Gods/Divinity is no way anyhow humanist

[KingScorpio]

for those who didnt understood it so far, but i say it clearly after researching te subject carefully,

you can't expect humanist priority from God/Gods or Divinity itself,

for those humans are just NPC in a MMORPG they have created.

they have very good reasons for that, and if you look at africa/india you see that,
but on the other hand they give other good things, like power and human labour cheap as pennies.

ever thought about that?

regards

[BADecker]

When God made people, He made them so well, that He thought it right to place a portion of Himself in them - their soul/spirit.

When people were deceived by their guardian angel who turned to evil, Satan, they allowed themselves to be corrupted.

You can't corrupt God. That is why God is here... to pull as many of His children out of corruption as possible. That's why God has allowed the universe to exist all these years since sin came into the world... to keep His Great Name from being tarnished by the evil that Satan spawned.

[ATMD]

When God made people, He made them so well, that He thought it right to place a portion of Himself in them - their soul/spirit.

When people were deceived by their guardian angel who turned to evil, Satan, they allowed themselves to be corrupted.

You can't corrupt God. That is why God is here... to pull as many of His children out of corruption as possible. That's why God has allowed the universe to exist all these years since sin came into the world... to keep His Great Name from being tarnished by the evil that Satan spawned.

Are we humans created with a tendency for corruption?

[KingScorpio]

When God made people, He made them so well, that He thought it right to place a portion of Himself in them - their soul/spirit.

When people were deceived by their guardian angel who turned to evil, Satan, they allowed themselves to be corrupted.

You can't corrupt God. That is why God is here... to pull as many of His children out of corruption as possible. That's why God has allowed the universe to exist all these years since sin came into the world... to keep His Great Name from being tarnished by the evil that Satan spawned.

Are we humans created with a tendency for corruption?

jes

we are created with limited reason, limited abilities. no human being is almighty with unlimited reason, so its pointless to strive for it.

[MichaelNwaogbo]

Although the bible says we are made in God's image which literally means we share some of God's unique qualities like love, justice, wisdom and power but we are in no way created to a God because we are created with limitations and will always be dependent on God for guidance and direction.
Even when Emperor Mieji, Hirohito's grandfather in 1867 granted a constitution to his subject that stipulated that the emperor was " sacred and inviolable" yet, surprisingly to many Hirohito did not believe in his own divinity and never see himself as a god. The people generally believed that he was a god who possessed miraculous power that is why the wars Japan fought in the 20th century were waged in the emperor's name. but he had limitations and even said most of the wars fought were against his will but has to consent to his ministers showing that even if he is the king he does not have absolute power.
all of this points to the fact that human divinity is almost impossible.   

[KingScorpio]

Although the bible says we are made in God's image which literally means we share some of God's unique qualities like love, justice, wisdom and power but we are in no way created to a God because we are created with limitations and will always be dependent on God for guidance and direction.
Even when Emperor Mieji, Hirohito's grandfather in 1867 granted a constitution to his subject that stipulated that the emperor was " sacred and inviolable" yet, surprisingly to many Hirohito did not believe in his own divinity and never see himself as a god. The people generally believed that he was a god who possessed miraculous power that is why the wars Japan fought in the 20th century were waged in the emperor's name. but he had limitations and even said most of the wars fought were against his will but has to consent to his ministers showing that even if he is the king he does not have absolute power.
all of this points to the fact that human divinity is almost impossible.   

absolute divinity also contains in my oppinion the irrelavance of the time dimension since humans are no four dimensional beings, we can clearly say that humans are limited.

but some think that these limitations are natural and humans have to fight for survival.

[BADecker]

When God made people, He made them so well, that He thought it right to place a portion of Himself in them - their soul/spirit.

When people were deceived by their guardian angel who turned to evil, Satan, they allowed themselves to be corrupted.

You can't corrupt God. That is why God is here... to pull as many of His children out of corruption as possible. That's why God has allowed the universe to exist all these years since sin came into the world... to keep His Great Name from being tarnished by the evil that Satan spawned.

Are we humans created with a tendency for corruption?

jes

we are created with limited reason, limited abilities. no human being is almighty with unlimited reason, so its pointless to strive for it.

There were never any human beings that were created. All were made.

God formed the first of us from the dust of the ground. Then He breathed a touch of Himself into the formation. The rest of us flow from the first, but are physically maintained from the ground, through what we eat, drink and breathe. The spark of our soul is sent from God into the us during conception, or shortly thereafter.

[BADecker]

Here's how simple it is to prove that God exists... and some things about Him.

God Proven in 1 Minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_675386&feature=iv&src_vid=AG-IwEWo-zI&v=Y9pl-L0ckAE

[af_newbie]

Here's how simple it is to prove that God exists... and some things about Him.

God Proven in 1 Minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_675386&feature=iv&src_vid=AG-IwEWo-zI&v=Y9pl-L0ckAE

A cause cannot exist without time. The argument in the video is wrong at the 8 seconds mark.

[BADecker]

Here's how simple it is to prove that God exists... and some things about Him.

God Proven in 1 Minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_675386&feature=iv&src_vid=AG-IwEWo-zI&v=Y9pl-L0ckAE

A cause cannot exist without time. The argument in the video is wrong at the 8 seconds mark.

A cause can exist without time. Your argument is wrong at its start.

[af_newbie]

Here's how simple it is to prove that God exists... and some things about Him.

God Proven in 1 Minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_675386&feature=iv&src_vid=AG-IwEWo-zI&v=Y9pl-L0ckAE

A cause cannot exist without time. The argument in the video is wrong at the 8 seconds mark.

A cause can exist without time. Your argument is wrong at its start.

Without time you will not be able to tell what is the cause and what is the effect.

Cause and effect can only exist in a temporal system. 

Without time there is no "before", so there is no cause.

Sleep on it.  Maybe one day you will understand it.

[BADecker]

Here's how simple it is to prove that God exists... and some things about Him.

God Proven in 1 Minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_675386&feature=iv&src_vid=AG-IwEWo-zI&v=Y9pl-L0ckAE

A cause cannot exist without time. The argument in the video is wrong at the 8 seconds mark.

A cause can exist without time. Your argument is wrong at its start.

Without time you will not be able to tell what is the cause and what is the effect.

Cause and effect can only exist in a temporal system. 

Without time there is no "before", so there is no cause.

Sleep on it.  Maybe one day you will understand it.

For humans to understand what is cause and what is effect, does it matter? If a non-time-held cause causes a time-held existence, so what? A timeless cause can do this.

What is the temporal system you are talking about?

Why do you think that having no "before" indicates no cause? After all, time is part of what makes a time-free cause to be evident.

Perhaps you will understand that if the laws of the universe and physics are not settled, but are being set in place while an all-powerful Cause holds them in ways not present within them, that time can easily exist as caused by a Great First Cause.

[af_newbie]

For humans to understand what is cause and what is effect, does it matter? If a non-time-held cause causes a time-held existence, so what? A timeless cause can do this.

What is the temporal system you are talking about?

The one you exist in. Spacetime.

Why do you think that having no "before" indicates no cause? After all, time is part of what makes a time-free cause to be evident.
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Effects and causes happen in spacetime.  Without spacetime, there are no causes or effects.

It is non-sensical to talk about effects or causes in the absence of time.

Causes happen before effects, in TIME.

[BADecker]

For humans to understand what is cause and what is effect, does it matter? If a non-time-held cause causes a time-held existence, so what? A timeless cause can do this.

What is the temporal system you are talking about?

The one you exist in. Spacetime.

Why do you think that having no "before" indicates no cause? After all, time is part of what makes a time-free cause to be evident.
...

Effects and causes happen in spacetime.  Without spacetime, there are no causes or effects.

It is non-sensical to talk about effects or causes in the absence of time.

Causes happen before effects, in TIME.

It's easy to understand that there is at least one cause without time. What is that cause? It is the cause that time was the effect of.

[af_newbie]

For humans to understand what is cause and what is effect, does it matter? If a non-time-held cause causes a time-held existence, so what? A timeless cause can do this.

What is the temporal system you are talking about?

The one you exist in. Spacetime.

Why do you think that having no "before" indicates no cause? After all, time is part of what makes a time-free cause to be evident.
...

Effects and causes happen in spacetime.  Without spacetime, there are no causes or effects.

It is non-sensical to talk about effects or causes in the absence of time.

Causes happen before effects, in TIME.

It's easy to understand that there is at least one cause without time. What is that cause? It is the cause that time was the effect of.

Your mistake is you are extending (space)time to an instance before the (space)time was created.

You are basically saying that time was not created at the Big Bang moment.

[BADecker]

For humans to understand what is cause and what is effect, does it matter? If a non-time-held cause causes a time-held existence, so what? A timeless cause can do this.

What is the temporal system you are talking about?

The one you exist in. Spacetime.

Why do you think that having no "before" indicates no cause? After all, time is part of what makes a time-free cause to be evident.
...

Effects and causes happen in spacetime.  Without spacetime, there are no causes or effects.

It is non-sensical to talk about effects or causes in the absence of time.

Causes happen before effects, in TIME.

It's easy to understand that there is at least one cause without time. What is that cause? It is the cause that time was the effect of.

Your mistake is you are extending (space)time to an instance before the (space)time was created.

You are basically saying that time was not created at the Big Bang moment.

You know that this isn't what I am saying. Why do you know this? Because you know that there isn't any BB.

The Cause of the universe caused the component parts of time, which He later turned into time.

The Cause was not before. It simply was the Cause. Why wasn't the Cause before? Because time didn't exist, yet. Therefore the Cause was simply the Cause. Once the components of time existed... once they were brought into being... time existed after a fashion.

Wake up and stop letting your retarded engineer training keep you from recognizing the truth.

[af_newbie]

For humans to understand what is cause and what is effect, does it matter? If a non-time-held cause causes a time-held existence, so what? A timeless cause can do this.

What is the temporal system you are talking about?

The one you exist in. Spacetime.

Why do you think that having no "before" indicates no cause? After all, time is part of what makes a time-free cause to be evident.
...

Effects and causes happen in spacetime.  Without spacetime, there are no causes or effects.

It is non-sensical to talk about effects or causes in the absence of time.

Causes happen before effects, in TIME.

It's easy to understand that there is at least one cause without time. What is that cause? It is the cause that time was the effect of.

Your mistake is you are extending (space)time to an instance before the (space)time was created.

You are basically saying that time was not created at the Big Bang moment.

You know that this isn't what I am saying. Why do you know this? Because you know that there isn't any BB.

The Cause of the universe caused the component parts of time, which He later turned into time.

The Cause was not before. It simply was the Cause. Why wasn't the Cause before? Because time didn't exist, yet. Therefore the Cause was simply the Cause. Once the components of time existed... once they were brought into being... time existed after a fashion.

Wake up and stop letting your retarded engineer training keep you from recognizing the truth.

You are putting the cart before the horse.  How do you know the universe was created by a guy?

Maybe the universe was always here in one form or another.  Have you considered that possibility?

Maybe we are part of a simulation done by some high school students from an alien civilization.

Maybe we are on the other side of a singularity of some black hole in another universe.

Have you considered all the possibilities?  Or Maybe you just picked the one that feels most comfortable to you?

As for the cause without time, sorry buddy, no time, no cause.  It is pretty self-explanatory.

Our reality is based in spacetime.  Just because your imagination takes you outside of it, it does not mean that your delusion is true.
It does not matter how many times you repeat it, or how many copies of a book you give away for free.

[CoinCube]

Our reality...  Just because your imagination takes you outside of it, it does not mean that your delusion is true.

It does not matter how many times you repeat it, or how many copies of a book you give away for free.

A child born and raised in prison may never have seen the world outside the four walls of his cage.  Nevertheless he can still correctly imagine some aspects of that world based on what it is not. It's not a prison.

J.R.R. Tolkien discussed this with C.S. Lewis back when Lewis was an atheist. I found the account of that exchange fascinating.

C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien on the power of Fiction
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WoAE15gtEzg

[BADecker]

You know that this isn't what I am saying. Why do you know this? Because you know that there isn't any BB.

The Cause of the universe caused the component parts of time, which He later turned into time.

The Cause was not before. It simply was the Cause. Why wasn't the Cause before? Because time didn't exist, yet. Therefore the Cause was simply the Cause. Once the components of time existed... once they were brought into being... time existed after a fashion.

Wake up and stop letting your retarded engineer training keep you from recognizing the truth.

You are putting the cart before the horse.  How do you know the universe was created by a guy?

Maybe the universe was always here in one form or another.  Have you considered that possibility?

Maybe we are part of a simulation done by some high school students from an alien civilization.

Maybe we are on the other side of a singularity of some black hole in another universe.

Have you considered all the possibilities?  Or Maybe you just picked the one that feels most comfortable to you?

As for the cause without time, sorry buddy, no time, no cause.  It is pretty self-explanatory.

Our reality is based in spacetime.  Just because your imagination takes you outside of it, it does not mean that your delusion is true.
It does not matter how many times you repeat it, or how many copies of a book you give away for free.

The question isn't the gender of the Creator.

Entropy shows us that the universe was created recently. How? By the complexity that it has. If the universe had been born by BB 13 billion years ago, entropy would have collapsed the complexity of it into a massless, shapeless "goo" by now. People would not exist because we are way too complex for any complexity that would exist in the universe by now.

Your other points are simply questions that you don't really have a base for asking. Why? Because they don't fit what you believe to be true. Anybody can ask goofy, off-base questions.

Entropy shows that our space-time reality had a beginning not too far in the past.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat your crap. You don't have a scientific leg to stand on.

[CoinCube]

Entropy shows us that the universe was created recently. How? By the complexity that it has. If the universe had been born by BB 13 billion years ago, entropy would have collapsed the complexity of it into a massless, shapeless "goo" by now. People would not exist because we are way too complex for any complexity that would exist in the universe by now.
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Entropy shows that our space-time reality had a beginning not too far in the past.

It is in my opinion error to overly focus on one specific interpretation of fact when other possible interpretations of that fact could be true.

When we insist that our faith demands a specific fact when such an assertion is not actually necessary it we ground ourselves on an unstable foundation. If we error in such a false assertion we are forced to ignore ever mounting evidence that our interpretation does not in fact conform to reality. We turn into our famous resident flat earth advocate who must entertain ever more elaborate conspiracy theories to maintain his disbelief in reality.

For example take Genesis 1. It is often asserted as a foundation for young earth creationism. I personally think that this view may be an error.

Below is my personal take on Genesis one. I make no claims it is absolutely truth. However, in does my opinion restore harmony between the Biblical account and current scientific understanding.

Ages of Creation in Genesis

Day 1:  “Let there be light,”  = Big Bang
 "He separated the light from the darkness".  = Photon decoupling thought to occur at about 378,000 years after the Big Bang

Day 2:
“Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” = Between about 10 and 17 million years the universe's average temperature was suitable for liquid water (273 – 373K). It is possible that rocky planets or indeed life could have arisen briefly, since statistically a tiny part of the universe could have had different conditions from the rest, and gained warmth from the universe as a whole.

The habitable epoch of the early Universe
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~loeb/habitable.pdf

Day 3
"Let the land produce vegetation.” = Life did indeed form and thrive during this early habitable epoch.

Day 4

"And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years"" = First stars formed around 400 to 700 million years after the Big Bang.

"God made two great lights—the greater light to governthe day and the lesser light to governthe night." = Earth and moon formed approximately  4.54 billion years ago.

Day 5

"God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it." = Life created on earth perhaps first in deep sea vents on the floor of the ocean and then rapidly spreading throughout the ocean in various forms.

Day 6

And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds... Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” = God created land animals probably via spread out of the oceans and God created humans the creation which via our knowledge holds dominion over all other creatures in our corner of the universe.

Now I don't claim with certainty that this harmonization is in fact entirely correct, However, it is seems logically sound enough to me so I hold to it at the moment. The exact ordering of creation has no relevance to the foundation of my faith so I am perfectly willing to improve my understanding if in the future I become convinced that my understanding is in error.