The Revolution in France & Europe

[Agarthian]

There are these rumors on the internets.......


People taking to the streets demanding change of government and corrupt media and banking system.


A war is happening and its being censored by mainstream media.


They will tell you it's because of Gas but the people are saying they are fed up.! 

[Pmalek]

It is not only about gas, it is about the constant small and bigger price increases in food, electricity, healtcare etc.
As one pensioner from France said in an interview a few days ago:
I am here protesting against the government because after paying my bills, there is hardly anything left. I cant afford any luxuries because the money that is left can only be used for food and clothing.

[bitmover]

I am not from Europe, but I read in some newspaper that Macron wants to change France's energetic matrix radically. France relies heavily on nuclear power plants and few eolic energy. He also wants to reduce co2 emissions.

All that change comea with a cost, which must be paid with higher taxes , which increases the price of everything in the country (especially electricity, which is going to be more expensive in this new scenario).

Political correctness and climate change  expensive policies. Do the people really want to pay that price?

[eddie13]

It's not a rumor unless you are under some sort of censorship blackout where you are. I've heard a lot of videos/channels on youtube aren't viewable from france and their is a MSM media blackout on the subject ofcorse.

This is quite informative on the subject.
https://youtu.be/TNyVcP0e5hw

If it won't let you watch it hop on TOR.

WeAreChange has a lot of good videos on it too..
https://www.youtube.com/user/wearechange/videos

But Stefan (first link) really gets to the root cause.

[bitmover]

This is quite informative on the subject.
https://youtu.be/TNyVcP0e5hw

...
But Stefan (first link) really gets to the root cause.

Lol France is really fuked up. Worse than I thought. Looks like a third world country history .
We live this kind of policies in Brazil for years too..

[eddie13]

"Now representatives from the French Communist Party, the Socialist Party and the far-left populist movement France Unbowed (La France Insoumise) have come together to table the motion against Macron’s government."
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/12/macron-government-to-face-no-confidence-vote-following-french-protests.html

They are trying to swing this like the solution is to move FURTHER left, but the left has been the problem the entire time.

The high taxes they are rioting about is from the increasing leftism. The immigration that is sucking tax money and destroying the culture is the push for leftism to dilute western values of the voting population.

The entire thing is a setup for communist takeover, and now the communists are going to try to step in and "save the day" while all of this has been their plan ALL ALONG to TAKE OVER THE WEST!

Don't let the commies win!

France! Please shake the cobwebs out of your heads from the brainwash fog that has been pressed upon you before it is too late and you are all in gulags!

Their is a MASSIVE international scheme to confuse and weaken the west so THEY can take over and achieve ULTIMATE POWER!
This is a war for control of the free world and you don't even know it! All of the pushed degeneracy, white guilt, immigration, and every step further left is one step closer to their ultimate goal.
Wake up!

Every time a leftist proposes ANYTHING - THINK - How does this proposition advance their ultimate goal agenda of authoritarian one world government domination?
It ALWAYS does! Inch by inch they are winning.

[acmakc12]

I treat such people with respect, they are fighting for their own benefit, which is not true of my third world country, all people endure here, they are torn by what is happening in the country and they don’t try to change anything.

[Jet Cash]

France is a part of Europe. It is even in the European Union unlike Russia.

The revolution is world wide, andit isn't confined to Europe, Trump is fighting the bankster thefts of savings and assets. China is trying to replace the central banks control of the Petro dollar. Britain is fighting to stop the morphed British Empire keeping it in the asset suction cleaner that it owns ( the mis-named Eurpoean Union ).

[LeGaulois]

I just watched one of the videos for a few minutes and got enough. The guy hasn't the right data to talk.
It's fake, not +1900 persons have been arrested. 150 last Saturday, 900 2 weeks ago, we are far from the 2000 he is talking about.

Also, he didn't understand correctly what's going on in France, it's not only about Oil taxes...

It's about the daily life of people, they are tired to work full time since years and are not able to save $20 at the end of the month. Prices are outrageous but minimum wage doesn't follow, Frenches are just asking to get a decent life, especially since they have a job, having enough food and go to holidays once a year.

About the migrant topics the guys maybe didn't know that the migrants were hired by France not to immigrate but to either fight during the war or re-build the country after the world war, the country was full of jobs and not enough workers. Then as a thanks for the nation offered them to stay in the country

[eddie13]

Also, he didn't understand correctly what's going on in France, it's not only about Oil taxes...

The MSM is just pinning it on the gas tax so they have an excuse and don't have to mention the real reasons for the protests. It is much more convienent for them to say it is about the fuel tax than to have to say it is about them being sick of paying so much taxes in general to support oodles of immigrants and the nonsense virtue signaling war against CO2 while they can barely get by themselves.

It's about the daily life of people, they are tired to work full time since years and are not able to save $20 at the end of the month. Prices are outrageous but minimum wage doesn't follow, Frenches are just asking to get a decent life, especially since they have a job, having enough food and go to holidays once a year.

You think raising the minimum wage is the answer?
Maybe one day France will wake up and realize that LESS government is the answer, not more.

If you raise the minimum wage you will just drive more companies/investments out of your country and it will be harder for your immigrants to find ANY job to pull some of their own weight, and it will be harder for all of you to find any job because it will be harder to companies to afford to hire any of you.

You take in so many people that are illiterate in their native languages, much less in French, with little to no education at all.
How high of wages are they worthy of? How much do you want to force any company to pay them for what value they can bring?

If companies DON'T hire them then they will be "racist", so they will, and they will get little value from them while being forced to pay them a high wage..
No one is going to invest in that and these companies are going to flee for regulatory arbitrage.

Go ahead and raise the minimum wage. You do realize that if taxes are for example 50% then your "raise" you will only get 50% of whatever the raise is, and just pay MORE taxes.

Do you want your raise so you can pay more in taxes or are you sick of the high taxes and all the frivolous crap they spend your tax money on?

It's fake, not +1900 persons have been arrested. 150 last Saturday, 900 2 weeks ago, we are far from the 2000 he is talking about.

https://www.france24.com/en/20181209-over-1700-arrested-latest-yellow-vest-protests-france

A few of these say 1,700 a week ago "More than 1,700 people were arrested across France during the latest "yellow vest" protests"..
What about arrests that were from previous "not the latest" yellow vests protests?
Do you think they are accounting for all the arrests in all of the small towns and other cities across the nation?
Do you think it is in the MSMs best interest to state the highest number they can count?

Even just your numbers are over 1,000, which is a lot still....
But the entire thing is "Fake" and you completely discredit one of the greatest philosophers of our time over a slight difference in statistics?
Why does the exact number matter so much and how would you propose to come to an official exact number anyway?

Nah..
Close enough.. A lot is a lot..

[kenzawak]

Let's get a few things straight :

- French government doesn't give a fuck about the environment. They tried to use climate change as an excuse to raise taxes on diesel oil(supposedly worse than regular gas or batteries). Only a small % of those taxes are meant to go into the environment budget. Even our former Minister in charge of Ecology gave up and resigned because he felt helpless.
-Those taxes are raising in order to reduce the state debt, nothing else.
-While the government is asking the poor to pay, it has raised the ministers salaries 20% last year. Same for some of the biggest cities mayors (+40%). Parliament members also have immunity even though many of them have had legal issues in the past (mostly tax fraud). French people are tired of all politicians, whatever their side is, they're fed up with the whole system.
-France is a country of privileges... for politicians but also for the most powerful people. Macron has canceled ISF which was a tax the richest people had to pay. To sum it up, now more than ever, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer.
-The yellow vests are of course asking for more money but also for the right to interfere in the big decisions made by the State. They want what we call the RIC (if you get a petition signed by more than 700 000 people, a referendum has to be held). They also want Macron to resign but that will never happen.
-Macron made a speech this week saying he would raise household purchasing powers but those measures are bullshit (all economists say so), completely fake and only here to try to calm people down and divide them.

One last thing, do not believe everything you hear in the French media. Most of them are controlled by "supporters" of Macron.

[eddie13]

Let's get a few things straight :

- French government doesn't give a fuck about the environment. They tried to use climate change as an excuse to raise taxes on diesel oil(supposedly worse than regular gas or batteries). Only a small % of those taxes are meant to go into the environment budget. Even our former Minister in charge of Ecology gave up and resigned because he felt helpless.
-Those taxes are raising in order to reduce the state debt, nothing else.

I'm not sure..
Even though they stand to increase their income it also increases their POWER.
I think it directly has to do with the good old communist takeover, one world government, ultimate authoritarian, NWO type of thing. Weaken the west so you can more easily take it over. No joke.

If they were so concerned about reducing the debt they would spend/waste less money virtue signaling with net negative immigrants and "clean" energy.
Reducing energy consumption weakens you, making it more expensive, taxing you more in the name of it weakens you. Install a divided population weakens you.
Weakens your collective power to will forward the freedom that made the west great and sovereignty in favor of free shit and a safety net in exchange for control.

[Jet Cash]

At the moment no government is trying to reduce private, national or corporate debt. Debt is slavery, and the deep states uses it to further enslave nations and populations. Taxation is used to fund deep state projects - regime changes, national asset stripping, supporting the immigration of the unemployable and those aiming to destroy national cultures.

Macron is a deep state banker, so obviously his policies are going to be bad for France and the French people.

[Kriptopsina]

State channels in Russia also show unrest in France. The opposition in Russia gives us the French as an example. The French are wonderful people! Vivat

President Putin scares the people of Russia. In France, the revolution. He asks people: what do you want? Do you want like in France?

Many people in Russia dream of living in France. Therefore, the words of the president sound like sarcasm for them.

There is also an opinion that the real reason for the protests lies deeper than popular discontent. Behind the protests are big forces. Such a force could be the United States. US wants to create a single European army. But Macron is against. He wants national strong French army.

[LeGaulois]

@eddie13

If you raise the minimum wage you will just drive more companies/investments out of your country and it will be harder for your immigrants to find ANY job to pull some of their own weight, and it will be harder for all of you to find any job because it will be harder to companies to afford to hire any of you.

You take in so many people that are illiterate in their native languages, much less in French, with little to no education at all.
How high of wages are they worthy of? How much do you want to force any company to pay them for what value they can bring?

Funny you say this because the president increased the minimum wage up to 100€ with no cost for companies, so yes it is possible.
And btw, the companies you're talking are already gone is other countries AFTER receiving millions of euros from the government. Our money Yep

We can't be blamed for people with a low education level. We go to the same free school, have the same teacher and same pen to write so we are all equal if somebody decides to fuck up his education nothing we can do. if they prefer to smoke joints on the city benches, there's nothing we can do about it.

Immigrants jobs don't exist, immigrants can't work in France, and nobody is really interested to hire someone not speaking the local language and  who lives in huts similar to garbage cans

@eddie13

Go ahead and raise the minimum wage. You do realize that if taxes are for example 50% then your "raise" you will only get 50% of whatever the raise is, and just pay MORE taxes.

See, Not only he increased the minim wage up to 100€ but people won't pay more taxes, in fact, people will pay less (perhaps 5% 10%)

Just for fun, I would like to point out we are the only country in the world to have a tax of taxes. Does it make sense?

@eddie13

A few of these say 1,700 a week ago "More than 1,700 people were arrested across France during the latest "yellow vest" protests"..
What about arrests that were from previous "not the latest" yellow vests protests?
Do you think they are accounting for all the arrests in all of the small towns and other cities across the nation?
Do you think it is in the MSMs best interest to state the highest number they can count?

Even just your numbers are over 1,000, which is a lot still...
But the entire thing is "Fake" and you completely discredit one of the greatest philosophers of our time over a slight difference in statistics?
Why does the exact number matter so much and how would you propose to come to an official exact number anyway?

That's exactly what I was talking to, the numbers are never accurate and overestimated in the country and I can tell you why: it's always like this with stats about riots, you need to check (what we call t) the 'trade union' stats and not others

From the previous protests the arrests were so marginal, and people who were arrested are people who are not interested to protest, they are just interested to burn the street, destroy the shop to steal inside, and so on, they are not considered as a part of the protest. I have even seen some yellow vests helping to arrest them lol. But of course, people like your great MSNs is not aware, or is aware but like to repeat like a parrot what media are saying.
Yes arrests in the small town are included and the Overseas territories of France too.

[JohnUser]

@legaulois (ça faisait longtemps mec ;)

How do you know the number of arrests much better than everyone?

I would really like to have your source... especially since I have seen so many and so many.... Not to mention all the preventive arrests (thanks to facebook). Saturday it was almost impossible to enter into Paris.

You're talking about arrest only people "who want to burn the street", is that a joke?

I think you saw many video.. here there's no censorship: https://t.me/lesgiletsjaunes

[bitmover]

It's about the daily life of people, they are tired to work full time since years and are not able to save $20 at the end of the month. Prices are outrageous but minimum wage doesn't follow, Frenches are just asking to get a decent life, especially since they have a job, having enough food and go to holidays once a year.

I see that yellow vests are demanding an increase in minimum wage, social justice, more rights, wealth tax...

They want that the State increases the control over the economy and the society. That the government solve their problems.. that's understandable, as government fucked up... But giving more power to the government is not the way.

Real changes are achieved only by long term proposals. raising minimum wage overnight is not solving anything for example. Wage is determined by how much wealth an employer can produce, if it raises and the employer do not become more productive, he will not be hired.

France is already one of the most repressed economies in Europe according to heritage foundation.
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

[JohnUser]

No, we don't want that the government solve our problems, neither give them more power, it's the opposite.

The Citizens' Initiative Referendum (RIC), also known as a popular initiative referendum, is a legislative procedure in which the initiative belongs exclusively to the citizens and which allows them - if the conditions provided for by law are met - to impose a referendum to take a decision on the Constitution, treaties, laws, regulations... This procedure makes the people the legislator of last resort.

[bitmover]

No, we don't want that the government solve our problems, neither give them more power, it's the opposite.

referendum is one of the very few demands that I read that does not increases government control. Just read a few more here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086257.0;topicseen

[JohnUser]

I have already read it and replied, then posted it in local French... which redirected me here because the discussion is more serious.

Nothing is official in these claims. Thus no political party can take it on its own.

Only the RIC is unanimous (and the purchasing power).

Look what they're doing to us, 1mn video :



Edit : @kenzawak already have summary it :

(~)
-The yellow vests are of course asking for more money but also for the right to interfere in the big decisions made by the State. They want what we call the RIC (if you get a petition signed by more than 700 000 people, a referendum has to be held). They also want Macron to resign but that will never happen.
-Macron made a speech this week saying he would raise household purchasing powers but those measures are bullshit (all economists say so), completely fake and only here to try to calm people down and divide them.

One last thing, do not believe everything you hear in the French media. Most of them are controlled by "supporters" of Macron.