Mikeywith abused his trust system.

[mikeywith]

About account I literaly just sent you screenshot of it being locked? I dont know what else to proove you

you did not send me anything, when i asked you  the first question related to the account issue this was your reply

I must? I do as I please mate If you interested in guide let me know , if not goodluck

I didnt have anything of the sort in mind, as soon as i got locked out of it, in order to not loose business i made alt and made new thread with summary stating what had happened, and how that account was unaccesable.

yes you worry about your business but not worry about the possibility of others getting scammed

I didnt got into attack- mode I just was a bit pissed that you came to my thread stating my vouches were all not trusted , that I was a lier, and that I must do as you said. Yea , you got me pissed. I guess :/

i simply said

your tittle is misleading, you do not have any trusted vouch.

1 member is not trusted.
1 member did not vouche and said your your method works.
1 member did not even post on the topic.

therefore by saying it's vouched i say you are lying, or simply acting dumb, which does not make much different in this case.

I am giving you 24 hours to edit your tittle, remove the word "vouched" until you get a vouch from a trusted member, or i will have to tag you.

which i still stand by it , can any of the members you mentioned take full responsibility of their "vouch" ? is anyone of them sure that your method will work for the next buyer? if yes, problem solved , if not then i still think you are manipulating people's words making them sound like VOUCHING.

so please get those members to confirm that what they said is actually a vouch  and not just something that you manipulated from an opinion to a vouch in order to sell your method.
 

[Soha 1]

Well you don't seem to read my posts.

Here is the picture again; https://imgur.com/a/Bfpkg51


And why are you deviating subject from the red trust you given me onto my method? Vouches that were given on my thread speak for themselves, you can interpret them as you want. It clearly states you can make the money depending on the person. And again i am NOT going into detail of this with you or anyone who hasnt bought the guide or got a copy.


Can any of them take full responsability? hell no! can even i take responsability? no

If someone buys my guide and does nothing , pretending money is made by itself then yea forget it, that won't happen, they'll make nothing and start complaining. you got to follow guide to make it and earn it. if not it wont happen. does my advertisement lie? no. is my advertisimetn decieveing? no. you just got to follow what i say and things will flow

[BestWebCreator]

Damnit, this user was really hacked and created an new account, as I posted on his thread already. The original owner, who I have had contact with for a few weeks now, has told me this through telegram and I have confirmed it (Soha1 is the old Soha, before his account got hacked).

[mikeywith]

Well you don't seem to read my posts.

Here is the picture again; https://imgur.com/a/Bfpkg51

this is the first time you send me this image, if you posted somewhere else that you expect me to dig for, sorry ain't got time for that.

And why are you deviating subject from the red trust you given me onto my method? Vouches that were given on my thread speak for themselves, you can interpret them as you want. It clearly states you can make the money depending on the person. And again i am NOT going into detail of this with you or anyone who hasnt bought the guide or got a copy.

i am not, i am replying to your posts.
The picture you just sent, is no proof that your account was LOCKED when you made the new account, the date on the image is 18th , your new account was created on the 16th , prove to me that you original account was LOCKED before you created the new one, then my whole argument about you risking other members to get scammed will be invalid as you were certain that nobody could have used your SOHA account to conduct any scam.

i am not sure if there is any public data on when an account was banned, but it's your job to find out. prove it and i'l remove the tag.

but we still have to go through the vouched stuff anyway. so i kindly request from you to reconsider your words, as i still think you are "manipulating opinions to vouches" intentionally or unintentionally doesn't matter.
 
btw, i am going to sleep, sorry for not going to reply you till tomorrow.

[Soha 1]

I literaly sent you that image on this same thread page 1

About that image you are requesting I ahve not saved any from that date, i'll try to get that data from somewhere I dont know how honestly. I mean I clearly stated on my new thread that my other account wouldnt be used to bump since it was locked, nor anything. Though I was keeping same telegram , etc. I don't know how else to proove you. I feel like you are making a big mistake here.

And I consider vouching matter done, unless you got something to proove it otherwise. I am not manipulating opinions From anyone, all I ask from vouchers is to not reveal anything of the method and if they have questions regarding something that i'd answer in case they got something wrong.

[mikeywith]

I literaly sent you that image on this same thread page 1

you have not, quote it , and stop editing your posts.

anyway, stop wasting my time and yours, get the proof and the tag will be removed.

And I consider vouching matter done, unless you got something to proove it otherwise.

it's not done on my side, until a trusted user confirms the method worked , you will probably need to start another thread about me abusing the trust system again.

vouch
/vaʊtʃ
verb
assert or confirm as a result of one's own experience that something is true or accurately so described.

non of your currently alleged vouches qualify as a vouch , unless you mean another word, then you have to use that word.

good night.

[Soha 1]

Did malevolent really vouch for your "method"?

You can ask him, he has my copy on telegram. He was away for 2 weeks and he contacted me today saying he was busy irl but he'd be reviewing it soon.

I don't think you really understand what the word 'vouch' means.  By your words above, there's no way malevolent could have vouched for it since he didn't even review it.  You did claim "trusted vouch" in your thread title:

Soha Money Making Guide (UP TO $185/DAY) - EARN OR REFUND - TRUSTED VOUCHED

I'm assuming you meant TMAN's words about it, because he's the only trusted member who stated that the method could work, but he didn't actually try it out.

Ok so , I gave out 4 copies and 3 were vouched, Tman, g45, and bestweb (was greentrust before dt changes), other is malevolent(pending post of him as i stated on my threads since he hasnt reviewed yet).

here is my pic of my main acc locked so Mickey can see i dont lie

https://imgur.com/a/Bfpkg51

Here's the quote.

I don't know how to get the proof, you can ask Hhampuz that I told him I had been hacked and had no Access to account or I even think Tman, I told him.

About the method , I'm done discussing about it, It's already prooved on vouches, or opinions call them as you please.

Again, I AM offering you a FREE vouch copy for you to try oit out yourself and proove me wrong. If you proove me wrong, I'll never sell a copy again.

[suchmoon]

Here's the quote.

That post was edited right before you said "here's the quote".

[Soha 1]

Here's the quote.

That post was edited right before you said "here's the quote".

The original quote post was never edited, what do you mean?

Edit: My bad it was edited same time, but i had actualy posted the link first time , if any mod can verify that they can see it. Sorry if it could of cause inconvenience.

[TMAN]

did either TMAN or malevolent say yes this method makes you "UP TO $185/DAYa" ?

OK PM'd me asking for a vouch, I figured I would help the kid out.  He sent me a doc that outlined his "method" and it took me less than 3 mins to see that it would work, seriously anyone looking at it would say the same. Is it unique? no - is it cleaver ? - no.  is it worth the money he is selling it for? yes to his target audience - no to anyone in this thread. Is the kid super keen ? I think so.  its a buy low sell higher strategy with fluid markets for both the buy and the sell - far too much effort for me though.

He then messaged me a few days later about the account being hacked, I tagged it and told him to read meta, then he messaged me again asking about his account (I didn't sign up for this shit!)

before the  1st PM I had no interaction with the kid, I cant comment on him being trustworthy or anything else.

That's all I am saying on this, Mikey is a reasonable bloke and i'm not getting in the middle here.

[Soha 1]

Thank you tman for commenting on the thread, I never realy want this to become a troublesome subject. I offer my guide, I offered to few trusted people to see what they think of. I got nothing against Mike, I just don't see why he pointed fingers against me like this.

Thanks for posting on thread anyways, and again sorry you had to encounter this situation.

[suchmoon]

Thank you tman for commenting on the thread, I never realy want this to become a troublesome subject. I offer my guide, I offered to few trusted people to see what they think of. I got nothing against Mike, I just don't see why he pointed fingers against me like this.

Thanks for posting on thread anyways, and again sorry you had to encounter this situation.

Here's the deal: get malevolent to comment on this publicly and if he confirms your story (even if it's just a short "yes") I'll believe that you're more or less an ok user just a bit too eager at times as TMAN said. I just have a hard time believing that a moderator would be getting involved into vouching for this kind of crap but I don't really know him so...

If that doesn't happen in a reasonable amount of time (a week?) I'll add another red trust for you. I don't want to pile on right now because you got the one neg countered so obviously someone thinks you're ok.

[Soha 1]

Thank you tman for commenting on the thread, I never realy want this to become a troublesome subject. I offer my guide, I offered to few trusted people to see what they think of. I got nothing against Mike, I just don't see why he pointed fingers against me like this.

Thanks for posting on thread anyways, and again sorry you had to encounter this situation.

Here's the deal: get malevolent to comment on this publicly and if he confirms your story (even if it's just a short "yes") I'll believe that you're more or less an ok user just a bit too eager at times as TMAN said. I just have a hard time believing that a moderator would be getting involved into vouching for this kind of crap but I don't really know him so...

If that doesn't happen in a reasonable amount of time (a week?) I'll add another red trust for you. I don't want to pile on right now because you got the one neg countered so obviously someone thinks you're ok.

Contact me via telegram, I'll privately show you my conversation with malevolent. And again I never said he vouched for it, I said I handed a vouch copy to him, in which he'll review as he promised me very soon.

I Will not make malevolent comment here, as I never ever requested him to do that. He'll review when he has time. As tman said, people I gave vouch copy to did not sign up for people like you or Mike question things they said, or even I quote about them.

If you do not believe me, feel free to shoot a pm to malevolent now, or talk to him via telegram

And check malevolents latest online time at least, he's been very busy IRL as he told me.

Any why are you commenting on this if you think its crap?

This is what I sell, and I dont reckon it as crap. If you do, then you have no need to read about it.

[suchmoon]

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I don't do telegram and stop twisting my words. You're the one putting a name of a staff member in your sales post. That's shady at best, even if your story is true. It's in your best interest to prove it.

[mikeywith]

I Will not make malevolent comment here, as I never ever requested him to do that.

then what is the point of giving him a vouch copy if you can't get him to comment on your thread? this is as stupid as giving satoshi or theymos a vouch copy knowing they will never review it and still use their name as a marketing tool in your thread. even TMAN was very careful with his words , never ever said he vouched for your method, yet you still insist on using his name as a vouched member.

as told you in the pm ,i am still waiting for a mod to confirm the ban date, likely i'l remove the current negative, but i  might "very likely" still tag you for manipulating the vouching story.

i am more flexible than suchmoon, you don't have to get malevolent to comment on your thread, removing his name from your thread, as well as taking TMAN permission to use his name as a "TURSTED VOUCH" will suffice, if TMAN says no , they you need to get rid of his name on your thread along side with malevolent.

[Soha 1]

You don't do telegram? Then it's not my fault, you're asking me to proove you something, I am more than happy to do so.

If you don't want to do telegram still, just drop him a pm and ask him; Hey malev, have you actualy recieved a vouch copy for Sohas money making method? Cheers .

And mikey, can you please read? Do you understand english? Not trying to be mean or anything. I said I am not going to ask malevolent to post here, on THIS thread, this is not what this guys signed for as tman said. Though malevolent is going to post his review when he has enough time to do so on my sales thread.

Simple as that.


About mikey, I told you I have not taken a freaking screenshot when my account got locked. You are just going around the Bush with nonsense.

About vouches, method IS vouched by the people that got copies. Like it or not, my offer to give you one for free to proove you wrong has gone to waste, since you keep doing nothing but wasting my and your time. If you want to buy the guide , feel free to.

You only caused trouble to people, by making Tman, ghcoins45, and bestwebcreator come forward again to vouch for methods efectiveness.


You keep going around the Bush with same stuff, god sake. I never said Malevolent vouched for it! I said I gave him  a vouch copy and I am indeed waiting for his review. Now, Tman clearly stated his opinion on my thread, and had to do it again here due to your blatant requests.

Added second quote from TMAN

OK PM'd me asking for a vouch, I figured I would help the kid out.  He sent me a doc that outlined his "method" and it took me less than 3 mins to see that it would work, seriously anyone looking at it would say the same. Is it unique? no - is it cleaver ? - no.  is it worth the money he is selling it for? yes to his target audience - no to anyone in this thread. Is the kid super keen ? I think so.  its a buy low sell higher strategy with fluid markets for both the buy and the sell - far too much effort for me though.

Added second quote from GHCoins45

Hey, the method is ok man, it's working, it is nothing new, other people are using the same method and are making money (why would they use it if they don't make money, right?)

[suchmoon]

I said I am not going to ask malevolent to post here, on THIS thread

I doesn't have to be this thread, although honestly what's the difference? You're asking him to vouch for your thing but you can't ask him to post a short "yes, soha is not full of shit"?

Anyway, get me any confirmation - this thread or in your sale thread or via PM - from malevolent that you indeed had all these communications with him exactly the way you described it and that he's ok with you using his name before the vouch was actually given.

And no, I'm not doing that for you. You're making the claim and it takes just a few seconds for you to prove it since you're already in communication with malevolent. Just do it.

[Soha 1]

I said I am not going to ask malevolent to post here, on THIS thread

I doesn't have to be this thread, although honestly what's the difference? You're asking him to vouch for your thing but you can't ask him to post a short "yes, soha is not full of shit"?

Anyway, get me any confirmation - this thread or in your sale thread or via PM - from malevolent that you indeed had all these communications with him exactly the way you described it and that he's ok with you using his name before the vouch was actually given.

And no, I'm not doing that for you. You're making the claim and it takes just a few seconds for you to prove it since you're already in communication with malevolent. Just do it.

The pms I sent to him are locked on my main account, and I Will not give you out his telegram, I dont know if he wants it given out just like that.


Can't you see he hasnt been on for 2 weeks on bitcointalk? Since january 7th? When he has his time he'll review my guide and post on MY thread. If you can not wait, then just pm him, and when he's back online, he'll reply to you. Using his name? I litearly just said I gave a vouch copy to him, thats about it. Nothing wrong with that.
All you are doing is twisting my words here.

[mikeywith]

malevolent name should not be in your topic at all until he does vouch, what is the point of telling everyone that you sent him a vouch copy? how is that different from sending a pm to theymos asking him to vouch for you and then use his name somewhere somehow as marketing method to sell your stuff ? we are not asking the impossible from you here, we are asking you to be reasonable, yet you insist in doing things the way you see fit, you have the right to do so, as so does everybody who finds your vouching shit manipulated and decides to tag you for it.

as far as the rating goes,I said I am still investigating this by myself( waiting for a mod to confirm the block/ban exact time), once i confirm your claims i will take actions. this attitude will not help you speed up any process, you are making things worse for yourself by being an asshole.

[Soha 1]

malevolent name should not be in your topic at all until he does vouch, what is the point of telling everyone that you sent him a vouch copy? how is that different from sending a pm to theymos asking him to vouch for you and then use his name somewhere somehow as marketing method to sell your stuff ? we are not asking the impossible from you here, we are asking you to be reasonable, yet you insist in doing things the way you see fit, you have the right to do so, as so does everybody who finds your vouching shit manipulated and decides to tag you for it.

as far as the rating goes,I said I am still investigating this by myself( waiting for a mod to confirm the block/ban exact time), once i confirm your claims i will take actions. this attitude will not help you speed up any process, you are making things worse for yourself by being an asshole.

I am twisting vouches? Can't you just read what all that people posted? And had to double post due to your thoughts about it? I am not marketizing anything. I sent him a vouch copy, he agreed to review it. Whats wrong about it? I just said that. That vouch copies have been handed to "X" users. I never said he had vouched for it, I am just waiting for his review.

Tman double posted and you just refuse to read that, ghscoins45 aswell, bestwebcreator aswell.

And honestly I feel ofended, you just call shit something I am selling. You show no respect to other users nor what they do, speaks really bad of yourself.


Suchmoon, I just edited my post on my Sales thread, and stated clearly for you, that a vouch copy has been given to XXX, but he has NOT reviewed yet, due to irl time schedules. Hope that works. Until he can come and review it himself.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098397.msg49270746#msg49270746