Why are FUD-trolls allowed to open 4 topics per day?

[LoyceV]

I'm thinking about freightjoe for example: Why are FUD-trolls allowed to open 4 topics on a day, meanwhile spamming the same FUD in many other topics? Why is this allowed on Bitcointalk? I mean, if you don't like Audi, you don't go to an Audi forum and open 4 topics about how much you dislike it per day, right? Why is it allowed to do that here?

I can only think of a few reasons for doing this: someone is getting paid to do this (as part of a FUD campaign in the media from some "established parties" against crypto), or someone is trolling because he missed the boat and hopes to buy more cheaper, or just shorting Bitcoin. Whatever the reason is, I think it's toxic to this community.

Each of his topics quickly grows to a few pages because of the generic signature spammers, so his FUD gets all the exposure he needs.
So again, my question is: why is this allowed? I know this forum values freedom of speech, but can't his FUD be restricted to just one topic? Let it grow into a Spam Megathread instead of spamming several boards on a daily basis.

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[iwantapony_alt]

I think the reason is "Everything is accepted here except spamming" if someone opens 4 topics for one same issue. just report it. I don't think he is getting paid more likely another guy with 24/7 weed mood.

[Tszunami98]

The market is too hard for some people to take it. He is just in deppresion stage . Will be just fine in the next bull run.
I doubt that anything that happens on this forum will ever have any effect on the market. So, shorting Bitcoin and creating FUD here will never work, in my opinion.
As i can see the topics are started by different people, they just like to see that side of the glass.

[Jet Cash]

Anyone who has to travel around by free-riding freight trains is possibly not the best person to give investment advice. On the other hand, he may just be miffed because his railway network doesn't accept Bitcoin in payment for travelling tickets.

[hilariousandco]

I brought him up in the staff forum back in February. Obviously just a troll account. Pretty sure he is NLC as well. Probably best to just ignore him because nothing will likely be done about it.

[Alone055]

Looking at freightjoe's recent post history would make you think that he hates Bitcoin to the highest level and is completely against it, while if you have a look at the deeper history of his posts, around November of last year, you would find him announcing a project named "Bitcoin Ruthenium", which he claimed to be a fork of the Bitcoin Blockchain. Now, if a person really hates something that he can't even stand it and keeps talking negative about it, why would he work on a project that is solely based on that exact thing that he doesn't even like?

He is either purposely doing all this in order to spread fear among the noobs and get a drop on the price in order to buy lower, or he has invested some money back in time and is hurt by the current drop which is why he is not being able to control his emotions. In either way, he doesn't deserve a lot of attention.

[Marshall14]

No real/experienced bitcoiner/trader will take any of freightjoe's posts or comments about the bitcoin seriously,and anyone who does is probably a noob who shares the same views as him and it's best the forum ignores him/his kinds
He's freely allowed to air his shitty views,its down to the gullible to swallow it.There are more than enough topics and threads about the bitcoin and it's history for anyone to know freightjoes talking trash

[stompix]

I can only think of a few reasons for doing this: someone is getting paid to do this (as part of a FUD campaign in the media from some "established parties" against crypto), or someone is trolling because he missed the boat and hopes to buy more cheaper, or just shorting Bitcoin. Whatever the reason is, I think it's toxic to this community.

There is always the third possibility, he is just mad at the world. I've been dealing with people that make accounts after accounts in a local forum I'm lurking just to troll and start flame topics even when there is no financial incentive.

Anyhow, you know the solution:

[Lucius]

freightjoe is very well known for his FUD threads/post at a time when BTC does not stand well in terms of price. I try to reply few times in his threads with what I considered constructive to write - but his opinion is unchangeable. Although everyone has the right to their own opinion, as LoyceV says - he is sometimes exaggerated in that.

I notice he is come back again, and I post in one of his thread where he actually called the users ( present and future users ), stupid, fools, mentally retarded.

[pugman]

I'm thinking about freightjoe for example: Why are FUD-trolls allowed to open 4 topics on a day, meanwhile spamming the same FUD in many other topics? Why is this allowed on Bitcointalk? I mean, if you don't like Audi, you don't go to an Audi forum and open 4 topics about how much you dislike it per day, right? Why is it allowed to do that here?

I can only think of a few reasons for doing this: someone is getting paid to do this (as part of a FUD campaign in the media from some "established parties" against crypto), or someone is trolling because he missed the boat and hopes to buy more cheaper, or just shorting Bitcoin. Whatever the reason is, I think it's toxic to this community.

Each of his topics quickly grows to a few pages because of the generic signature spammers, so his FUD gets all the exposure he needs.
So again, my question is: why is this allowed? I know this forum values freedom of speech, but can't his FUD be restricted to just one topic? Let it grow into a Spam Megathread instead of spamming several boards on a daily basis.

This is the internet, you're bound to find people like this everywhere. I mean, trolling has become a new source of income for some people.

You would be surprised, but he may actually be serious on his beliefs about bitcoin, and might even be insane enough to think that all of what he says is true. There are so many people who do that. But you can't really ban people like these because one, freedom of speech is "violated", and besides it takes seconds to create another account to come back. Winning a battle isn't equivalent to winning a war.

Toxicitiy has taken over the internet. I guess I'd rather have toxicity than having no internet.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Restriction on his posting ability should be implemented maybe a limit, no proof he's getting paid as he doesn't wear signature nor image advertising any product. He create over 3 FUD post in a single day. He was already on my ignore list after I came across one of his August post. The dude is just confused

[HODL2090]

I've come across a couple of his post over the past weeks, and I initially though s/he was someone you could reason with and discuss factually, I've long been proven wrong.

Best option is probably to put the account on ignore.
Restricting such FUDs in any form, would spark another kindle of FUD. Directed against the forum, and how it's against criticism.

No-one genuinely interested in bitcoin should be much deterred much by such FUD as they are everywhere and we can't control all of it.

[petyang12]

It might be that person want someone to drag with him by creating a fuss about FUD with the current situation of the market at this time. Well most people like him will lose confidence in crypto and can't also think positively.

[Yara1]

I have gone through freightjoe post history and have seen constant attack on cryptocurrency and bitcoin in particular,  but the fact still remains that bitcointalk. Org is a decentralized site just like bitcoin it self and at that any thing is allowed without restrictions unless it goes against the general rule of the forum.

[YOSHIE]

This problem actually you know better than other members in this bitcointalk forum, why this can happen to apply the topic in 4 times a day, because of you LoyceV, One of the most active mods in the idea of ​​posting professional and useful topics.

The policy to not remove anything worked when the forum was small. Now that we have thousands of posts a day, we can't afford 50% of them being junk. The moderators are now instructed to be less tolerant of low-value posts.

Some guidelines:

1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
4. No referral code spam
5. No NSFW content

I conclude if freightjo, doing this, if he does not violate the rules of the forum I think it's fine.

You know what, time for a slight policy change:

After consulting and discussing with BadBear, I've decided that it's time to let people discuss a bit more freely about services. Although BadBear's earlier posts hinted that service posts are a "no go" on most cases, after contacting him a couple of days ago, I believe he has changed his thinking, possibly due to the community's opinion and suggestions (told you it would help ).

As per this shift, the following type of posts are now allowed in coin threads:

• Posts about block explorers. ("Here is a new block explorer for this coin" type posts)
• If a service comes up in a disussion and directly related to the coin, it's allowed
• "We're up" messages for pools (if it's only once per thread)
• "This exchange added coin" type posts for exchanges (again, if it's only once per thread)

However, said rules only apply to those posts that ARE NOT large, distracting with images, or markup codes (lots of bold and colors) and other traits of an advertisement. If a post is considered an advertisement will be determined on case by case basis.

Post your suggestions and opinions regarding this rule and how it should be improved and it might get implemented.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

@Loyce -

freightjoe needs to get the ban hammer, problem is he’ll just start a noob account & continue spamming his crap.

There’s another one but I forget the exact username - btc_101 or something like that.

[stompix]

There’s another one but I forget the exact username - btc_101 or something like that.

It's btc-room101 who think ML/AI can be used to guess/crack private key where public key is known and mistaken brute-force private-key as way to find bitcoin vulnerability.
I'm not sure if he's troll or simply skip the basics

More a scammer than a troll.
From his website :

Mail today to inflection@protonmail.com for information, we offer our software to be ran your hardware mining-gpu-pool, or you can purchase the software for a reasonable amount ( Usually 0.5 BTC ), if your poor in a 3rd world, then we offer special discount.

At least with him, the things are clear!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I mean, if you don't like Audi, you don't go to an Audi forum and open 4 topics about how much you dislike it per day, right?

That isn't quite true.  There are trolls on the internet who love fucking with people who are passionate about something--doesn't matter if it's Audis, fountain pens, comic books, or bitcoin.  Their mission is to draw attention to themselves in a negative way, because to them any attention is good attention, and they're obviously not getting enough of the healthy kind of it in real life.

So just because you see someone trolling as hard as they can against bitcoin on a bitcoin forum, it doesn't mean they're being paid by anyone to do so.  I used to hear that a lot on the conspiracy theory websites back when I visited them (before I figured out that doing so was affecting my sanity).  People would say that if you don't believe WTC7 was taken down by nanothermite charges, you're being paid by the US government to spread disinformation and so on.  But although that's certainly one possibility, it's remote, and Occam's Razor would suggest that people are doing this for their own pleasure.

Anyone who has to travel around by free-riding freight trains is possibly not the best person to give investment advice. On the other hand, he may just be miffed because his railway network doesn't accept Bitcoin in payment for travelling tickets.

Don't know about that.  A person who does such things certainly knows how to save money on travel expenses, although he probably doesn't have much income and money to invest with.

Probably best to just ignore him because nothing will likely be done about it.

That's the best solution, which a lot more people should avail themselves of.  That ignore button is worth its weight in gold, so to speak.

[LoyceV]

I brought him up in the staff forum back in February. Obviously just a troll account. Pretty sure he is NLC as well. Probably best to just ignore him because nothing will likely be done about it.

Thanks, that more or less answers my question. It's allowed

No real/experienced bitcoiner/trader will take any of freightjoe's posts or comments about the bitcoin seriously,and anyone who does is probably a noob

Most serious posters have abandoned the spammy boards. The noobs are the ones left, and they're probably being influenced by FUD.

Restricting such FUDs in any form, would spark another kindle of FUD. Directed against the forum, and how it's against criticism.

You have a point, but I'm not talking about restricting his FUD. Let him FUD all he wants, but he should contain it in just one thread. Sharing the same FUD in many different threads is just spam.

I mean, if you don't like Audi, you don't go to an Audi forum and open 4 topics about how much you dislike it per day, right?

That isn't quite true.  There are trolls on the internet who love fucking with people who are passionate about something--doesn't matter if it's Audis, fountain pens, comic books, or bitcoin.

Let me rephrase that: You don't go spam an Audi forum without getting banned

I'll ignore the account.

[shield132]

I'm thinking about freightjoe for example: Why are FUD-trolls allowed to open 4 topics on a day, meanwhile spamming the same FUD in many other topics? Why is this allowed on Bitcointalk? I mean, if you don't like Audi, you don't go to an Audi forum and open 4 topics about how much you dislike it per day, right? Why is it allowed to do that here?

I can only think of a few reasons for doing this: someone is getting paid to do this (as part of a FUD campaign in the media from some "established parties" against crypto), or someone is trolling because he missed the boat and hopes to buy more cheaper, or just shorting Bitcoin. Whatever the reason is, I think it's toxic to this community.

Each of his topics quickly grows to a few pages because of the generic signature spammers, so his FUD gets all the exposure he needs.
So again, my question is: why is this allowed? I know this forum values freedom of speech, but can't his FUD be restricted to just one topic? Let it grow into a Spam Megathread instead of spamming several boards on a daily basis.

This man has a serious mental problems and needs to be treated as soon as possible. Just see his threads and you'll understand why...
I would second this: someone is getting paid to do this. Personally I wouldn't wish to limit this user to open threads but I think it will be better if we ban him and remove his account from this forum.