no 1 reason why the bulls are starting real soon!!!

[coinluisa]

The stock market crashing is the number 1 sign of a crypto bull run, it's coming!!! also, stocks is pumped through fiat money. In times like this, people will look for gold, silver and even crypto!

and look at the short altcoins boom, and also because people are running away from stocks right now!! this is a good sign that the sec will approve the ETF and bakkt will be launched, to drive BTC to a massive ATH.

Think about it guys, why would they launch ETF and bakkt in a bear market? why SEC keeps delaying etf when they can just reject it straightaway? they know it will have no effect on the price when the market is still bearish and no 1 is buying btc, now with this stock market crash will be perfect time for them to launch!! expect btc to go to the moon!!

i dont think btc will even shoot past 20k in a bear market even with an ETF if sec was to approve it back then. The market has to be bullish first!
it's no coincidence that this stock market crash lines up perfectly with the last deadline for ETF, it's a heavily manipulated market!

Well you have point it's TRUE that if sec wants to decide to not approve the ETF I think they do it from the start and theres no delayed or playful reasons. So I think bull run will be start I think ETF will not affect the bull run in the market.

[1Referee]

Before we had discussions that crypto market is crashing because of stock also crashing but now it changes upside down so it won't convince me that the prices of cryptos were increased because of crash in stock market.

We need a bit more time going forward to see how both markets react. In the more recent months there has been a decent level of correlation, but it obviously won't repeat each and every time. The advantage here is that Bitcoin could very well be near its bottom, or perhaps has found a bottom already, while the US stock market has so much room to the downside, that we'll see trillions evaporate like it's nothing.

If Bitcoin is going up from here, and the stock market keeps going down, even if the movements aren't related to each other at all, the mass thinking the movements being related will definitely play a role of importance. This market lacks liquidity in both up and down directions, so more retail money entering will be a positive for sure.

[A7373]

Before we had discussions that crypto market is crashing because of stock also crashing but now it changes upside down so it won't convince me that the prices of cryptos were increased because of crash in stock market.

We need a bit more time going forward to see how both markets react. In the more recent months there has been a decent level of correlation, but it obviously won't repeat each and every time. The advantage here is that Bitcoin could very well be near its bottom, or perhaps has found a bottom already, while the US stock market has so much room to the downside, that we'll see trillions evaporate like it's nothing.

If Bitcoin is going up from here, and the stock market keeps going down, even if the movements aren't related to each other at all, the mass thinking the movements being related will definitely play a role of importance. This market lacks liquidity in both up and down directions, so more retail money entering will be a positive for sure.

Of course, I don’t really trust those analyzes in the cryptocurrency market, because it is amenable to manipulation and absolutely not in control. But it seems to me that Bitcoin should not fall below $ 2500 .

[pinoyden]

when stocks are dumping , i dont think that cryptos can pump because many people will loose thier money but you are also right. maybe they can switch to cryptos . anyways , the bull is already started  but i think this is only because the christmas is  now getting close  .  the price hike will possibly continue until we permanently end this current year 2018  .

[Question123]

Maybe because the investor invest again. We notice the price increase each bitcoin more than $4000 and soon maybe become $5000 each next week or next year. Hope to see bull run or become very high so that we will earn more money again.

[timerland]

The stock market crashing is the number 1 sign of a crypto bull run, it's coming!!! also, stocks is pumped through fiat money. In times like this, people will look for gold, silver and even crypto!

and look at the short altcoins boom, and also because people are running away from stocks right now!! this is a good sign that the sec will approve the ETF and bakkt will be launched, to drive BTC to a massive ATH.

Think about it guys, why would they launch ETF and bakkt in a bear market? why SEC keeps delaying etf when they can just reject it straightaway? they know it will have no effect on the price when the market is still bearish and no 1 is buying btc, now with this stock market crash will be perfect time for them to launch!! expect btc to go to the moon!!

i dont think btc will even shoot past 20k in a bear market even with an ETF if sec was to approve it back then. The market has to be bullish first!
it's no coincidence that this stock market crash lines up perfectly with the last deadline for ETF, it's a heavily manipulated market!

I do agree that if stock markets crash, or another financial crisis hits (especially if it's an inflationary one), then bitcoin will actually benefit due to the fact that it is decentralized, people trust in it as a store of value just like precious metals, and has a limited currency supply that cannot be manipulated by any single entity, or the government.

However, with that said, I don't expect a bullish breakout is happening any time soon still. Stocks are adjusting, but it's not in a bear market yet.

Yes, prices have gone up slightly from the bottom of $3k to around $4k. But that in my opinion is nothing but a short term rally that was due sooner or later. The overall sentiment is still extremely bearish at this stage, and it's much more likely to see prices move sluggishly and dipping occasionally, before the actual recovery hits, due to the fact that we're not close to the time taken for the last bear market to recover yet.

[egyptian magician]

There could be some substance to this theory. The last significant stock market correction occurred in August 2015, and isn't that about the time that the previous bear market ended? I don't see bitcoin as a hedge for investors, in the sense that they're moving money to crypto to protect their assets. But if this stock market decline continues, I could see many investors becoming frustrated and moving to crypto in the hopes of turning some quick profit which could lay the foundation for another rally.

[pooya87]

it has always made sense that when stocks market crashes or performs poorly people look elsewhere and one of those places to be bitcoin market. but the problem is that this has always been more of a theory than a reality. we have not yet seen enough cases of this happening without it being a mere coincidence to be able to support the theory.

in my opinion people do switch over to bitcoin but that is not enough to change much about its price specially since many of them do OTC trading instead of on exchanges which doesn't affect the price.

[Futureglory]

FOr to me I dont even know whether is the real bullish race or just to deceive us. I only trust things will be better for bitcoin.

[mahilchii]

Maybe because the investor invest again.

Yes this might be a reason too, investors may be jumping to buy more coins. Few say the crash in the stock market can be a major reason but I don't believe in this. The market is slowly gearing up is something good as we expected let's wait and see.

[wendiar19]

ETF are only events that provoke bitcoin price movements, but with the existence of a bitcoin ETF, the price falls and makes many panic and sell their assets and get a lot of losses.

[bitbunnny]

I would wait with any of conclusions because the market is not yet showing any real signs. At the moment it's realy hard to say if and when the bull run will start again.
And I don't see any relation between Bitcoin and stock exchange market, at least not something that could be realy proved and that has some solid ground.
The next weeks and months will show the real situation and the mood of investors so we should be patient for a while.

[myohmy81]

The stock market crashing is the number 1 sign of a crypto bull run, it's coming!!! also, stocks is pumped through fiat money. In times like this, people will look for gold, silver and even crypto!

The crashing of stock market could be the advantage of crypto while it's still in bearish as those investors from stock market can easily enter crypto at lower price. This might be the reason that we had uptrend momentum as the price of bitcoin had slowly crawling up for 3 days. I'm hoping that we can sustain the momentum and absorb those who want to dumps to increase more demands until year end. Then, we can have a good start for next year and achieve at $6k range might be possible.

[A7373]

The stock market crashing is the number 1 sign of a crypto bull run, it's coming!!! also, stocks is pumped through fiat money. In times like this, people will look for gold, silver and even crypto!

The crashing of stock market could be the advantage of crypto while it's still in bearish as those investors from stock market can easily enter crypto at lower price. This might be the reason that we had uptrend momentum as the price of bitcoin had slowly crawling up for 3 days. I'm hoping that we can sustain the momentum and absorb those who want to dumps to increase more demands until year end. Then, we can have a good start for next year and achieve at $6k range might be possible.

Maybe the topic starter is right?) Some kind of market activity has already begun, but you still have to wait a bit. Indeed, now there are no reasons for the market reversal.

[Febo]

All what we need is bull run, and the bull run have started already. If the crash in stock market will bring bull run in cryptocurrency markert, we will still be happy to have black Friday this christmas.

in times of economic downturn people look to store there wealth in gold and silver, i would love to think what would happen if people started using Bitcoin for this instead. I dont think we are there yet but the day will come...

People already are buying Bitcoin instead of Gold. That took lots of value off the Gold so far.  But few years after recession hit Gold will reach new ATH again. No matter of Bitcoin. Maybe even higher ATH then would if Bitcoin would not happen. Simply because Bitcoin opened peoples eyes.

[figmentofmyass]

Before we had discussions that crypto market is crashing because of stock also crashing but now it changes upside down so it won't convince me that the prices of cryptos were increased because of crash in stock market.

We need a bit more time going forward to see how both markets react. In the more recent months there has been a decent level of correlation, but it obviously won't repeat each and every time.

for the entire life of bitcoin, they've had a decent level of correlation. i'd agree we need to give it more time because this is just a short term divergence from a longer term pattern.

The advantage here is that Bitcoin could very well be near its bottom, or perhaps has found a bottom already, while the US stock market has so much room to the downside, that we'll see trillions evaporate like it's nothing.

actually, they're both in a similar situation. they've both been in a strong bull market for a decade and in both cases, there's no guarantee that will continue. you're assuming the bull market is not over in bitcoin, but that it might be for stocks.

i'm guessing the long term bull will continue in both markets, but a good deal of time will probably need to pass first.

[Bonsaiav]

For those who can think smartly, the fall in bitcoin prices that have occurred so far, they consider it the best opportunity and is the right time for new investors who want to involve themselves in the business of this type of commodity, because they can buy bitcoin at a price low. At present maybe some new investors have made a purchase, we can see from the move of the bitcoin price, between 1.65% to 2.48. So, buying today's the best way to absorb big profits in the future, especially when prices rise.

What will happen in the future, it all depends on what we are doing now, so start now to buy bitcoin.

[Adriano2010]

No one can say when bull run will start but i also think we will have a grow very soon, and maybe we can see a new ATH for bitcoin in 1-2 months. I will stil hold my coins and wait for a bigger price than before, and get a nice profit.

[bintangkejoraku]

No one can say when bull run will start but i also think we will have a grow very soon, and maybe we can see a new ATH for bitcoin in 1-2 months. I will stil hold my coins and wait for a bigger price than before, and get a nice profit.

New ATH in 1-2 months? Are you serious about this? I think your words are too excessive, within 2 months the price of bitcoin can reach a price of $ 10k in my opinion has been very extraordinary.

[Oceat]

What would the stock market do in crypto to have a bull run? It doesn't make sense to me since they are both different assets in the market. And I don't think the bull market is starting already, most of us crypto enthusiast can't feel it yet. Except for the up and down of the price in the market which is really too fast when it is moving.

If ever we break another resistance here, I think that's the one that would start a bull run but it is too early to say this.