Mikeywith abused his trust system.

[Soha 1]

After throughly explaining him the situation I had encountered with my hacked account , with the mail I had sent to get it unlocked, he still claimed I did it deliberately to pursue evil against other people stating hacker would indeed scam with my account. When I told him he got it locked. And that I had never recieved any complaints.

I'd appreciate some help here as to solve this.


He then pmd me stating he had left me negative trust cause I had failed to post with my locked account that I was moving thread? Like seriously, what the hell?

My discussion and his can be found here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098397.msg49302158#msg49302158

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093954.msg49302040#msg49302040


Exact pm I recieved from him after offering him a vouch copy to proove him wrong ;

I am not interested in your method, find someone who has the time to test it, and give it to them, they have to verify that they tested the method and it worked, this is what a vouch means, it's not my rule, this is common sense.

as far as the red trust i gave you goes, there are 4 reasons why any member would give you a negative trust.

1-you being an asshole and troll when you were being asked simple questions.
2-you faking vouches that are not real vouches, they are only trusted vouches according to you.
3-your proof that you are the real Soha was only confirmed by red trust account which is not solid enough.
4- you claim your account was hacked, yet you didn't bother to warn others, probably some people got scammed and u never bothered warning them until i asked you, which only makes me think you planned to use that account scam others and then re-claim it CLEAN saying you "told us" /b].

 i am still not tagging you for the vouch thing yet[2], i do not have a proof that you are not the real soha[3], and i do not care if you are rude and an asshole[1], my negative feedback to you was only based on No [4].


Pic of PM ; https://imgur.com/a/AkavmrU

[suchmoon]

Did malevolent really vouch for your "method"?

[Soha 1]

Did malevolent really vouch for your "method"?

You can ask him, he has my copy on telegram. He was away for 2 weeks and he contacted me today saying he was busy irl but he'd be reviewing it soon.

[mikeywith]

After throughly explaining him the situation I had encountered with my hacked account

i asked you a simple question, if your account got hacked, why haven't you stated so in the original thread to warn others ? and this was your answer

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093954.msg49301960#msg49301960

He then pmd me stating he had left me negative trust cause I had failed to post with my locked account that I was moving thread? Like seriously, what the hell?

wrong , I did not send you a pm, you did , i was just nice enough to respond to you.

You do not own this fórum, so rules are not stated by you, so if I don't want to do something I simply don't unless, you are a dictator.
About vouches, it doesnt require you to try something to verify it Works, hence 3 of the vouches are trusted, I can agree one might not be anymore due to it being a negative one after theymos changes to default trust systems. But it used to be Green trust user.
And I can also agree Malevolents is missing, but hopefuly he'll add soon.
But you don't seem to be a very much active person in this fórum, he had't been on for 2 weeks almost, he messeged me today coincidentaly saying he'd review it soon.

Thanks. And if you happen to be interested , let me know.

Edit; Willing to give you a vouch copy to proove you wrong

^^this was your message after the tag.

Exact pm I recieved from him after offering him a vouch copy to proove him wrong ;

I am not interested in your method, find someone who has the time to test it, and give it to them, they have to verify that they tested the method and it worked, this is what a vouch means, it's not my rule, this is common sense.

as far as the red trust i gave you goes, there are 4 reasons why any member would give you a negative trust.

1-you being an asshole and troll when you were being asked simple questions.
2-you faking vouches that are not real vouches, they are only trusted vouches according to you.
3-your proof that you are the real Soha was only confirmed by red trust account which is not solid enough.
4- you claim your account was hacked, yet you didn't bother to warn others, probably some people got scammed and u never bothered warning them until i asked you, which only makes me think you planned to use that account scam others and then re-claim it CLEAN saying you "told us" /b].

 i am still not tagging you for the vouch thing yet[2], i do not have a proof that you are not the real soha[3], and i do not care if you are rude and an asshole[1], my negative feedback to you was only based on No [4].

i confirm the above message .

 it's funny how you edited your posts now, when i was asking you a simple question, you were accusing me for spamming and wanting to get more post count, and that you will do as you please, indirectly stating that you do not care about your previous account being used to scam other which was my initial concern, i wasted a good amount of my time giving you the chance to explain a simple matter but you chose to be rude and ignore my question, that was certainly not the reason for the tag as i stated previously, i don't care how much of an asshole you are, it's just the likely-hood of attempting to scam that what got me to tag you.

it's also strange that a member who was been here since 2014 > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=400742 does not know how to use the trust system, and give me a  positive retaliatory feedback for giving him a negative one.

[Soha 1]

Ok let me answer all again.

I did state it on my new thread on the prologue you can read, a summary of what had happened. You just werent bothered to look for yourself and started pointing fingers at me.

Yes, ofc I sent you a pm suggesting to give you a vouch copy to proove you wrong and that was the answer I got, the one I posted.

I didnt care to explain you anything because you simply kept asking questions that were already answered, you just were not interested in looking in the thread I was telling you.

About Positive trust I had given you, was just mocking. I had nothing against you, just was not really happy with your course of action with no real reason, and your sudden attacks against me , when all I did was prooving you I was not lieing.

And I was rude? Care to explain how you told me it was a must for me to post on my older thread? Why is it? If i had explained everything on new one. If i don't have Access to Soha  anyomore?

[suchmoon]

Did malevolent really vouch for your "method"?

You can ask him, he has my copy on telegram. He was away for 2 weeks and he contacted me today saying he was busy irl but he'd be reviewing it soon.

I take it as a "no". Did he give permission to use his name to promote your crap?

[Soha 1]

Did malevolent really vouch for your "method"?

You can ask him, he has my copy on telegram. He was away for 2 weeks and he contacted me today saying he was busy irl but he'd be reviewing it soon.

I take it as a "no". Did he give permission to use his name to promote your crap?

Bro I just told you I had pmd him 2 weeks ago if he was interested in reviewing a vouch copy for me, he said yes. So I gave him one via telegram and told me he would. I never said he vouched for it, he never posted on my thread as other members who got vouch copies have, I said I handed it to him. Though today he told me he was busy irl and was gona review very soon

[mikeywith]

Ok let me answer all again.

I did state it on my new thread on the prologue you can read, a summary of what had happened. You just werent bothered to look for yourself and started pointing fingers at me.

ok , so my account gets hacked, i go tell my grandmother about it, then someone uses it to scam people on the forum , when someone get's scammed and blame me , i saw no " i told my grandmother how didn't you know about it" . really ?

the proper thing to do was to post on the original thread,  there is no guarantee anyone was going to see the new thread before the old one , you made a new account, bought a Copper Member, started a new thread, bumped it a few times, even quoted some posts from the original topic , but never bothered to post a warning about the account being hacked ??



  

[Soha 1]

Ok let me answer all again.

I did state it on my new thread on the prologue you can read, a summary of what had happened. You just werent bothered to look for yourself and started pointing fingers at me.

ok , so my account gets hacked, i go tell my grandmother about it, then someone uses it to scam people on the forum , when someone get's scammed and blame me , i saw no " i told my grandmother how didn't you know about it" . really ?

the proper thing to do was to post on the original thread,  there is no guarantee anyone was going to see the new thread before the old one , you made a new account, bought a Copper Member, started a new thread, bumped it a few times, even quoted some posts from the original topic , but never bothered to post a warning about the account being hacked ??



  

Ima quote my opening summary from my new thread on Soha 1  for you,  ;"Had to create a new account since person that hacked my account managed to lock me out of it. He had changed email without me noticing since password was the same all this time  
I am STILL using the same email; skype; telegram as before! Do not fall for people trying to impersonate me.
Old thread before my account got locked; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093954.0
You Will NOT see me online in that account anymore unfortunately nor any bumps there."

This was the first thing I posted on my alt account. Nothing else, so as to warn people as that my account was locked that not to expect any bumps from it or anything until solved hopefuly in future.

There was indeed a guarantee since I had digged old thread. And only one bumepd was new since account was initialy locked.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Did malevolent really vouch for your "method"?

You can ask him, he has my copy on telegram. He was away for 2 weeks and he contacted me today saying he was busy irl but he'd be reviewing it soon.

I don't think you really understand what the word 'vouch' means.  By your words above, there's no way malevolent could have vouched for it since he didn't even review it.  You did claim "trusted vouch" in your thread title:

Soha Money Making Guide (UP TO $185/DAY) - EARN OR REFUND - TRUSTED VOUCHED

I'm assuming you meant TMAN's words about it, because he's the only trusted member who stated that the method could work, but he didn't actually try it out.

[Soha 1]

Did malevolent really vouch for your "method"?

You can ask him, he has my copy on telegram. He was away for 2 weeks and he contacted me today saying he was busy irl but he'd be reviewing it soon.

I don't think you really understand what the word 'vouch' means.  By your words above, there's no way malevolent could have vouched for it since he didn't even review it.  You did claim "trusted vouch" in your thread title:

Soha Money Making Guide (UP TO $185/DAY) - EARN OR REFUND - TRUSTED VOUCHED

I'm assuming you meant TMAN's words about it, because he's the only trusted member who stated that the method could work, but he didn't actually try it out.

Ok so , I gave out 4 copies and 3 were vouched, Tman, g45, and bestweb (was greentrust before dt changes), other is malevolent(pending post of him as i stated on my threads since he hasnt reviewed yet).

here is my pic of my main acc locked so Mickey can see i dont lie

https://imgur.com/a/Bfpkg51

[suchmoon]

Bro I just told you I had pmd him 2 weeks ago if he was interested in reviewing a vouch copy for me, he said yes. So I gave him one via telegram and told me he would. I never said he vouched for it, he never posted on my thread as other members who got vouch copies have, I said I handed it to him. Though today he told me he was busy irl and was gona review very soon

A simple "no" would suffice. I don't believe your story unless malevolent can confirm it.

[mikeywith]

I take it as a "no". Did he give permission to use his name to promote your crap?

this is one part of the b.s vouch story he has, which i did not tag him for YET. he falsely claims that people vouched for his thing when they have not tried it and confirmed it actually works, then he keeps insisting on mentioning malevolent name and making it look like a vouch from him , might as well send a copy to satoshi and say

a vouch copy has been handed out to
satoshi

[Soha 1]

Bro I just told you I had pmd him 2 weeks ago if he was interested in reviewing a vouch copy for me, he said yes. So I gave him one via telegram and told me he would. I never said he vouched for it, he never posted on my thread as other members who got vouch copies have, I said I handed it to him. Though today he told me he was busy irl and was gona review very soon

A simple "no" would suffice. I don't believe your story unless malevolent can confirm it.

Why would I lie about me giving a staff user a vouch copy? I can literaly show you screenshot of my telegram privately if you wish.

[Soha 1]

I take it as a "no". Did he give permission to use his name to promote your crap?

this is one part of the b.s vouch story he has, which i did not tag him for YET. he falsely claims that people vouched for his thing when they have not tried it and confirmed it actually works, then he keeps insisting on mentioning malevolent name and making it look like a vouch from him , might as well send a copy to satoshi and say

a vouch copy has been handed out to
satoshi

Excuse me? Dare to quote me where I said malevolent had vouched for me? Never ever said that, I did though said a vouch copy has been handed to him. Other 3 copies have been also handed and were indeed vouched, like it or not. You don't have to test something to measure its efectiveness. We can argue about bestwebcreator vouch, he was Green trust user at 20 +2/0 when I gave it to him, now he is at negative , so I take your point in that one.

[mikeywith]

The 2 vouch copies have already been handed out.
@malevolent - Staff.

there is nothing to argue about , your method needs to be tested to confirm it's integrity,  did either TMAN or malevolent say yes this method makes you "UP TO $185/DAYa" ?

if not, then that's not  a vouch and you don't have the right to use their names and relate it to the TRUSTED VOUCHED verse of yours.
i am not sure how you define the word vouch.

anyway this was not the reason for the tag, so there is no point discussing it YET.

i personally find you suspicious and scammy to say the least, and the explanation is giving in my feedback to you, but again i am open to other's inputs, maybe someone will "correct" me if i am wrong.

edited : typos

[Soha 1]

The 2 vouch copies have already been handed out.
@malevolent - Staff.

there is nothing to argue about , your method needs to be tested to confirm it's integrity,  did either TMAN say yes this method makes you "UP TO $185/DAYa" ?
i am not sure how you define the word vouch.

anyway this was not the reason for the tag, so there is no point disusing it YET.

i personally find you suspicious and scammy to say the least, and the explanation is giving in my feedback to you, but again i am open to other's inputs, maybe someone will "correct" me if i am wrong.

My method clearly states UP TO 185 usd a day, depending on the person. Of course im not gona go into details with you or anyone who does not have the guide, because that's part of my sale.

Well, lets discuss your negative trust to me, that's my issue here at first. That's why I made this thread as a claim against reputation given to you as DT.

Edit: Come test it yourself , I already offered you..

[Lauda]

This would be the first case of someone getting tagged because they did not report their original account being hacked AFAIK. I'm not sure whether I agree with this.
Also why is the discussion going into the direction of the validity of the method that the user is selling? That's not what the rating is about.

[mikeywith]

This would be the first case of someone getting tagged because they did not report their original account being hacked AFAIK. I'm not sure whether I agree with this.

simply because the account might have not been hacked in the first place , the user wanted to keep it clean to perform whatever scam plans he has in mind,without having to take responsibility for it by saying " i mentioned it on my other thread that was started by me using my new account".

while this may not be the case, i gave him the benefit of the doubt and asked him why, he did not defend himself, he just got into attack-mode and started accusing me of wanting to spam and get post count, if he gave a reasonable answer, things would have been solved by then

Also why is the discussion going into the direction of the validity of the method that the user is selling? That's not what the rating is about.

while it's not the reason for the rating,  it's also not about the validity of his method, it's the term " VOUCH" he uses when not a single trusted member actually vouched for his method. it's misleading to say the least, and some people might find a good reason for a tag.

[Soha 1]

This would be the first case of someone getting tagged because they did not report their original account being hacked AFAIK. I'm not sure whether I agree with this.

simply because the account might have not been hacked in the first place , the user wanted to keep it clean to perform whatever scam plans he has in mind,without having to take responsibility for it by saying " i mentioned it on my other thread that was started by me using my new account".

while this may not be the case, i gave him the benefit of the doubt and asked him why, he did not defend himself, he just got into attack-mode and started accusing me of wanting to spam and get post count, if he gave a reasonable answer, things would have been solved by then

Also why is the discussion going into the direction of the validity of the method that the user is selling? That's not what the rating is about.

while it's not the reason for the rating,  it's also not about the validity of his method, it's the term " VOUCH" he uses when not a single trusted member actually vouched for his method. it's misleading to say the least, and some people might find a good reason for a tag.

About vouches, so we end that subject. Those 3 people did indeed vouch for it. Trying the method or not its up to you, testing the effectiveness can be done without trying it out. I do agree with you about 1 person that is red trust now, but you got to agree with me that he was Green trust use before when i gave him copy.

About account I literaly just sent you screenshot of it being locked? I dont know what else to proove you , I sent my second mail to unlock it just now with help of hhampuz, Will update if i get a reply when mods are able to.

I didnt have anything of the sort in mind, as soon as i got locked out of it, in order to not loose business i made alt and made new thread with summary stating what had happened, and how that account was unaccesable.

I didnt got into attack- mode I just was a bit pissed that you came to my thread stating my vouches were all not trusted , that I was a lier, and that I must do as you said. Yea , you got me pissed. I guess :/

[mikeywith]

About account I literaly just sent you screenshot of it being locked? I dont know what else to proove you

you did not send me anything, when i asked you  the first question related to the account issue this was your reply

I must? I do as I please mate If you interested in guide let me know , if not goodluck

I didnt have anything of the sort in mind, as soon as i got locked out of it, in order to not loose business i made alt and made new thread with summary stating what had happened, and how that account was unaccesable.

yes you worry about your business but not worry about the possibility of others getting scammed

I didnt got into attack- mode I just was a bit pissed that you came to my thread stating my vouches were all not trusted , that I was a lier, and that I must do as you said. Yea , you got me pissed. I guess :/

i simply said

your tittle is misleading, you do not have any trusted vouch.

1 member is not trusted.
1 member did not vouche and said your your method works.
1 member did not even post on the topic.

therefore by saying it's vouched i say you are lying, or simply acting dumb, which does not make much different in this case.

I am giving you 24 hours to edit your tittle, remove the word "vouched" until you get a vouch from a trusted member, or i will have to tag you.

which i still stand by it , can any of the members you mentioned take full responsibility of their "vouch" ? is anyone of them sure that your method will work for the next buyer? if yes, problem solved , if not then i still think you are manipulating people's words making them sound like VOUCHING.

so please get those members to confirm that what they said is actually a vouch  and not just something that you manipulated from an opinion to a vouch in order to sell your method.
 

[Soha 1]

Well you don't seem to read my posts.

Here is the picture again; https://imgur.com/a/Bfpkg51


And why are you deviating subject from the red trust you given me onto my method? Vouches that were given on my thread speak for themselves, you can interpret them as you want. It clearly states you can make the money depending on the person. And again i am NOT going into detail of this with you or anyone who hasnt bought the guide or got a copy.


Can any of them take full responsability? hell no! can even i take responsability? no

If someone buys my guide and does nothing , pretending money is made by itself then yea forget it, that won't happen, they'll make nothing and start complaining. you got to follow guide to make it and earn it. if not it wont happen. does my advertisement lie? no. is my advertisimetn decieveing? no. you just got to follow what i say and things will flow

[BestWebCreator]

Damnit, this user was really hacked and created an new account, as I posted on his thread already. The original owner, who I have had contact with for a few weeks now, has told me this through telegram and I have confirmed it (Soha1 is the old Soha, before his account got hacked).

[mikeywith]

Well you don't seem to read my posts.

Here is the picture again; https://imgur.com/a/Bfpkg51

this is the first time you send me this image, if you posted somewhere else that you expect me to dig for, sorry ain't got time for that.

And why are you deviating subject from the red trust you given me onto my method? Vouches that were given on my thread speak for themselves, you can interpret them as you want. It clearly states you can make the money depending on the person. And again i am NOT going into detail of this with you or anyone who hasnt bought the guide or got a copy.

i am not, i am replying to your posts.
The picture you just sent, is no proof that your account was LOCKED when you made the new account, the date on the image is 18th , your new account was created on the 16th , prove to me that you original account was LOCKED before you created the new one, then my whole argument about you risking other members to get scammed will be invalid as you were certain that nobody could have used your SOHA account to conduct any scam.

i am not sure if there is any public data on when an account was banned, but it's your job to find out. prove it and i'l remove the tag.

but we still have to go through the vouched stuff anyway. so i kindly request from you to reconsider your words, as i still think you are "manipulating opinions to vouches" intentionally or unintentionally doesn't matter.
 
btw, i am going to sleep, sorry for not going to reply you till tomorrow.

[Soha 1]

I literaly sent you that image on this same thread page 1

About that image you are requesting I ahve not saved any from that date, i'll try to get that data from somewhere I dont know how honestly. I mean I clearly stated on my new thread that my other account wouldnt be used to bump since it was locked, nor anything. Though I was keeping same telegram , etc. I don't know how else to proove you. I feel like you are making a big mistake here.

And I consider vouching matter done, unless you got something to proove it otherwise. I am not manipulating opinions From anyone, all I ask from vouchers is to not reveal anything of the method and if they have questions regarding something that i'd answer in case they got something wrong.

[mikeywith]

I literaly sent you that image on this same thread page 1

you have not, quote it , and stop editing your posts.

anyway, stop wasting my time and yours, get the proof and the tag will be removed.

And I consider vouching matter done, unless you got something to proove it otherwise.

it's not done on my side, until a trusted user confirms the method worked , you will probably need to start another thread about me abusing the trust system again.

vouch
/vaʊtʃ
verb
assert or confirm as a result of one's own experience that something is true or accurately so described.

non of your currently alleged vouches qualify as a vouch , unless you mean another word, then you have to use that word.

good night.

[Soha 1]

Did malevolent really vouch for your "method"?

You can ask him, he has my copy on telegram. He was away for 2 weeks and he contacted me today saying he was busy irl but he'd be reviewing it soon.

I don't think you really understand what the word 'vouch' means.  By your words above, there's no way malevolent could have vouched for it since he didn't even review it.  You did claim "trusted vouch" in your thread title:

Soha Money Making Guide (UP TO $185/DAY) - EARN OR REFUND - TRUSTED VOUCHED

I'm assuming you meant TMAN's words about it, because he's the only trusted member who stated that the method could work, but he didn't actually try it out.

Ok so , I gave out 4 copies and 3 were vouched, Tman, g45, and bestweb (was greentrust before dt changes), other is malevolent(pending post of him as i stated on my threads since he hasnt reviewed yet).

here is my pic of my main acc locked so Mickey can see i dont lie

https://imgur.com/a/Bfpkg51

Here's the quote.

I don't know how to get the proof, you can ask Hhampuz that I told him I had been hacked and had no Access to account or I even think Tman, I told him.

About the method , I'm done discussing about it, It's already prooved on vouches, or opinions call them as you please.

Again, I AM offering you a FREE vouch copy for you to try oit out yourself and proove me wrong. If you proove me wrong, I'll never sell a copy again.

[suchmoon]

Here's the quote.

That post was edited right before you said "here's the quote".

[Soha 1]

Here's the quote.

That post was edited right before you said "here's the quote".

The original quote post was never edited, what do you mean?

Edit: My bad it was edited same time, but i had actualy posted the link first time , if any mod can verify that they can see it. Sorry if it could of cause inconvenience.

[TMAN]

did either TMAN or malevolent say yes this method makes you "UP TO $185/DAYa" ?

OK PM'd me asking for a vouch, I figured I would help the kid out.  He sent me a doc that outlined his "method" and it took me less than 3 mins to see that it would work, seriously anyone looking at it would say the same. Is it unique? no - is it cleaver ? - no.  is it worth the money he is selling it for? yes to his target audience - no to anyone in this thread. Is the kid super keen ? I think so.  its a buy low sell higher strategy with fluid markets for both the buy and the sell - far too much effort for me though.

He then messaged me a few days later about the account being hacked, I tagged it and told him to read meta, then he messaged me again asking about his account (I didn't sign up for this shit!)

before the  1st PM I had no interaction with the kid, I cant comment on him being trustworthy or anything else.

That's all I am saying on this, Mikey is a reasonable bloke and i'm not getting in the middle here.

[Soha 1]

Thank you tman for commenting on the thread, I never realy want this to become a troublesome subject. I offer my guide, I offered to few trusted people to see what they think of. I got nothing against Mike, I just don't see why he pointed fingers against me like this.

Thanks for posting on thread anyways, and again sorry you had to encounter this situation.

[suchmoon]

Thank you tman for commenting on the thread, I never realy want this to become a troublesome subject. I offer my guide, I offered to few trusted people to see what they think of. I got nothing against Mike, I just don't see why he pointed fingers against me like this.

Thanks for posting on thread anyways, and again sorry you had to encounter this situation.

Here's the deal: get malevolent to comment on this publicly and if he confirms your story (even if it's just a short "yes") I'll believe that you're more or less an ok user just a bit too eager at times as TMAN said. I just have a hard time believing that a moderator would be getting involved into vouching for this kind of crap but I don't really know him so...

If that doesn't happen in a reasonable amount of time (a week?) I'll add another red trust for you. I don't want to pile on right now because you got the one neg countered so obviously someone thinks you're ok.

[Soha 1]

Thank you tman for commenting on the thread, I never realy want this to become a troublesome subject. I offer my guide, I offered to few trusted people to see what they think of. I got nothing against Mike, I just don't see why he pointed fingers against me like this.

Thanks for posting on thread anyways, and again sorry you had to encounter this situation.

Here's the deal: get malevolent to comment on this publicly and if he confirms your story (even if it's just a short "yes") I'll believe that you're more or less an ok user just a bit too eager at times as TMAN said. I just have a hard time believing that a moderator would be getting involved into vouching for this kind of crap but I don't really know him so...

If that doesn't happen in a reasonable amount of time (a week?) I'll add another red trust for you. I don't want to pile on right now because you got the one neg countered so obviously someone thinks you're ok.

Contact me via telegram, I'll privately show you my conversation with malevolent. And again I never said he vouched for it, I said I handed a vouch copy to him, in which he'll review as he promised me very soon.

I Will not make malevolent comment here, as I never ever requested him to do that. He'll review when he has time. As tman said, people I gave vouch copy to did not sign up for people like you or Mike question things they said, or even I quote about them.

If you do not believe me, feel free to shoot a pm to malevolent now, or talk to him via telegram

And check malevolents latest online time at least, he's been very busy IRL as he told me.

Any why are you commenting on this if you think its crap?

This is what I sell, and I dont reckon it as crap. If you do, then you have no need to read about it.

[suchmoon]

~

I don't do telegram and stop twisting my words. You're the one putting a name of a staff member in your sales post. That's shady at best, even if your story is true. It's in your best interest to prove it.

[mikeywith]

I Will not make malevolent comment here, as I never ever requested him to do that.

then what is the point of giving him a vouch copy if you can't get him to comment on your thread? this is as stupid as giving satoshi or theymos a vouch copy knowing they will never review it and still use their name as a marketing tool in your thread. even TMAN was very careful with his words , never ever said he vouched for your method, yet you still insist on using his name as a vouched member.

as told you in the pm ,i am still waiting for a mod to confirm the ban date, likely i'l remove the current negative, but i  might "very likely" still tag you for manipulating the vouching story.

i am more flexible than suchmoon, you don't have to get malevolent to comment on your thread, removing his name from your thread, as well as taking TMAN permission to use his name as a "TURSTED VOUCH" will suffice, if TMAN says no , they you need to get rid of his name on your thread along side with malevolent.

[Soha 1]

You don't do telegram? Then it's not my fault, you're asking me to proove you something, I am more than happy to do so.

If you don't want to do telegram still, just drop him a pm and ask him; Hey malev, have you actualy recieved a vouch copy for Sohas money making method? Cheers .

And mikey, can you please read? Do you understand english? Not trying to be mean or anything. I said I am not going to ask malevolent to post here, on THIS thread, this is not what this guys signed for as tman said. Though malevolent is going to post his review when he has enough time to do so on my sales thread.

Simple as that.


About mikey, I told you I have not taken a freaking screenshot when my account got locked. You are just going around the Bush with nonsense.

About vouches, method IS vouched by the people that got copies. Like it or not, my offer to give you one for free to proove you wrong has gone to waste, since you keep doing nothing but wasting my and your time. If you want to buy the guide , feel free to.

You only caused trouble to people, by making Tman, ghcoins45, and bestwebcreator come forward again to vouch for methods efectiveness.


You keep going around the Bush with same stuff, god sake. I never said Malevolent vouched for it! I said I gave him  a vouch copy and I am indeed waiting for his review. Now, Tman clearly stated his opinion on my thread, and had to do it again here due to your blatant requests.

Added second quote from TMAN

OK PM'd me asking for a vouch, I figured I would help the kid out.  He sent me a doc that outlined his "method" and it took me less than 3 mins to see that it would work, seriously anyone looking at it would say the same. Is it unique? no - is it cleaver ? - no.  is it worth the money he is selling it for? yes to his target audience - no to anyone in this thread. Is the kid super keen ? I think so.  its a buy low sell higher strategy with fluid markets for both the buy and the sell - far too much effort for me though.

Added second quote from GHCoins45

Hey, the method is ok man, it's working, it is nothing new, other people are using the same method and are making money (why would they use it if they don't make money, right?)

[suchmoon]

I said I am not going to ask malevolent to post here, on THIS thread

I doesn't have to be this thread, although honestly what's the difference? You're asking him to vouch for your thing but you can't ask him to post a short "yes, soha is not full of shit"?

Anyway, get me any confirmation - this thread or in your sale thread or via PM - from malevolent that you indeed had all these communications with him exactly the way you described it and that he's ok with you using his name before the vouch was actually given.

And no, I'm not doing that for you. You're making the claim and it takes just a few seconds for you to prove it since you're already in communication with malevolent. Just do it.

[Soha 1]

I said I am not going to ask malevolent to post here, on THIS thread

I doesn't have to be this thread, although honestly what's the difference? You're asking him to vouch for your thing but you can't ask him to post a short "yes, soha is not full of shit"?

Anyway, get me any confirmation - this thread or in your sale thread or via PM - from malevolent that you indeed had all these communications with him exactly the way you described it and that he's ok with you using his name before the vouch was actually given.

And no, I'm not doing that for you. You're making the claim and it takes just a few seconds for you to prove it since you're already in communication with malevolent. Just do it.

The pms I sent to him are locked on my main account, and I Will not give you out his telegram, I dont know if he wants it given out just like that.


Can't you see he hasnt been on for 2 weeks on bitcointalk? Since january 7th? When he has his time he'll review my guide and post on MY thread. If you can not wait, then just pm him, and when he's back online, he'll reply to you. Using his name? I litearly just said I gave a vouch copy to him, thats about it. Nothing wrong with that.
All you are doing is twisting my words here.

[mikeywith]

malevolent name should not be in your topic at all until he does vouch, what is the point of telling everyone that you sent him a vouch copy? how is that different from sending a pm to theymos asking him to vouch for you and then use his name somewhere somehow as marketing method to sell your stuff ? we are not asking the impossible from you here, we are asking you to be reasonable, yet you insist in doing things the way you see fit, you have the right to do so, as so does everybody who finds your vouching shit manipulated and decides to tag you for it.

as far as the rating goes,I said I am still investigating this by myself( waiting for a mod to confirm the block/ban exact time), once i confirm your claims i will take actions. this attitude will not help you speed up any process, you are making things worse for yourself by being an asshole.

[Soha 1]

malevolent name should not be in your topic at all until he does vouch, what is the point of telling everyone that you sent him a vouch copy? how is that different from sending a pm to theymos asking him to vouch for you and then use his name somewhere somehow as marketing method to sell your stuff ? we are not asking the impossible from you here, we are asking you to be reasonable, yet you insist in doing things the way you see fit, you have the right to do so, as so does everybody who finds your vouching shit manipulated and decides to tag you for it.

as far as the rating goes,I said I am still investigating this by myself( waiting for a mod to confirm the block/ban exact time), once i confirm your claims i will take actions. this attitude will not help you speed up any process, you are making things worse for yourself by being an asshole.

I am twisting vouches? Can't you just read what all that people posted? And had to double post due to your thoughts about it? I am not marketizing anything. I sent him a vouch copy, he agreed to review it. Whats wrong about it? I just said that. That vouch copies have been handed to "X" users. I never said he had vouched for it, I am just waiting for his review.

Tman double posted and you just refuse to read that, ghscoins45 aswell, bestwebcreator aswell.

And honestly I feel ofended, you just call shit something I am selling. You show no respect to other users nor what they do, speaks really bad of yourself.


Suchmoon, I just edited my post on my Sales thread, and stated clearly for you, that a vouch copy has been given to XXX, but he has NOT reviewed yet, due to irl time schedules. Hope that works. Until he can come and review it himself.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098397.msg49270746#msg49270746

[mikeywith]

so Soha reached out via pm again , was much more reasonable this time, decided he would take "malevolent" name out of the vouching story , and agreed to wait till and if malevolent actually does review his method.

even though this is not the reason for the tag, it was also a concern that now i think settled, since neither TMAN nor the other guys "denied" the user's rights to use their name as "vouch members" i will leave it for them to decide.

as far as the tag goes, i will give it 1-2 days if non of the mods gets back to me with an accurate answer of whether the account was locked before the new account was created - which means the whole concept of him not warning about the hacked account which he could have used to scam while not having to take any responsibility- would be invalidated.

* there is no guarantee that any of the mods will provide the information needed, therefore the absence of those information means : the rating will be removed.
* i will keep the tag if the information prove that he created the new account before he was locked-out of the old one.
* if 2 days pass and no information is presented, i will remove the tag, but if happens that one of the mods confirms the new account was created before the other one was locked/hacked at any later time - i will put the rating back.

[suchmoon]

Great. And if you remove the rating please PM Hhampuz and actmyname to remove the counters because they probably didn't intend to make the OP a +2 green

[mikeywith]

Great. And if you remove the rating please PM Hhampuz and actmyname to remove the counters because they probably didn't intend to make the OP a +2 green

Sure,thanks for the reminder - 

[Soha 1]

Thanks guys for the help. I didn't mean to sound agressive or anything, I just didn't like how you guys were pointing fingers at me, when I had never lied about it

But I also understand your concerns and i'll gladly wait malevolents review to post his name on my thread.

Thanks, and no hard-feelings

No need to post anymore here until mod pms mikey, thanks.

[TMAN]

* if 2 days pass and no information is presented, i will remove the tag, but if happens that one of the mods confirms the new account was created before the other one was locked/hacked at any later time - i will put the rating back.

DT being fair, open and listening to posters? what on earth is going on here?

@mikey - Soha hit me up on telegram on the 16th @ 11.22PM (GMT) about the account being hacked - just realised, can send you the log if you need it.

[mikeywith]

Thanks for the input TMAN,

feedback has been removed due to absence of information needed from mods, don't forget to lock this topic.