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This is a translation of the original article located here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5058626.msg47345560#msg47345560

Friends, let me tell you about one amazing rule that will allow you to save a lot of money. Now on the forum there are unpleasant trowels about trust managers who have been turned into fraudsters. It pushed me to share my thoughts. Please do not take this as a desire to teach you life. This is not true. I will simply tell what I adhere to myself and hope that this will help you too. So let's formulate this most important rule:
 
  If someone offers you to invest in something profitable and at the same time offers a fixed percentage of profit per month (especially, and especially if this percentage is significant), then you have a fraudster. Stay away from him

No one will ever be able to provide you with a fixed percentage of profit per month for any substantial long-term period. No one, never for anything. Is that the Lord God, but he is unlikely to do it). You may have a reasonable question: "Why?"
There are many reasons here. I do not know them all, but I will give only those that seem reasonable to me.
1. Markets are constantly changing. They change in such a way that the profit can get a minority to the detriment of the majority. And the minority is constantly changing. This does not mean that you cannot be successful in the long run. You can. But in the short term ALL traders periodically either sit in drawdowns or in losses. And sooner or later it can be so serious that such grief - the ruler of other people's money simply cannot physically pay the declared interest to its depositors. In this case, scam comes and sobering.
2. Argument from the contrary. Imagine the impossible. What really is a miracle on earth is a trader capable of consistently making at least 10 percent of profit per month on any long-term basis. I hasten to convince you that such a genius of trade trustees of their funds are not needed. Using even quite an average initial deposit of, say, a couple of thousand US dollars, this wizard of the market can make a fantastic fortune in a reasonable time. Which will suffice not only to him until the end of his life, but his great-grandchildren will remain. It's all about the so-called compound interest.
The formula of compound interest is googled in a couple of minutes. We take a calculator and count.

Here is the compound percentage formula for our rule:
 X (1+ (Y% / 100)) to the power n
where x is the initial deposit amount, Y% is the monthly interest rate in percent, n is the deposit term in months.
Suppose the initial deposit amount is $ 2,000. Percentage per month promised to you - 10. Contribution - 12 months. How much will we get from such trading in a year?
 We consider: 2000 (1+ (10/100) and we build all this to the 12th degree (!!!). It turns out: ~ 6276.85. Not enough?
And where are we to hurry? Wait, do not rush, everything is still ahead, we are a miracle - traders and do not forget that we are starting from a relatively modest amount, but we have already done roughly X 3.13 in a year. Let's look at how much our capital will grow in the following years:
The second year_6276 X 3.13 = 19643, 88. Not bad at all, right?
Third year: 61485 (here I’ll further round the numbers, removing the values ​​after the comma, so the real numbers will be even higher)
Fourth: 192449
Fifth: 602365
Sixth: 1885404. As we see our miracle - the trader has exceeded one million in just the sixth year of trading. Once again I ask: why should he mess with depositors? Well, okay, let's go on.
Seventh: 5901317.
Eighth:> 18,000,000
/// /// /// ///
In a couple of years there will be a billion, and a trillion dollars this trader will earn within fifteen years. Further consider not see the point. I think from the forum bitcointower, he will leave much earlier)

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December 19, 2018, 04:21:35 PM
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TLDR: don't trust anyone offering you a fixed rate of return, if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. Great advice but very much over-complicated here.

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December 19, 2018, 04:24:06 PM
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TLDR: don't trust anyone offering you a fixed rate of return, if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. Great advice but very much over-complicated here.


A fixed return is possible if the creditor is absorving the risk.

Creditor runs risky investments using your money, but gives you fixed returns in exchange for lower yield. This is fine as long as there's oversight over liquidity to guarantee the fund manager didn't lose it all - it'd then become a ponzi.

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December 19, 2018, 11:35:00 PM
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The thing is only those who want easy money would want a fixed percentage of profit per month or a fixed percentage will always attract those who think cryptocurrency is all about the money and not the technology. It will always be something more than that for people to start investing in it.

I always have two rules for a fraudster.

1. If it is too good to be true, then it probably is.
2. If you need affiliates to earn some money, it may be paying now but who knows how long it will last?

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December 20, 2018, 11:52:13 AM
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TLDR: don't trust anyone offering you a fixed rate of return, if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. Great advice but very much over-complicated here.


A fixed return is possible if the creditor is absorving the risk.

Creditor runs risky investments using your money, but gives you fixed returns in exchange for lower yield. This is fine as long as there's oversight over liquidity to guarantee the fund manager didn't lose it all - it'd then become a ponzi.

Possible yes, just not the rates that people offer in many circumstances. This post hints at it. If someone could even make only 1% a day, that compounds to be a 3700% increase in just a year and a 142700% increase in 2 years. Why if anyone had a system that could create so much would they offer to let someone else access it for just a small fee or anything else? Anyone offering a guaranteed return of over about 20% (even that is precarious) per year is almost certainly working some sort of an angle.

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December 20, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
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I read the original post. I agree that promises about fixed monthly profits are a bad sign. Unless, of course, we're talking about really low percentage that is sometimes offered by banks. Anyway, if there's a contract, I think that it's okay to take such an offer. In case you don't get what you were promised, you can sue this person. However, the whole post is basically just about this single tip of not taking the offer that is too good to be true. What about some other trading tips? I mean, taking an offer with regular profits and no legal background that supports such promises is surely a waste of time and money, but there are so many other complicated cases people would probably be interested to learn about.

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December 20, 2018, 01:29:12 PM
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I remember all those HYIP scam crypto companies 2 years ago.All they've had was a decent looking website saying "Invest now and get 5% return per week,guaranteed!".All those lies about how they have an awesome trading team/trading bot tha's going to make 5000% return of investments and all the other bullshit.
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December 20, 2018, 01:30:28 PM
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TLDR: don't trust anyone offering you a fixed rate of return, if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. Great advice but very much over-complicated here.


A fixed return is possible if the creditor is absorving the risk.

Creditor runs risky investments using your money, but gives you fixed returns in exchange for lower yield. This is fine as long as there's oversight over liquidity to guarantee the fund manager didn't lose it all - it'd then become a ponzi.

Your correct but a lot of these scammers offer unrealistic rates that will never be reached.  If anyone had such a sound strategy they could come up with at least a small amount of money themselves and grow it exponentially without needing outside funding sources.
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December 20, 2018, 03:17:13 PM
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This is a translation of the original article located here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5058626.msg47345560#msg47345560

Friends, let me tell you about one amazing rule that will allow you to save a lot of money. Now on the forum there are unpleasant trowels about trust managers who have been turned into fraudsters. It pushed me to share my thoughts. Please do not take this as a desire to teach you life. This is not true. I will simply tell what I adhere to myself and hope that this will help you too. So let's formulate this most important rule:
 
  If someone offers you to invest in something profitable and at the same time offers a fixed percentage of profit per month (especially, and especially if this percentage is significant), then you have a fraudster. Stay away from him

No one will ever be able to provide you with a fixed percentage of profit per month for any substantial long-term period. No one, never for anything. Is that the Lord God, but he is unlikely to do it). You may have a reasonable question: "Why?"
There are many reasons here. I do not know them all, but I will give only those that seem reasonable to me.
1. Markets are constantly changing. They change in such a way that the profit can get a minority to the detriment of the majority. And the minority is constantly changing. This does not mean that you cannot be successful in the long run. You can. But in the short term ALL traders periodically either sit in drawdowns or in losses. And sooner or later it can be so serious that such grief - the ruler of other people's money simply cannot physically pay the declared interest to its depositors. In this case, scam comes and sobering.
2. Argument from the contrary. Imagine the impossible. What really is a miracle on earth is a trader capable of consistently making at least 10 percent of profit per month on any long-term basis. I hasten to convince you that such a genius of trade trustees of their funds are not needed. Using even quite an average initial deposit of, say, a couple of thousand US dollars, this wizard of the market can make a fantastic fortune in a reasonable time. Which will suffice not only to him until the end of his life, but his great-grandchildren will remain. It's all about the so-called compound interest.
The formula of compound interest is googled in a couple of minutes. We take a calculator and count.

Here is the compound percentage formula for our rule:
 X (1+ (Y% / 100)) to the power n
where x is the initial deposit amount, Y% is the monthly interest rate in percent, n is the deposit term in months.
Suppose the initial deposit amount is $ 2,000. Percentage per month promised to you - 10. Contribution - 12 months. How much will we get from such trading in a year?
 We consider: 2000 (1+ (10/100) and we build all this to the 12th degree (!!!). It turns out: ~ 6276.85. Not enough?
And where are we to hurry? Wait, do not rush, everything is still ahead, we are a miracle - traders and do not forget that we are starting from a relatively modest amount, but we have already done roughly X 3.13 in a year. Let's look at how much our capital will grow in the following years:
The second year_6276 X 3.13 = 19643, 88. Not bad at all, right?
Third year: 61485 (here I’ll further round the numbers, removing the values ​​after the comma, so the real numbers will be even higher)
Fourth: 192449
Fifth: 602365
Sixth: 1885404. As we see our miracle - the trader has exceeded one million in just the sixth year of trading. Once again I ask: why should he mess with depositors? Well, okay, let's go on.
Seventh: 5901317.
Eighth:> 18,000,000
/// /// /// ///
In a couple of years there will be a billion, and a trillion dollars this trader will earn within fifteen years. Further consider not see the point. I think from the forum bitcointower, he will leave much earlier)

As I read this it is kinda easy to say but I find it very confusing and hard to do in a actual trading and investing. But I guess it is worth to try though.
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December 20, 2018, 03:44:00 PM
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TLDR: don't trust anyone offering you a fixed rate of return, if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. Great advice but very much over-complicated here.
the rules are at least like bitcoin because I learned from my friends to get to know investors and I have trouble investors at this time
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This is a translation of the original article located here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5058626.msg47345560#msg47345560

Friends, let me tell you about one amazing rule that will allow you to save a lot of money. Now on the forum there are unpleasant trowels about trust managers who have been turned into fraudsters. It pushed me to share my thoughts. Please do not take this as a desire to teach you life. This is not true. I will simply tell what I adhere to myself and hope that this will help you too. So let's formulate this most important rule:
 
  If someone offers you to invest in something profitable and at the same time offers a fixed percentage of profit per month (especially, and especially if this percentage is significant), then you have a fraudster. Stay away from him

No one will ever be able to provide you with a fixed percentage of profit per month for any substantial long-term period. No one, never for anything. Is that the Lord God, but he is unlikely to do it). You may have a reasonable question: "Why?"
There are many reasons here. I do not know them all, but I will give only those that seem reasonable to me.
1. Markets are constantly changing. They change in such a way that the profit can get a minority to the detriment of the majority. And the minority is constantly changing. This does not mean that you cannot be successful in the long run. You can. But in the short term ALL traders periodically either sit in drawdowns or in losses. And sooner or later it can be so serious that such grief - the ruler of other people's money simply cannot physically pay the declared interest to its depositors. In this case, scam comes and sobering.
2. Argument from the contrary. Imagine the impossible. What really is a miracle on earth is a trader capable of consistently making at least 10 percent of profit per month on any long-term basis. I hasten to convince you that such a genius of trade trustees of their funds are not needed. Using even quite an average initial deposit of, say, a couple of thousand US dollars, this wizard of the market can make a fantastic fortune in a reasonable time. Which will suffice not only to him until the end of his life, but his great-grandchildren will remain. It's all about the so-called compound interest.
The formula of compound interest is googled in a couple of minutes. We take a calculator and count.

Here is the compound percentage formula for our rule:
 X (1+ (Y% / 100)) to the power n
where x is the initial deposit amount, Y% is the monthly interest rate in percent, n is the deposit term in months.
Suppose the initial deposit amount is $ 2,000. Percentage per month promised to you - 10. Contribution - 12 months. How much will we get from such trading in a year?
 We consider: 2000 (1+ (10/100) and we build all this to the 12th degree (!!!). It turns out: ~ 6276.85. Not enough?
And where are we to hurry? Wait, do not rush, everything is still ahead, we are a miracle - traders and do not forget that we are starting from a relatively modest amount, but we have already done roughly X 3.13 in a year. Let's look at how much our capital will grow in the following years:
The second year_6276 X 3.13 = 19643, 88. Not bad at all, right?
Third year: 61485 (here I’ll further round the numbers, removing the values ​​after the comma, so the real numbers will be even higher)
Fourth: 192449
Fifth: 602365
Sixth: 1885404. As we see our miracle - the trader has exceeded one million in just the sixth year of trading. Once again I ask: why should he mess with depositors? Well, okay, let's go on.
Seventh: 5901317.
Eighth:> 18,000,000
/// /// /// ///
In a couple of years there will be a billion, and a trillion dollars this trader will earn within fifteen years. Further consider not see the point. I think from the forum bitcointower, he will leave much earlier)
Julien, thank you for sharing this with us and to some of us that has been long in trading this is a great remainder and for me in particular I am not taking this advice and rules for granted.  Trading is a game and we should not even go into trading without developing our understanding on the above rules.  I have given advice to many traders especially the newbies on how to trade and i always told  them that they Should look for rules they can follow.
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December 21, 2018, 01:13:56 AM
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For some people like me, trading is very risky because market fluctuation very high. I am prefer invest and hold it for long term because i see the potential of this market. Its true that trading profitable because its making profits from market fluctuation but it need trading skill and dicipline on our strategy

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For some people like me, trading is very risky because market fluctuation very high. I am prefer invest and hold it for long term because i see the potential of this market. Its true that trading profitable because its making profits from market fluctuation but it need trading skill and dicipline on our strategy
besides that experience in trading becomes very important to support skills in trading. many are only aware of the profits they get, without knowing the risks, and that will backfire for themselves. for those who have experience in trading, high fluctuations become an advantage for them

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For some people like me, trading is very risky because market fluctuation very high. I am prefer invest and hold it for long term because i see the potential of this market. Its true that trading profitable because its making profits from market fluctuation but it need trading skill and dicipline on our strategy
besides that experience in trading becomes very important to support skills in trading. many are only aware of the profits they get, without knowing the risks, and that will backfire for themselves. for those who have experience in trading, high fluctuations become an advantage for them
traders like high volatility in market.this movement create huge opportunity for them to generate profits.so more expert us in analize market more opportunity created for us to gain profits.

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December 21, 2018, 04:28:18 AM
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TLDR: don't trust anyone offering you a fixed rate of return, if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. Great advice but very much over-complicated here.


A fixed return is possible if the creditor is absorving the risk.

Creditor runs risky investments using your money, but gives you fixed returns in exchange for lower yield. This is fine as long as there's oversight over liquidity to guarantee the fund manager didn't lose it all - it'd then become a ponzi.

Possible yes, just not the rates that people offer in many circumstances. This post hints at it. If someone could even make only 1% a day, that compounds to be a 3700% increase in just a year and a 142700% increase in 2 years. Why if anyone had a system that could create so much would they offer to let someone else access it for just a small fee or anything else? Anyone offering a guaranteed return of over about 20% (even that is precarious) per year is almost certainly working some sort of an angle.

It is easier said than done, thee is no trader in this world that would go a day in a year with consistent profit, we need to be realistics, anyone promising a fixed profit is running a ponzi scam, flexible return is possible provided the person is transparent and discipline, most trader end up losing money and there is a reason fo this, you are privy to all information
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December 21, 2018, 07:02:01 AM
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For some people like me, trading is very risky because market fluctuation very high. I am prefer invest and hold it for long term because i see the potential of this market. Its true that trading profitable because its making profits from market fluctuation but it need trading skill and dicipline on our strategy
besides that experience in trading becomes very important to support skills in trading. many are only aware of the profits they get, without knowing the risks, and that will backfire for themselves. for those who have experience in trading, high fluctuations become an advantage for them
traders like high volatility in market.this movement create huge opportunity for them to generate profits.so more expert us in analize market more opportunity created for us to gain profits.

but we also have to look at the market conditions, trading in a moderate market condition, bearish is also very bad, inaccurate analysis and cause us to take the entry at the wrong time. The level of risk usually has a higher level than the expected profit

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December 21, 2018, 07:24:59 AM
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This sounds like a dividend and unless they are charging dividends themselves, I agree that it is hard to pay out that much money.
Now on the other hand, I have some bots working and they are providing me profits all the time. The more money I have, the more money they provide.
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December 21, 2018, 08:16:48 AM
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For some people like me, trading is very risky because market fluctuation very high. I am prefer invest and hold it for long term because i see the potential of this market. Its true that trading profitable because its making profits from market fluctuation but it need trading skill and dicipline on our strategy

Not only you, but everyone knows that trading is a very risky business. Don't believed on anyone saying that it's easy to make money in trading, otherwise those guys are lying.

It's likely that the offer OP has posted is a scam because there's no fool-proof strategy in trading or investing. The compound rule looks very enticing for newbie, however you just needed your common sense to tell you that realistically, that's not possible so just be careful.

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    Julien, thank you for sharing this with us and to some of us that has been long in trading this is a great remainder and for me in particular I am not taking this advice and rules for granted.  Trading is a game and we should not even go into trading without developing our understanding on the above rules.  I have given advice to many traders especially the newbies on how to trade and i always told  them that they Should look for rules they can follow.     

Thanks for the comment. By the way, in the original topic, one of the users shared the idea of a bank deposit. I forgot to say this. The idea is that if someone promises a fixed yield significantly higher than a bank deposit, then he does not need to collect depositors' money. If you are a miracle trader, then take a bank loan and trade. But fraudsters do not want to take loans from a bank.

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    Julien, thank you for sharing this with us and to some of us that has been long in trading this is a great remainder and for me in particular I am not taking this advice and rules for granted.  Trading is a game and we should not even go into trading without developing our understanding on the above rules.  I have given advice to many traders especially the newbies on how to trade and i always told  them that they Should look for rules they can follow.     

Thanks for the comment. By the way, in the original topic, one of the users shared the idea of a bank deposit. I forgot to say this. The idea is that if someone promises a fixed yield significantly higher than a bank deposit, then he does not need to collect depositors' money. If you are a miracle trader, then take a bank loan and trade. But fraudsters do not want to take loans from a bank.


Investment is risky...all form of invedtment jave the same degree of risk. It is dependent on the amount you put up for investment. My additional guideline or rule which is the basic principled applied. Invest only what you can afford.Small investment small possible losses, and it goes just the same with higher investment with high possible losses. Investment is to gain profits but if you place your investment to a wrong coin or project contrary to high value profits then you migth have a problem.Invest only the amount that is not committed to anything.good luck

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