danger. 

[TECSHARE]

Wasn't it you that said this happened so long ago so what is the point in even trying when native culture cannot be further displaced at this point?  It would be nearly impossible to restore native cultural values.  

What the fuck are you talking about?

I'm saying that our policies and strict border enforcement is the main driving force of death.  If we didn't have such strict policies, these people wouldn't have to take risky paths through the desert because they would just come straight in through less secluded areas.   Having to do so much dodging, hiding, and sneaking is the dangerous behavior.   I blame it on border patrol, because if they weren't doing their job, the people wouldn't have to be out in the desert for so long in the first place.  

I am not arguing for illegal immigration or anything extreme. I am arguing that we allow them enter the country legally and seek asylum after entry. That is orderly and common international law.  Of course this is based on my feelings.  This is a human problem and anyone who tries to detach it from morals is not an ethical thinker.  That doesn't mean it isn't based on facts as well.  What facts am I missing?

We could remove the danger and save money by reducing the amount of force we present at the border.  Instead of putting 5 billion towards a wall, which will only make the situation more dangerous, we could put that money (and a lot of the money currently being used to make it dangerous) into those services you don't know who would foot the bill for.  The money is there, its just a matter of if we want to spend it saving lives or spend it putting lives in danger.  

I love how you always talk to me as if I am too simple to understand your ideas. I have to break it to you, they aren't that complicated to comprehend, they are just naive and counterproductive to even your own stated goals. Let me sum it up...

THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE HERE

All the Postmodernist rationalization about the philosophical nature of who has a right to be here does not mean shit. The rest of us live in reality. The reality where we have to pay for every moronic idea that you crap out of your tiny skull, based not on logic, but on what makes you feel the most warm and fuzzy inside.

You don't give a fuck about the hell on Earth your retarded policies will create, you don't give a fuck about immigrants, you don't give a fuck about ANYONE or anything but satiating your narcissistic need to make your pathetic little empty life feel more full by pretending you are morally superior and preaching to people things that seem so simple, good, warm, and fuzzy, but in reality are a fucking nightmare. None of that matters though, what matters is you feel like you are the hero fighting the evil Nazi ICE.

You don't even know what you are arguing for, and most of the time no one else does either. You  know why? You constantly change the definitions of words to fit your very narrow and naive viewpoint. I don't care if you claim to oppose illegal immigration (we all know you are full of shit on this based on past statements), creating a rubber stamp process that just lets immigrants flood in anyway is equally unacceptable.

Again, you pretend you have some kind of moral high ground while you convince these poorly educated people all they need to do is get across that desert and the land of milk, honey, and free government resources awaits just on the other side. Why would you consider that from your position of moral superiority? Why consider all the children that are dangerously used as tickets for entry into this country to exploit polices people like you supported. Why consider that many of them are raped and sold into sex slavery after they are done being used as a free pass across the border? Nope, you are morally superior, and that is all some one else's fault.

A wall creates more danger? A wall is an inanimate stack of steel and concrete... but ok. I am sure you will give me some extremely arbitrary highly extrapolated Postmodernist "logic" to explain how a wall makes things MORE dangerous. The bill for "services you don't know who would foot the bill for?" WHAT? I know who will foot the bill. American citizens. Your lunatic collectivization of debt as if that makes it not exist any more is indicative of your overall naivete and ignorance of reality and endless obsession over what you call "morals" to the exclusion of reality itself. Realities like the reality we still have to pay that bill even if its spread out among us.

[coins4commies]

Wasn't it you that said this happened so long ago so what is the point in even trying when native culture cannot be further displaced at this point?  It would be nearly impossible to restore native cultural values.  

What the fuck are you talking about?

Native American culture and values are already gone and cannot be "preserved" by keeping poor immigrants out after hundreds of years of letting them in.  Its a strange reach argument coming from someone who doesn't even support native American reparations. 

Again, you pretend you have some kind of moral high ground while you convince these poorly educated people all they need to do is get across that desert and the land of milk, honey, and free government resources awaits just on the other side. Why would you consider that from your position of moral superiority? Why consider all the children that are dangerously used as tickets for entry into this country to exploit polices people like you supported. Why consider that many of them are raped and sold into sex slavery after they are done being used as a free pass across the border? Nope, you are morally superior, and that is all some one else's fault.

A wall creates more danger? A wall is an inanimate stack of steel and concrete... but ok. I am sure you will give me some extremely arbitrary highly extrapolated Postmodernist "logic" to explain how a wall makes things MORE dangerous. The bill for "services you don't know who would foot the bill for?" WHAT? I know who will foot the bill. American citizens. Your lunatic collectivization of debt as if that makes it not exist any more is indicative of your overall naivete and ignorance of reality and endless obsession over what you call "morals" to the exclusion of reality itself. Realities like the reality we still have to pay that bill even if its spread out among us.

It is moral high ground because I am not placing a few extra spending money over these peoples' fucking lives. People use children as tickets? I wonder why?  Could it be because of a policy making it easier for those with children to get here?  Its almost as if my idea of caring for all human life and not just "innocent children" would solve it.

If I am wandering through the desert and there is a wall across my path out of the desert, causing me to walk parallel through the desert for a longer period of time, my exposure and thus danger is increased.  The wall would make it easier for CBP to catch people on the Mexican side.  The more difficult it becomes to get here, the more money people will give to criminals to smuggle them in. The wall will be great business for tunnel building cartels and smuggling coyotes. This will exacerbate all of the border problems you have spoken of. 

Building a wall makes it more difficult for people to get here but if you think it solves any other problems at the border then you ARE simple. 

[Spendulus]

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A wall creates more danger?....

By his own logic The Wall will prevent the illegals from heading into the dangerous areas, so it must be erected for their own benefit. Then the deaths will stop. And that's a good thing.

[TECSHARE]

Wasn't it you that said this happened so long ago so what is the point in even trying when native culture cannot be further displaced at this point?  It would be nearly impossible to restore native cultural values.  

What the fuck are you talking about?

Native American culture and values are already gone and cannot be "preserved" by keeping poor immigrants out after hundreds of years of letting them in.  Its a strange reach argument coming from someone who doesn't even support native American reparations.  

Again, you pretend you have some kind of moral high ground while you convince these poorly educated people all they need to do is get across that desert and the land of milk, honey, and free government resources awaits just on the other side. Why would you consider that from your position of moral superiority? Why consider all the children that are dangerously used as tickets for entry into this country to exploit polices people like you supported. Why consider that many of them are raped and sold into sex slavery after they are done being used as a free pass across the border? Nope, you are morally superior, and that is all some one else's fault.

A wall creates more danger? A wall is an inanimate stack of steel and concrete... but ok. I am sure you will give me some extremely arbitrary highly extrapolated Postmodernist "logic" to explain how a wall makes things MORE dangerous. The bill for "services you don't know who would foot the bill for?" WHAT? I know who will foot the bill. American citizens. Your lunatic collectivization of debt as if that makes it not exist any more is indicative of your overall naivete and ignorance of reality and endless obsession over what you call "morals" to the exclusion of reality itself. Realities like the reality we still have to pay that bill even if its spread out among us.

It is moral high ground because I am not placing a few extra spending money over these peoples' fucking lives. People use children as tickets? I wonder why?  Could it be because of a policy making it easier for those with children to get here?  Its almost as if my idea of caring for all human life and not just "innocent children" would solve it.

If I am wandering through the desert and there is a wall across my path out of the desert, causing me to walk parallel through the desert for a longer period of time, my exposure and thus danger is increased.  The wall would make it easier for CBP to catch people on the Mexican side.  The more difficult it becomes to get here, the more money people will give to criminals to smuggle them in. The wall will be great business for tunnel building cartels and smuggling coyotes. This will exacerbate all of the border problems you have spoken of.  

Building a wall makes it more difficult for people to get here but if you think it solves any other problems at the border then you ARE simple.  

Yeah, cool story Captain Postmodern. Very creative how you shoehorned in native Americans even though we both know that wasn't what I was referring too. Whatever allows you to jam in some more victim culture right?

The problem is not uncontrolled immigration, no of course not. The problem is these darned barriers to criminal entry preventing them from illegally leaching off of our welfare systems. That is the true crime! Anyone who disagrees is a nazi that wants to dehydrate children to death.

[coins4commies]

but even with that point, the barriers do not stop them from getting in.  We have them now and we will have them with a border wall.  The money spent on barriers, security, walls and enforcement only goes towards more danger and deaths so why bother when we have the immigration anyway.  Seems like a waste unless you don't mind the death.  What better way to try and discourage people from coming than a real threat of death on the way?

and i know you are thinking that more security=less migrants even if it doesn't stop all of them but that also corresponds to more spending.  So was the goal of keeping them out truly a financial one?  Perhaps the goal was simply to slow the dilution of our whiteness after all.

less security spending
more migrants
more welfare spending

or

more security spending
less migrants
less welfare spending
more deaths

Seems like an easy choice unless you are completely immoral and don't see the deaths as a factor.  Not to mention welfare spending is an investment with vast asset returns while security spending is a dead end liability.

[Spendulus]

... The more difficult it becomes to get here, the more money people will give to criminals to smuggle them in. The wall will be great business for tunnel building cartels and smuggling coyotes. This will exacerbate all of the border problems you have spoken of.  
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It's ridiculously easy to use sensors to locate and image tunnels. Ground penetrating radar and acoustic methods come to mind.

Cartels will not get around the wall with tunnels.

[TECSHARE]

but even with that point, the barriers do not stop them from getting in.  We have them now and we will have them with a border wall.  The money spent on barriers, security, walls and enforcement only goes towards more danger and deaths so why bother when we have the immigration anyway.  Seems like a waste unless you don't mind the death.  What better way to try and discourage people from coming than a real threat of death on the way?

and i know you are thinking that more security=less migrants even if it doesn't stop all of them but that also corresponds to more spending.  So was the goal of keeping them out truly a financial one?  Perhaps the goal was simply to slow the dilution of our whiteness after all.

less security spending
more migrants
more welfare spending

or

more security spending
less migrants
less welfare spending
more deaths

Seems like an easy choice unless you are completely immoral and don't see the deaths as a factor.  Not to mention welfare spending is an investment with vast asset returns while security spending is a dead end liability.

No you don't know what I am thinking. You don't even know what you are thinking most of the time, you just open your mouth and tilt your head and let the bullshit drip out of your mouth because you think it sells your ideology.


"welfare spending is an investment with vast asset returns"

HAHAHA I would LOOOOVE to see you try to find the math on that one.


"only goes toward more danger and death"

What the fuck are you even talking about? Any danger faced is SELF IMPOSED. Once it is known the wall is there LESS PEOPLE WILL ATTEMPT THE JOURNEY. If anything the wall being there will fucking SAVE LIVES by your ass backward logic. Its like me breaking into your house and tripping over a crate you left by the door and crying and saying you should pay my hospital bill. I should have never been there to begin with therefore the injury is 100% self imposed.

Also fuck you for insinuating the only possible motivation I could have is being racist and wanting to harm people you self righteous Postmodernist piece of shit. YOU DON'T KNOW A GOD DAMNED THING ABOUT ME, who I am or my racial make up. Even if you did it would not be indicative of anything but your own bigotry.

In fact I argue that you yourself are the racist. Not only are you racist against white people, but you don't give a fuck about minorities either. To you, they are just poor inferior people you get satisfaction from LARPING as if you are helping them, giving you a sense of superiority while you use them as a shield from criticism of your own actions and ideologies. To you they are just convenient tools and pawns to accomplish your goals. They are used and disposed of once they are no longer needed.

This is a pattern of behavior that is endemic to the left and the Democrats have a long and storied history of racist policy that is WELL DOCUMENTED.  You simply run around accusing others of racism as a mask to shield yourself from this justified criticism. You are little more than a naive self righteous child who thinks they know the best way to run the world, and anyone who disagrees must just be an evil Nazi bigot. I reiterate, go fuck yourself.

[Spendulus]

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"welfare spending is an investment with vast asset returns"

HAHAHA I would LOOOOVE to see you try to find the math on that one.....

It's a long standing argument of US Democrats that their spending on social programs is "investment." And they literally have a fifty year history of avoiding accountability on it. It's always "This time it will be different."

One reason they hate Trump so much is he called them on that lie during his campaign, and promised to actually do things to help the inner city ghettos.

Another thing I find interesting is the way their "solutions" always expand the non-productive social service classes of college educated idiots. Notice how this guy's "solution" involved hiring lots of social workers?

[coins4commies]

and i know you are thinking that more security=less migrants even if it doesn't stop all of them.

No you don't know what I am thinking. You don't even know what you are thinking most of the time, you just open your mouth and tilt your head and let the bullshit drip out of your mouth because you think it sells your ideology.


"welfare spending is an investment with vast asset returns"

HAHAHA I would LOOOOVE to see you try to find the math on that one.


"only goes toward more danger and death"

What the fuck are you even talking about? Any danger faced is SELF IMPOSED. Once it is known the wall is there LESS PEOPLE WILL ATTEMPT THE JOURNEY. If anything the wall being there will fucking SAVE LIVES by your ass backward logic. Its like me breaking into your house and tripping over a crate you left by the door and crying and saying you should pay my hospital bill. I should have never been there to begin with therefore the injury is 100% self imposed.

Also fuck you for insinuating the only possible motivation I could have is being racist and wanting to harm people you self righteous Postmodernist piece of shit. YOU DON'T KNOW A GOD DAMNED THING ABOUT ME, who I am or my racial make up. Even if you did it would not be indicative of anything but your own bigotry.

So I told you what you are thinking then in bold you tell me I don't know what you are thinking then immediately repeat what I told you you were thinking in the first place.  Instead of derailing, I'll move on and pretend you didn't just do that. 

Its not self imposed danger because they did not choose to be born into a dangerous place.  I guess you could see it that way if you view these events in a vacuum but the result is they are simply coming here to escape even greater dangers.  The desert with a wall will still be a lesser danger than what they are escaping.  The risk will still be worth the reward.  Unless you want to address the motivating factors, people will always flow away from danger towards safety.  I'd respect it if you wanted to devote a lot of attention and resources to reducing the motivating factors but you don't.   If people choose to stay home and die to that violence as opposed to violence caused by the US in the US, those aren't lives saved.  The only lives saved are the refugees who are granted asylum and go on to live awesome lives in the US. 

I know some things about you based on your posts on this board.  I know a lot about your motivations and the way you view the world and those in it.  I know your motivations aren't race based but they are for a lot of people who share you view.  You have made your motivations clear on this issue.  Your motivations are bottom line oriented and grounded in the fear that poor people coming here will make your life more difficult.  You are worried that you will have to pay for their services or that the services you rely on will crumble under the pressure of added people . You don't care about their race.  In fact, you've made it clear that you want people of all races to come here jsut as long as they are wealthy or talented so that they can contribute to your quality of life. 

Its not clear but I am confident that you are a colorblind individual.  You don't care more about poor white people than poor people of color.  You think its all of their own faults that make them poor.  A true capitalist cannot be actively racist because that is not good for the bottom line.

[TECSHARE]

and i know you are thinking that more security=less migrants even if it doesn't stop all of them.

No you don't know what I am thinking. You don't even know what you are thinking most of the time, you just open your mouth and tilt your head and let the bullshit drip out of your mouth because you think it sells your ideology.


"welfare spending is an investment with vast asset returns"

HAHAHA I would LOOOOVE to see you try to find the math on that one.


"only goes toward more danger and death"

What the fuck are you even talking about? Any danger faced is SELF IMPOSED. Once it is known the wall is there LESS PEOPLE WILL ATTEMPT THE JOURNEY. If anything the wall being there will fucking SAVE LIVES by your ass backward logic. Its like me breaking into your house and tripping over a crate you left by the door and crying and saying you should pay my hospital bill. I should have never been there to begin with therefore the injury is 100% self imposed.

Also fuck you for insinuating the only possible motivation I could have is being racist and wanting to harm people you self righteous Postmodernist piece of shit. YOU DON'T KNOW A GOD DAMNED THING ABOUT ME, who I am or my racial make up. Even if you did it would not be indicative of anything but your own bigotry.

So I told you what you are thinking then in bold you tell me I don't know what you are thinking then immediately repeat what I told you you were thinking in the first place.  Instead of derailing, I'll move on and pretend you didn't just do that.  

Its not self imposed danger because they did not choose to be born into a dangerous place.  I guess you could see it that way if you view these events in a vacuum but the result is they are simply coming here to escape even greater dangers.  The desert with a wall will still be a lesser danger than what they are escaping.  The risk will still be worth the reward.  Unless you want to address the motivating factors, people will always flow away from danger towards safety.  I'd respect it if you wanted to devote a lot of attention and resources to reducing the motivating factors but you don't.   If people choose to stay home and die to that violence as opposed to violence caused by the US in the US, those aren't lives saved.  The only lives saved are the refugees who are granted asylum and go on to live awesome lives in the US.  

I know some things about you based on your posts on this board.  I know a lot about your motivations and the way you view the world and those in it.  I know your motivations aren't race based but they are for a lot of people who share you view.  You have made your motivations clear on this issue.  Your motivations are bottom line oriented and grounded in the fear that poor people coming here will make your life more difficult.  You are worried that you will have to pay for their services or that the services you rely on will crumble under the pressure of added people . You don't care about their race.  In fact, you've made it clear that you want people of all races to come here jsut as long as they are wealthy or talented so that they can contribute to your quality of life.  

Its not clear but I am confident that you are a colorblind individual.  You don't care more about poor white people than poor people of color.  You think its all of their own faults that make them poor.  A true capitalist cannot be actively racist because that is not good for the bottom line.

You don't even bother attempting reading comprehension do you? You are either duplicitous or exceptionally ignorant, and your sophist tactics largely make me suspect you are disingenuous and find lying a justifiable means to an end. You aren't even attempting to comprehend my words, you simply project what you already choose to believe upon whatever I say, regardless of its logical validity. I say less people will attempt the journey, you see "GOOD MORE DEAD MEXICANS, LESS TO CROSS!", I was saying a wall is a deterrent to even attempt, making the risk of the journey not a factor.

That point made you then shift the goal post to the dangers of existing in their home nations, as if the USA is the mommy and daddy of the world, and we are responsible for their well being. It has nothing to do with who's fault it is that they are poor, it is simply NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY as a nation. If you privately want to fund immigrants coming here legally with your own money, you go for it. You don't get to mandate the forced collection of funds at gunpoint to fund your narcissism.

If you really believed any of what you just said you would never have bought up any of that racism bullshit. This was nothing but a pathetic, desperate, and shameful attempt to try to smear me by insinuation and association. Just another demonstration how little regard you hold for minorities, you see calling racism as a means to an end of your own, not a means to deter bigotry.

If you knew a damned thing about economics you would know that uncontrolled migration combined with large welfare programs is a GUARANTEED recipe for financial collapse. It is not even a debate, it is a mathematical fact. This is not just my personal quality of life, it is EVERYONE'S here, including yours. Furthermore "quality of life" makes it sound like I will get one less fast food hamburger a month as a sacrifice. No, this is societal collapse, 3rd world dumpster fire quality of life drop. All so you and your narcissistic commie pals can stand around and jerk each other off over how humanitarian and morally superior you are.

FUCK YOU

Notice how this guy's "solution" involved hiring lots of social workers?

I am beginning to think this guy is looking for the final solution.