Preventing Signature Spammers and Increasing Quality of Discussion

[mikeywith]

This would only work if campaign managers were going through everybody's posts and checking what threads they've posted in and discounting the ones with no signature displayed. For most spam campaigns they won't be doing any thorough checking and as long as they've made the posts then they'll get their share. 99% of campaigns don't care what you post or where, especially the problem ones, hence this would do largely nothing about spam other than at best move spam into other threads that aren't 'de-sigged', and there are plenty of those about.

why would campaign managers care about what you post anyway? I am pretty sure a campaign managers will be more pleased with a shit-post that gets more views than a very helpful and technical post that only a few people read.

that's the point of any ad campaign > more views.

[TryNinja]

why would campaign managers care about what you post anyway? I am pretty sure a campaign managers will be more pleased with a shit-post that gets more views than a very helpful and technical post that only a few people read.

that's the point of any ad campaign > more views.

Wrong. Take a look at the Bitcoin Discussion board. Do you think any of those ads are being seen? All those spammers do is go from thread to thread posting some generic redundant bullshit, making 30 pages of non sense posts which will quickly be buried by other spammers in a few minutes. No one is seeing those ads.

Now, let's go to a thread where a legit user is trying to get some help. You will help him, he will read your post and see the ad. He may even visit the website because you helped him, so you must be a legit guy. But at the end, it was a legit user who saw the ad, and not a random spammer who is only here to make a few bucks.

[squatter]

When creating thread, another additional option should be available and that should be something like; No Signature

What this feature will do?

If someone replies to a thread, his/her signature will not show up. Basically it will be empty.

Which, as signature spammers slowly realize that their effort to spam certain threads is not working, they will put their focus on other threads they can spam and this will create space for quality discussion at certain subs/threads.

You can make your own self-moderated threads where you delete posts made by spammers. They won't bother posting if you make it clear you'll delete their posts and you actually follow through.

Theymos already added two boards that are signature-free -- Ivory Tower and Serious discussion. As you'll find out, they aren't very active. Take from that what you will.

If you're into price speculation, the Wall Observer thread hides signatures and moves really fast.

I think it's the shitcoin/token-paying campaigns and their managers that are the problem, because it's pretty clear that most of them couldn't care less about post quality.

I think so too.

[mikeywith]

why would campaign managers care about what you post anyway? I am pretty sure a campaign managers will be more pleased with a shit-post that gets more views than a very helpful and technical post that only a few people read.

that's the point of any ad campaign > more views.

Wrong. Take a look at the Bitcoin Discussion board. Do you think any of those ads are being seen? All those spammers do is go from thread to thread posting some generic redundant bullshit, making 30 pages of non sense posts which will quickly be buried by other spammers in a few minutes. No one is seeing those ads.

Now, let's go to a thread where a legit user is trying to get some help. You will help him, he will read your post and see the ad. He may even visit the website because you helped him, so you must be a legit guy. But at the end, it was a legit user who saw the ad, and not a random spammer who is only here to make a few bucks.

you do realize that these are not targeted advertising, the quantity beats the quality. this applies to every ad campaign on planet earth. do you think people who pay millions  of $ on TV ads are stupid ? knowing  that the majority of people never watch their ads by either going to the toilet, going to the kitchen to grab more popcorn or simply looking for another channel until the movie starts again?

same shit applies to this forum ads, just be on as many places as possible, the legit posts you were talking about are very limited. if we would to assume that 90% of the posts on this forum come from shit-posters then that is the place you should target, because the a few geeks on the say the bitcoin technical support will probably not even bother reading your ads and even if they all did, it's nothing compared to the accessibility of the average and shit posters else where. 1% of the shit-posts audience ,is larger in number than the 100% of quality posts audience.

what you suggesting is very similar to you going next to the river to sell a few bottles of mineral water, in ad campaigns it is always cheaper and more profitable to target the masses and go by the saying of " quantity beats quality".

[TryNinja]

you do realize that these are not targeted advertising, the quantity beats the quality. this applies to every ad campaign on planet earth. do you think people who pay millions  of $ on TV ads are stupid ? knowing  that the majority of people never watch their ads by either going to the toilet, going to the kitchen to grab more popcorn or simply looking for another channel until the movie starts again?

same shit applies to this forum ads, just be on as many places as possible, the legit posts you were talking about are very limited. if we would to assume that 90% of the posts on this forum come from shit-posters then that is the place you should target, because the a few geeks on the say the bitcoin technical support will probably not even bother reading your ads and even if they all did, it's nothing compared to the accessibility of the average and shit posters else where. 1% of the shit-posts audience ,is larger in number than the 100% of quality posts audience.

what you suggesting is very similar to you going next to the river to sell a few bottles of mineral water, in ad campaigns it is always cheaper and more profitable to target the masses and go by the saying of " quantity beats quality".

Again, quantity doesn't matter when we are talking about 25-50 posts buried in spam mega threads. I'm pretty sure that it's safe to say that 99% of those posts in spam mega threads will only be seen by 3-10 people until there are enough posts to go make a new page. Why don't you go check yourself and compare the timestamp of the posts? Just pick a random spam mega thread in the Bitcoin Discussion board.

I'm also 100% sure that there is more audience in those HQ posts made in productive threads than the average shitpost. That's why my current signature campaign (which is the most paying one in the forum) is quite hard to get into (the manager doesn't accept the regular spammer and there are plenty of HQ posters trying to get in but can't because of the limited slots).

BTW, the ads are already targeted because we are in a Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency forum.

[mikeywith]

Again, quantity doesn't matter when we are talking about 25-50 posts buried in spam mega threads. I'm pretty sure that it's safe to say that 99% of those posts in spam mega threads will only be seen by 3-10 people until there are enough posts to go make a new page. Why don't you go check yourself and compare the timestamp of the posts? Just pick a random spam mega thread in the Bitcoin Discussion board.

I'm also 100% sure that there is more audience in those HQ posts made in productive threads than the average shitpost. That's why my current signature campaign (which is the most paying one in the forum) is quite hard to get into (the manager doesn't accept the regular spammer and there are plenty of HQ posters trying to get in but can't because of the limited slots).

BTW, the ads are already targeted because we are in a Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency forum.

are you implying that the majority of the campaign managers do not know their jobs? if this is correct and they have not been getting enough audience then they you have forced some rules and went through every post just like your ad campaign ! , but the fact that they still operate on a daily bases, it only means it's pretty much working for the majority of them.

your case is very different, you are advertising a mixing service, which only a very  few people know about, so it has to be in the high quality area where people actually know what mixing is. the ICO bullshit on the other hand needs to be in other places, noobs who come here to get a lambo next month are the targeted people for the majority of the the ICO / Gambling  " which represent the majority of the ads anyway".

if you were advertising a shit ICO who would you want to read it? theymos or the newbie who joined last night?

I know what you are trying to imply, but this really is not the case here. you are over thinking, you missing the point that in the shit posts sections there are a lot of real noobs who come here looking for the perfect ICO or gambling site and not just a bunch of spammers or bots. and the ads have been working and that's the reason why they are still there. once they stop, then your point is valid.