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December 07, 2018, 03:43:49 AM
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We could have live, online, lists for Trust and for Ignore.

 The ignore function is a very useful function to avoid Trolls. But it could also be used to improve your experience using the forum. The problem is that adding users manually, one by one is time-consuming. And few do.

 Some users have created personal lists and make some topics about them. Each one has a different approach. DannyHamilton chooses to ignore users who participate in signature campaigns. Lutpin, yahoo62278, Lauda, have created a list called SMAS, which is geared towards the campaigns they manage. @DarkStar_ also has a list called DarkList ™. You can copy their list, but you would still need to update them manually. In addition, they cover a small number of people.

My suggestion is to allow something that will work as a Live List. It would work as follows:

A user would create a topic with a title describing the purpose of the list. In the topic, he would describe the criteria he used to formulate it and post the complete list with the names of the users. It would create an automatic code for this list that would allow a daily update. If you like the list, you could copy and paste just the Code to the ignore/trust settings. No need to copy users name or update with new names.

This would allow people to create thematic lists for various purposes. For example:

  • A list that would ignore all newbie and Jr. users. The list could be created using some script.
  • A list ignoring users who have never received at least 1 merit
  • A list ignoring users who post spam. Or who write only in mega topics.
  • A list of trolls

When a user you ignore creates a topic, you can still read it. But the highlight is much smaller and it's easier to ignore.



And when he comments, it is possible to ignore it completely. You will only know what he wrote if another user quotes him.



With the trust system, it would work in the same way as adding a user to the trusted list. It would not be a radical change, nor would it solve many of the problems that Trust System has. But the power of the DT1 and DT2 members would be diluted, without diminishing the weight of their feedbacks.

  • So a user from a local section could create a specific list of users who negotiate on the local section.
  • Someone could create a list where they would put names of profiles that were bought or hacked.
  • A list of people that promote scam
  • A list of users who have already cheated someone



I know it's nothing revolutionary, and it's not a big change. But depending on the adoption and the use of the users it could greatly improve the experience when using the forum.




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December 07, 2018, 04:38:00 AM
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Overall disagree with it.

I feel these two metrics should be representative of the individual members experience. The ignore list whether they use it or not, should grow based on their experience with individuals they've decided have nothing to offer them. I think to often new members here might just jump on the bandwagon and adopt lists that seem popular overall which in the long run could reduce their experience.

I think the same of the trust setting, though DT is the same as your idea in a way. People don't understand it enough as is, and I think having an option like this would only compound it. They'd be better off learning how the system works and adding to the DT trust list as they see fit. I say that because despite peoples opinions on DT it does serve the purpose of giving you an initial impression of peoples trust then allows you to adjust it as you see fit.

There may be some people who can think of a few persons they would trust to make a list like these for them. Even so I imagine it's probably more difficult than it seems to make several dynamic lists that would auto update.

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December 07, 2018, 05:41:44 AM
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The ignore function is a very useful function to avoid Trolls. But it could also be used to improve your experience using the forum. The problem is that adding users manually, one by one is time-consuming. And few do.
We can all agree that probably the ignore button is useful is some situations to get to avoid some users and their posts (or even groups)

But its definitely one function the forum users should hope to use less on the forum,based on other users willingness to learn, making the ignore button automatic based on another users discretion wouldn't help improve the forum but just increase members ignore lists and in the long run could be inimical to the forum growth

I feel one should only ignore another user when it's totally clear such member has nothing to contribute to him/her or even to the forum(and it should happen minimally)
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December 07, 2018, 06:40:03 AM
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Don't think this will be necessary, I enjoy the manual method of putting users on my ignore list no matter how many they are. Although it's kinda stressful but it's worth the stress. In my little opinion, if the system can eliminate the "This user is currently ignored" message and not show me users information that's I won't even know if ignored user commented unless he was quoted, it'll be great for me because I get tempted to know why I ignored users each time I see the "This user is currently ignored" message

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December 07, 2018, 06:47:38 AM
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I have always feel that the ignore button is not the best Wat to handle any matter beside without pushing the ignore button you can just ignore it personally.

And from your list I don't think the ignore button was created for Jr member or newbie other ranks can be ignored there is nothing like rank battle in the forum.

Well everyone has the right to use the ignore button but in the long run it should under go strong consideration before its used

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December 07, 2018, 06:49:25 AM
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It is clearly an underestimation. We don't need to post a thread like this. We must have to keep in silent about this because not all of them is not trusted. And not all of them must be ignored because they can be reliable in some aspects. Sometimes, newbies and jr members posts a thread which causes us to brain storm and get an idea with one another by the given argument of the poster or the person who post the thread.
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December 07, 2018, 07:28:06 AM
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Totally disagree with OP especially on the Live list part. Each of us here has specific preferences and can stand certain things to different extents. So jumping into a certain user's ignore list which he/she created because of his previous experience with other individuals doesn't seem subtle to me.
It's better to have the same experience with the same individuals or culprits then you decide for yourself whether to ignore or not. Now that's what we call experiencing the community.

  • A list that would ignore all newbie and Jr. users. The list could be created using some script.
So if all Newbie and Jr. Users where ignored, don't you see that you are dividing the community instead of bridging it? how does the community grow then? If most older members of the group keep using the list to ignore lower ranked members instead of helping some who could be genuine and wanting to learn more?

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December 07, 2018, 09:28:25 AM
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Sometimes, newbies and jr members posts a thread which causes us to brain storm and get an idea with one another by the given argument of the poster or the person who post the thread.

It was a suggestion, and the OP meant it as an option for those who are interested in it. Although it would have been more direct, if it had read, 'ignoring a specific rank', instead if directing it at lower ranked members in the forum. But it's the reality of bitcointalk today.

We could have live, online, lists for Trust and for Ignore.

There have been worse suggestions, but the issue here is that ignoring users is not recommended, and should only be used in extreme cases. Facilitating it in any way could end up affecting legitimate members. Then again it's your decision to see what you wish. I highly doubt this suggestion would ever be taken up.

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December 07, 2018, 09:45:28 AM
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There is nothing wrong with ignoring users who are regularly spamming or posting things that had been posted by others, you can't just completely wipe them out. But I think its good to see their posts, you might be surprise one of them suddenly post something good but aims to scam people here, you'd miss the chance to finally pin him down.


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December 07, 2018, 02:52:47 PM
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It's an interesting idea, but one that requires some work I think.

I would support a list that filters out bounty spammers. I personally have no one on my ignore list - when I do venture in to Bitcoin Discussion and other spammy boards, I much prefer to report the spammers than simply ignore their posts, but I can appreciate why people would want to ignore them. There would need to be some kind of consensus (voting?) as to who is added to the list, and some kind of method of review available, so users who improve their posting behavior or who are incorrectly tagged can appeal to be removed from said list. Theoretically, this could also help with general bounty spam if managers refused to accept users who were on some kind of shared ignore list.

However, I would strongly be against a list that ignores all newbies/junior members/users who have earned 0 merit. As mentioned by others in this thread, you are then excluding genuine new users and offering them no (or a very a slim) chance to work their way off of said list if the majority of merit givers are ignoring them by default.

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I've got the basics of my own ignore list, and it provides a categorised list of the posts that stimulated the ignore. Well it will have when I get round to finishing it. There is even a support ticket system for appeals.

I think my snow eagle project may be more important though. This is a list of noteworthy members for the use of merit sources. I've had a few difficulties recently, and I've been a bit busy, so they have gone on the back burner.


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I would support a list that filters out bounty spammers.

However, I would strongly be against a list that ignores all newbies/junior members/users who have earned 0 merit.

So, you would use the code from a bounty spammers list. And you would not use the code list that ignores newbies users.


I think the same of the trust setting, though DT is the same as your idea in a way. People don't understand it enough as is, and I think having an option like this would only compound it.


It would not be the same. A specific purpose list is different from a personal opinion you have about someone. In the current system, a member of the DT2 group can send trust for any reason. He may have traded something with the user, He may believe that the account has been sold, he can trust the user by being a well known person, or he can give a negative trust by knowing that he applied a scam in the past or promoted an MLM .

We recently had a case where a user has received a negative trust because he has the nickname #bitcoinCore.

I think these lists would be very useful for the local sections. For example, I believe that there is no member DT1, DT2 or DT3 that frequents the Portuguese section. So instead of requiring that a DT2 member send a negative or positive trust to someone who wants to do business exclusively in that section, we could have a list that is well accepted and trusted locally.

With the current system, most would have to include some known user on the trusted list. But no one ever did.

I've got the basics of my own ignore list, and it provides a categorised list of the posts that stimulated the ignore. Well it will have when I get round to finishing it. There is even a support ticket system for appeals.


I found it quite interesting that you will offer a system for appeals on your personal list. Apart from the big lists of the forum like SMas, it is very unlikely that a user can know that he is on the list ignore someone. Unless it is communicated.





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