Using a bot to complete bounty activities?!?

[coinlocket$]

User: tamango

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3406822.msg48296403#msg48296403
Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20181128220824/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3406822.msg48296403

In case he remove those post well click on his history you will find a ton of reports.









Do you think is humanly possible?

This guy is in a lot of bounties (guess how?) and seems no manager found it out, they are doing a very good job.


I probably can find more of those "accounts" since managers seems not doing what they are paid for

[TryNinja]

I don't get it. What's the issue?

Why do you think he's using a bot (to post tweets?), and what's the issue with it?


In 99% of those ICO bounties, the manager doesn't care about the tweets. Just that you make them.

[HCP]

Is it the fact that the user was posting every 2 hours... on or about the 51st minute the hour (i.e xx:51 )?

I had a look at all the links posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3406822.msg48296403#msg48296403

I saw a few at other timestamps like xx:15 too... Maybe the user just has a timer running and goes and does copy/paste whenever the timer goes off... In any case, I'm not sure I've seen a campaign that bans for using bots in this manner... and like TryNinja said, I doubt many of them would even care.

I probably can find more of those "accounts" since managers seems not doing what they are paid for

Why bother?

I'm still unsure why people are so hung up on reporting all these "alts" that are "abusing" campaigns and hoping they'll get tagged by DT? The only people that should really care about all this are the campaign managers and/or the projects themselves... all these reports should be made directly to them, rather than spamming clogging up the reputation board with thousands of these "abusing campaigns with alts" threads

[coinlocket$]

In 99% of those ICO bounties, the manager doesn't care about the tweets. Just that you make them.

In most of them, you can't use bots.

I saw a few at other timestamps like xx:15 too... Maybe the user just has a timer running and goes and does copy/paste whenever the timer goes off... In any case, I'm not sure I've seen a campaign that bans for using bots in this manner... and like TryNinja said, I doubt many of them would even care.

Yes this is the point and I implied that it was clear, perhaps it was better to specify it's hard to believe is not a bot when you are on tens of bounties and you retweet at the same exact minute for days. xx:51 ± 1 minute

Why bother?

I'm still unsure why people are so hung up on reporting all these "alts" that are "abusing" campaigns and hoping they'll get tagged by DT?

Since if one breaks the rule on whatever the rule is for, that implies the fact that a person is not trustworthy. (In my opinion)
What if they will ask a loan in the forum, do you will trust them?


Also asked time ago and got a response from @Lauda when she/he still was on DT2

Hello, question as title says.
Some managers are too lazy to look at reports (we know they probably don't even read them) but is very easy to spot some bots.
So the question is, do you think is worth to post here some abusers using bots to complete bounties?

Definitely: Yes. If you spot someone, please report them accordingly. Keep in mind that reporting accounts with 0 merit is almost always a waste of time.

[LTU_btc]

I don't get where is the problem. Ok, maybe he is using bot to publish these tweets and report it on bounty thread. But who gives a shit about it - it was posted by real human or bot. If bounty manager accept these kind of tweets, it's their problem. I think you need to report this user to bounty manager, but I don't think he will pay attention.
Imo, this guy shouldn't be red tagged or banned as long as he aren't using bot to post in other sections. Oh, now I checked bitcointalk rules and I don't see rule which fon't allow to post using automated software.

[Quickseller]

If the advertiser is getting the exposure they are paying for this should not be an issue.

The policing of made up “rules” for bounty campaigns is ridiculous.

[marlboroza]

Report them to twitter and to bounty manager.

If the advertiser is getting the exposure they are paying for this should not be an issue.

Does it apply to bitcointalk too?
If advertiser is getting the exposure bots and spam shouldn't be problem? I don't think so. It shouldn't be different with twitter or any other social media.

[Astargath]

Report them to twitter and to bounty manager.

If the advertiser is getting the exposure they are paying for this should not be an issue.

Does it apply to bitcointalk too?
If advertiser is getting the exposure bots and spam shouldn't be problem? I don't think so. It shouldn't be different with twitter or any other social media.

I personally wouldn't see this is as a problem at all, using a program/script/bot to post a tweet on a regular schedule does not affect the bounty or anyone. People can upload videos on youtube automatically on a schdeule for instance. As long as it's not spam, which it isn't, it's fine.

[Patatas]

That is a smart bounty whore indeed. FYI, there are members who can't write a single line in English and they participate in the bounty campaigns to tweet stuff written in English. Managers are okay with it. As long as you tweet something in the required format, it's all good.

[HCP]

It shouldn't be different with twitter or any other social media.

But that's the thing... Twitter appears to encourage exactly this sort of activity... IMO, that seems to be the entire purpose of the "retweet" button... it is builtin copy/paste functionality allowing people to mindlessly "spam" other peoples posts!   Same with FB and the "share"... it encourages this sort of thing.

Do I agree with it? No... but I've been against most of this campaign activity (I also really hate the whole "Bounty" term, but that's another argument) since the "ICO per hour" days. Also, this hardcore policing of campaign rules is a bit strange... isn't that the campaign managers job? Seriously, the whole board doesn't need to know that some group of Indonesians earning $2/day is "abusing campaigns with alts" or spamming retweets all over twitter... just go report them to the campaign manager.

But, honestly, I doubt you'll find many, if any, social media campaign managers who will care... I doubt the project owners will care either... they're just trying to spam their shitcoin far and wide to get as much coverage in the hope of attracting all the latecomers to whatever is left of the ICO market so they can scam as much money as possible.

[Quickseller]

Report them to twitter and to bounty manager.

If the advertiser is getting the exposure they are paying for this should not be an issue.

Does it apply to bitcointalk too?
If advertiser is getting the exposure bots and spam shouldn't be problem? I don't think so. It shouldn't be different with twitter or any other social media.

The appropriate response to someone using a bot to spam on bitcointalk is to ban them, assuming the posts are breaking forum rules. 

There are a couple of bots running around here that some may be interested in advertising in their sig space. If someone can develop an AI bot that is smart enough to post intelligently, a reasonable person not on a power trip will not have an issue with this.   

[marlboroza]

the whole board doesn't need to know that some group of Indonesians earning $2/day is "abusing campaigns with alts"

I don't think it is relevant where are they from, how much money they earn and what they abused, if they are caught abusing something with alt accounts it should be pointed in reputation. It's not something new on this board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.0 anyway.

or spamming retweets all over twitter... just go report them to the campaign manager.

I said that, right? Ok, I added twitter 

Report them to twitter and to bounty manager.

The appropriate response to someone using a bot to spam on bitcointalk is to ban them, assuming the posts are breaking forum rules.

There are a couple of bots running around here that some may be interested in advertising in their sig space. If someone can develop an AI bot that is smart enough to post intelligently, a reasonable person not on a power trip will not have an issue with this.      

Lets all run AI bots, let them talk to each others and humans can leave this place  

Yet again, I forget to who I am talking:

You can take a look at the above thread. However the majority of alts are going to be well hidden and IMP there is no reason to out alts of people if they have done nothing wrong.

You can add theymos and theymos-away to the list
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=349090
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35
Per the "admin notes" of theymos-away that account is controlled by theymos

The same is true for BadBear and BadBear-away
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=392507
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=41911

So I won't take your post seriously, as usual  

[HCP]

I don't think it is relevant where are they from, how much money they earn and what they abused

It isn't relevant... I was venting more than anything

It's not something new on this board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.0 anyway.

On the contrary, I believe it is a relatively new development.

As far as I can see, the original purpose of that thread was simply to highlight alt accounts of users... not necessarily because they were doing anything "Bad"™ or to try and get them all tagged/banned... However, the mk.2 and mk.3 versions of this initiative have now basically degenerated into a witch hunt where every post is of the form:

List of usernames
<Insert screenshot of etherscan showing transactions from "linked" address to one ETH Address>
"abusing bounties with alts"

Which brings us to:

if they are caught abusing something with alt accounts it should be pointed in reputation.

I agree... If they have actually been "caught".

Personally, I still don't believe that a bunch of ETH addresses sending tokens to one ETH address over several transactions really proves anything other than a bunch of tokens were transferred... it isn't like a Bitcoin transaction where a bunch of addresses all included as inputs in one transaction "prove" that the addresses were all controlled by the same wallet/person etc... unless my understanding of ETH is incorrect and you can actually include tokens from multiple addresses in one transaction like you can with BTC?

Anyway, at some point, it seems like someone applied this (incorrect) logic to multiple ETH transactions depositing to one ETH address... and now it seems like it's considered "beyond a reasonable doubt"-type proof??!? Look at the countless posts from these supposed alt accounts claiming "we're a group of friends/family/coworkers working together"... personally, I feel that their arguments (and accompanying "proof") are just as solid as the "all these ETH addresses transferred tokens to 0xSomeEthAddress, so they're all owned by the same person" argument. As far as I can tell, no one can really say for sure one way or the other.


Does this mean that ALL of these accounts are "groups of people working together"? No... I'm sure there are people using alts.
Does that mean they should ALL be tagged, just in case? I don't think so... at least, not without some "proper" evidence.

[atmanagari]

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Personally, I still don't believe that a bunch of ETH addresses sending tokens to one ETH address over several transactions really proves anything other than a bunch of tokens were transferred... it isn't like a Bitcoin transaction where a bunch of addresses all included as inputs in one transaction "prove" that the addresses were all controlled by the same wallet/person etc... unless my understanding of ETH is incorrect and you can actually include tokens from multiple addresses in one transaction like you can with BTC?

Anyway, at some point, it seems like someone applied this (incorrect) logic to multiple ETH transactions depositing to one ETH address...
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There are many Indonesians become bounty token collectors. They buy tokens from bounty hunters, that are not yet listed on the market (at lower prices). There are so many such services available on the Indonesian Facebook Crypto Group. I think they are not cheaters (they are independent/original buyers and sellers).
 
Ok then, let me ask.
I still do not understand about specific bounty rules (using automation service like Hootsuite, etc).
I think it's very good. Can make bounty work more organized. As well as avoiding accounts from broadcasting spam

Does that violate the rules?

[HCP]

Does that violate the rules?

That is something that you would have to ask specific campaign managers and/or check against the specific campaign rules as posted in the specific campaign thread... these sorts of things are not really covered by the "general forum rules" per se.

The forum rules only really pertain to the posting of messages on the actual forum.