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January 06, 2019, 02:15:34 AM
Last edit: January 06, 2019, 03:30:18 AM by franky1
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Segwit adoption near 50%: https://transactionfee.info/charts/payments/segwit ( full SegWit adoption will bring blocks up to 2-4 mb range ?)

even if every address input and output was segwit. it would still be around 2mb
(what devs are not saying loudly, is they want/need the other ~2mb spare average so that they can fit in future bloat features into the weight.. such as confidential payment codes)
but forget weight what really actually matters is transactions per day

what really needs to be pushed is transactions per day ON the bitcoin network.
Visa statistics has people only doing 42~ tx a month = 1.5~ a day.

things like LN are for the NICHE of spammers that want to do more then that. but for average joe who only spend infrequently LN is more hassle than help.
having a ~600k a day implied limit thats been around since a 9 years ago. and no real innovation to allow that limit to expand in 9 years.. has been the big debate for many years.

these 'tweaks' and new tx formats have pushed up the bloat per TX (leading to less lean transactions)
these 'tweaks' and new tx formats have just been a plan to push people off network
all with the false/myths that bitcoin and blockchain will fail to deliver

as for the link indicating segwit is at 50%. its not
some of those spent UTXO's classed as segwit are actually legacy

"A transaction that spends one or more SegWit outputs is considered a SegWit-transaction"
meaning
"A transaction that spends one or more legacy outputs is considered a legacy-transaction" too
yet thats not how the stats rightfully show

its not showing how many segwit outputs. its showing how many transactions that they biasedly describe as a segwit simply because 1 spent UTXO is segwit

....
lets put it into prospective
Bech32: https://p2sh.info/dashboard/db/bech32-statistics?panelId=3&fullscreen&orgId=1  (130k)
P2Wsh: https://p2sh.info/dashboard/db/p2wsh-statistics?panelId=3&fullscreen&orgId=1 (32k)
P2wpk: https://p2sh.info/dashboard/db/p2wpkh-statistics?panelId=3&fullscreen&orgId=1 (100k)

p2sh: https://p2sh.info/dashboard/db/p2sh-statistics?panelId=3&fullscreen&orgId=1 (6.1M)
p2pkh: https://p2sh.info/dashboard/db/pay-to-pubkey-hash-statistics?panelId=3&fullscreen&orgId=1 (42M)

as you can see not many actual addresses are actually segwit based compared to legacy

and going by the all time average of 52m UTXO.. its not even 1% adoption let alone 50%

no wonder the 'fundementals' are becoming weaker
people are over promising and over promoting

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January 06, 2019, 02:38:53 AM
Last edit: January 06, 2019, 03:31:57 AM by franky1
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fundementals
like bitcoins original ethos
    was:
       'own your own funds'
    now:
       custodial
          exchanges
          LN vaults
          sidechain vaults

the notion of custodial exchanges isn't new at all. mt gox was used as a massive online wallet back in 2010-2014. exchanges were exit scamming left and right back in those days. you also know damn well that LN and sidechain contracts do not involve 3rd party custody. Roll Eyes

   was:
       'open barrierless'
    now:
       increased fee's barriers some users
       transaction per block limits
       preference to divert transactions off bitcoin

remind me, when were cheap/free transactions ever part of the design?

hal finney cogently pointed out the scaling shortcomings very early on, though we now know he could have been more imaginative than "bitcoin banks":

Bitcoin itself cannot scale to have every single financial transaction in the world be broadcast to everyone and included in the block chain. There needs to be a secondary level of payment systems which is lighter weight and more efficient. Likewise, the time needed for Bitcoin transactions to finalize will be impractical for medium to large value purchases.

   was:
       'electronic cash'(medium of exchange)
    now:
       'store of value'
       other pegged networks/services to handle 'medium of exchange'
       bloated transactions for smart features that are not simple plain 'cash transfer' concept
       preference to divert 'cash' transactions off bitcoin network

was "money". still "money".

1. proof of key - be your own bank....   LN = not your own bank but need to ask someone else to be online and permit the transaction.. LEARN CO-SIGNED addresses .. they are called multisig for a reason
thats not sole party....
then get out of 2016, learn LN 2018. learn factories and then realise that 2nd party has flaws. and so now they are doing 3rd party(factory)
atleast keep yourself uptodate

2. using the "every transactions of the world" argument.
i laugh
im a huge bitcoiner and i havnt needed to touch my FIAT ATM card much since 2012. most my bills are paid using btc direct.
but guess what i dont need to make every product/item i buy appear as a bitcoin transaction even when paying btc

i do laugh at the excuse to push people off the bitcoin network and lock up their funds as the "cant buy coffee"
funnily i can buy coffee and without using my FIAT visa card, by spending my btc without LN and without spamming the network with every spoon of sugar and every drop of milk

and to add to that bitcoin will not be a "one world currency for everyone"
which is th other lame excuse to push people off bitcoin by saying that bitcoin wont work for 7 billion peoples every tin of baked beans so lets not make it work for rational spending of less people

so pull your excuses that bitcoin cant work out ur ass and actually start thinking it doesnt need to perform a transaction per tin of baked beans. instead people just pay for a week of groceries as 1tx
EG if you put 50 items into a grocery shopping cart. and go to the grocery cashier desk...
you dont then make 50 hand-over payments of dimes/pennies per item
you dont then have 50 items on your Visa card statement.

instead you make 1 handover of banknotes
it just shows as a single payment on your visa statement

if i want starbucks i dont need to:
preplan spending habits of 2weeks-2months
lock funds up for 2weeks-2 months with a co-signing partner
hope the co-signing partner is online when i am at starbucks
hope the co-signing partner has funds in his other channel to route on
hope the co-signing partners.. partner is online
hope the co-signing partners.. partner has funds to route on
split funds into multiple channels if a co-signer/routes multiple co-signers cause issues

no wonder the 'fundementals' are becoming weaker
people are over promising and over promoting OTHER NETWORKS as the solution. while trying to say bitcoin cant do x/y/x by over exaggerating rational use

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January 06, 2019, 03:35:00 AM
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Well, apparently for last two weeks conditions are not very encouraging for even bitcoin fundamentals.

Read here: https://coingape.com/bitcoin-fundamentals-stronger-weaker-huobi-weekly-report/

The thing is that I have been expecting this kind of situation for the whole cryptocurrency market. We have to admit it that things are getting boring with this space for the past many months and the change of year is not doing anything to reverse this trend. We are expecting and hoping for some catalysts or development that can be helping the marketplace get exciting again and so far nothing is showing on the horizon. We are just hoping that 2019 can be slightly different than 2018 otherwise the short-term prospects of the market may not be that so glowing.
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January 06, 2019, 09:07:12 AM
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Well, apparently for last two weeks conditions are not very encouraging for even bitcoin fundamentals.

Read here: https://coingape.com/bitcoin-fundamentals-stronger-weaker-huobi-weekly-report/

Bitcoin value of price is still weak but popularity is only fundamental for Bitcoin being strong and still stand despite of all negative result for the whole year from 2017 to 2018.

Lot's of people taking advantage what price of bitcoin right now so its fundamental if you see that we have a strong investors that still buying bitcoin until now.
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February 04, 2019, 11:44:57 AM
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Now they are clearly becoming weaker, the market is distressing for its performance. And this is influenced by many factors, ranging from human to technical and the influence of the country and the rulers.
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February 04, 2019, 12:32:44 PM
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Well, apparently for last two weeks conditions are not very encouraging for even bitcoin fundamentals.

Read here: https://coingape.com/bitcoin-fundamentals-stronger-weaker-huobi-weekly-report/

Bitcoin value of price is still weak but popularity is only fundamental for Bitcoin being strong and still stand despite of all negative result for the whole year from 2017 to 2018.

Lot's of people taking advantage what price of bitcoin right now so its fundamental if you see that we have a strong investors that still buying bitcoin until now.
I think the weakening of prices cannot be interpreted that bitcoin is getting weaker, I think the strength of bitcoin is seen from their
development and existing adoption? adoption and development may continue to advance, but prices can fall at any time right?
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February 04, 2019, 01:11:39 PM
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No one can come to a conclusion that bitcoin fundamentals are getting weaker by looking at its current low price and that is the main topic most talk to convince others that it is on its path to die but the truth is it is getting stronger when considering the adoption rate so even its price is lower when considering its past bitcoin has able to spread across the world financial systems which is a positive fact to understand that it is progressing

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February 04, 2019, 09:30:19 PM
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I think the weakening of prices cannot be interpreted that bitcoin is getting weaker, I think the strength of bitcoin is seen from their
development and existing adoption? adoption and development may continue to advance, but prices can fall at any time right?
I do not think Bitcoin's strength should be evaluated by its price. Because the price is necessary for people to trade and we cannot say that it can be useful for development. But in my respects, Bitcoin has been evolving in its expansion and adoption, and this is proof that it has been getting stronger as time goes by.
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February 04, 2019, 10:25:51 PM
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That's to be expected. Many came to the market after its rapid growth. Accordingly, now many of these people are beginning to leave. Well, it is also very difficult to attract new people by such market conditions. But it seems to me that crypto has ceased to react to the news. So that doesn't mean it's bad.

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February 04, 2019, 10:38:32 PM
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I think the weakening of prices cannot be interpreted that bitcoin is getting weaker, I think the strength of bitcoin is seen from their
development and existing adoption? adoption and development may continue to advance, but prices can fall at any time right?
I do not think Bitcoin's strength should be evaluated by its price. Because the price is necessary for people to trade and we cannot say that it can be useful for development. But in my respects, Bitcoin has been evolving in its expansion and adoption, and this is proof that it has been getting stronger as time goes by.

I do agree with that. Bitcoin adoption is getting stronger everyday even we are still in the bearish market. With the introduction of so many blockchain projects, no wonder many people are starting to realize the benefits of integrating the blockchain in every business.
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February 08, 2019, 05:57:36 AM
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Well, apparently for last two weeks conditions are not very encouraging for even bitcoin fundamentals.

Read here: https://coingape.com/bitcoin-fundamentals-stronger-weaker-huobi-weekly-report/


Last year, very good news, but the price continued to fall. I think the Bitcoin price has nothing to do with these arguments. Let's wait a bit more.
I don't believe last year there is high impact fundamental news that was positive enough to push the price upward as we aware of two likely fundamentals this bakkt and SEC ETF are the only two that can make meaningful impact this year if approved else the bearish runs continues to lingers on.
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February 08, 2019, 06:53:37 AM
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The fundamentals at this time tend to weaken many people, the loss of interest in selling and buying in all existing markets, does not mean that all large markets do not have a prolonged aspect in the future, of course all of this is the game of all global elite elites who have more knowledge about aspects bitcoin itself, actually this will be their initial capital to supply as much bitcoin as possible, because they know better and understand the problem of price trends in all markets ...

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