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January 18, 2019, 10:31:31 AM
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....I've read Adam Smith, it's the equivalent of Socrate's science books. Interesting considering the date it was written but obvious bullshit ...

Really? Is that your opinion of Smith's analysis of the way a culture valued the "jack of all trades" held that society back, as opposed to industrial and trade specialization? (reference first 20pp).

Or alternately, maybe you haven't read it. Or perhaps you got choice-fed morsels from socialists...



Well reading you it would seem I indeed haven't read An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations... I have no idea what you're talking about, but maybe it's due to translation? I have to confess I never read Smith in English as his work is famous enough to get fully translated. I don't understand the expression "jack of all trades".

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January 19, 2019, 01:10:25 AM
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....I've read Adam Smith, it's the equivalent of Socrate's science books. Interesting considering the date it was written but obvious bullshit ...

Really? Is that your opinion of Smith's analysis of the way a culture valued the "jack of all trades" held that society back, as opposed to industrial and trade specialization? (reference first 20pp).

Or alternately, maybe you haven't read it. Or perhaps you got choice-fed morsels from socialists...



Well reading you it would seem I indeed haven't read An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations... I have no idea what you're talking about, but maybe it's due to translation? I have to confess I never read Smith in English as his work is famous enough to get fully translated. I don't understand the expression "jack of all trades".

"Jack of all trades" is pretty archaic in English today. It refers to a sort of "handyman," but in pre-industrial ages.

https://ibiblio.org/ml/libri/s/SmithA_WealthNations_p.pdf

pp.8 on to 15-20 explains it very well.

Smith pretty much (and correctly) defines the development of "Industrialization" as the development of work specialization to the task level.

On example he uses is a general iron smith might make 200-300 nails a day, but a smith that did nothing but nails would do 800-1000, and often 2000-2500.

It's simply not possible to characterize such ideas as bullshit.
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January 21, 2019, 09:39:20 AM
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It's simply not possible to characterize such ideas as bullshit.

Well, yes it is ^^

First of all: the global book is bullshit. It doesn't mean there is NOTHING of value in it at all. Of course there a few ideas worth thinking about.

It's exactly like Marx's Das Kapital but in worse. None of Marx or Smith foresaw the revolution we would get thanks to technology but at least Marx thinking was relevant from his point of view. Smith is just an oversimplification of real world resulting in a reasonning so simple it just cannot be true. Hence global bullshit, exactly like Aristote.

Second: Jack of all trades isn't one of them.

The idea of Jack of all trades is more or less stupid:
-It forgets all the good aspects of preventing intense specialization
-It greatly underestimate the ability of important capital to highjack a whole part of an industry hence the power a small number of people can have, limiting his ideal of "fair competition"
-It just doesn't take advertisement into account

I would gladly discuss Smith theories but shouldn't we make a dedicated thread? seems to go a lot of topic compared to original subject.

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January 21, 2019, 04:41:45 PM
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It's simply not possible to characterize such ideas as bullshit.

Well, yes it is ^^

First of all: the global book is bullshit. It doesn't mean there is NOTHING of value in it at all. Of course there a few ideas worth thinking about.

It's exactly like Marx's Das Kapital but in worse. None of Marx or Smith foresaw the revolution we would get thanks to technology but at least Marx thinking was relevant from his point of view. Smith is just an oversimplification of real world resulting in a reasonning so simple it just cannot be true. Hence global bullshit, exactly like Aristote.

Second: Jack of all trades isn't one of them.

The idea of Jack of all trades is more or less stupid:
-It forgets all the good aspects of preventing intense specialization
-It greatly underestimate the ability of important capital to highjack a whole part of an industry hence the power a small number of people can have, limiting his ideal of "fair competition"
-It just doesn't take advertisement into account

I would gladly discuss Smith theories but shouldn't we make a dedicated thread? seems to go a lot of topic compared to original subject.
Well, so far you've categorized three of the "Great Books of the Western World" as bullshit - Aristotle, Marx, and Smith. Moving right along aren't we?
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RE "Jack of all trades is more or less stupid"...

Here is a current day discussion of "mass production."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_production

Mass production is a diverse field, but it can generally be contrasted with craft production or distributed manufacturing. Some mass production techniques, such as standardized sizes and production lines, predate the Industrial Revolution by many centuries; however, it was not until the introduction of machine tools and techniques to produce interchangeable parts were developed in the mid 19th century that modern mass production was possible.[2]

Smith's treatise, look at the date. It is the initial comprehensive study of what was then emergent as the industrial revolution.

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January 21, 2019, 08:20:52 PM
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We've got a bit far from the subject from here... I'll change a bit the title.

Edit: but please go on
Edit2: and anyone can continue with the original subject
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