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January 24, 2019, 05:32:11 PM
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Honestly, I'm not exactly sure if the introduction of the merit system was essential in reducing spam. I believe that it has had a much greater influence by encouraging a more elaborate production of good topics and good responses. Many users began to care more about what they were writing in the expectation of receiving merits as a reward.

The reduction in spam may only have actually occurred with the introduction of 1 merit to turn Jr. And perhaps, as suggested, increase the number of merits required to climb the ranks at the lowest levels could be great for the forum.

Price may have been a much more influential factor in reducing spam. With the constant drop in prices, the incentive to produce spam has decreased.

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January 24, 2019, 05:37:42 PM
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I think that's the next step. Upping it from 1 to 3-5 as a minimum would be the fatal blow to many dunderhead dreams. That's achievable but takes out the fluke factor completely. You'll actually have to be vaguely useful.
I've been advocating for this for a while, but 3-5 is still too low in my opinion. I think a 10 merit minimum is the way to go. 1 (and probably 3) is too easy to beg, buy or trade for, and with the number of airdropped sMerits still waiting to be used, we will be seeing plenty of 1 merit spammers for a long time yet.

I also think changing it from 10 total merit to 10 earned merit would also be a good step. There are plenty of spammers in more senior ranks too. If you haven't been able to earn 10 merit in the space of a year, then you are almost certainly a spammer.

Not that big of a difference on a macro scale. 5k newbies (IIRC) have been able to rank up since the 1-merit requirement introduction, which sounds like a lot but now it has slowed down to a trickle, just a few hundred a month.

Make it 3 merits and the 5k will drop to maybe 1k total, and 100 a month (I'm sure someone can pull more accurate numbers on that). How much more do we want to reduce it? 1k could be relatively easily managed, e.g. reported to mods when appropriate etc.

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January 24, 2019, 05:49:14 PM
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Not that big of a difference on a macro scale. 5k newbies (IIRC) have been able to rank up since the 1-merit requirement introduction, which sounds like a lot but now it has slowed down to a trickle, just a few hundred a month.

Make it 3 merits and the 5k will drop to maybe 1k total, and 100 a month (I'm sure someone can pull more accurate numbers on that). How much more do we want to reduce it? 1k could be relatively easily managed, e.g. reported to mods when appropriate etc.

Ideally the number wouldn't be reduced in the slightest. It would hopefully encourage posters to up their game accordingly. I can't imagine many will of course.

Gotta say I'm slightly shocked at how piddling the numbers are of people who've ranked up from any level.

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January 24, 2019, 05:50:01 PM
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Here’s a quick look at the amount of forum members that have managed to rank-up by means of the Merit System so far (to be really thorough, I should update this image on the week-end, after I integrate tomorrow’s merit.txt file):



Edit: List to all the above forum members that have ranked-up: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Qu0_AAwwU9TyiFp7DhwgpySkdFMAssRiCmeQ62mHg8/edit?usp=sharing

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January 24, 2019, 06:10:34 PM
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January 24th 2018 - the day when thousands of lifes were ruined Cheesy
Maybe it's time to remove all airdropped Merits? There are thousands of Full, Senior or Hero members who haven't managed to earn even 1 Merit. But they still can use all privilleges of their rank and continue spamming without thinking about quality of their posts

Lols...
So we would have 3 days of mourning?
The first one was a serious blow, then came the 1 merit requirement which destroyed a few more lives and now you're supporting a total purge?

Thumbs up! Bring it on!!!! Although I'll end u as a senior member, f**** it, by the next bull run I'll be legendary!

Price may have been a much more influential factor in reducing spam. With the constant drop in prices, the incentive to produce spam has decreased.

Or the decline in real ICO and the fact that 99% of them are scams?
I would bet on the later.

I rarely browse the altcoin section but all I see there are bounty hunters asking each other if it's still worth to "do bounty".

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January 24, 2019, 06:21:09 PM
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January 24th 2018 - the day when thousands of lifes were ruined Cheesy
Maybe it's time to remove all airdropped Merits? There are thousands of Full, Senior or Hero members who haven't managed to earn even 1 Merit. But they still can use all privilleges of their rank and continue spamming without thinking about quality of their posts

This would be a pretty radical move but it does make sense. A year has been more than enough time for everyone's merit to reflect who they actually are.

I see a few sig campaigns have merit requirements separate to airdropped levels such as 50 earned or 10 in the last two months. Either make that mandatory or drop the hammer.

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January 24, 2019, 06:37:46 PM
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sadly i was not there to witness the birth of the merit system, strangely i am nearly in top 100 merit receivers( been active on the forum for only the last 3 months) ironically many old members are still jr members without airdropped merit.

Happy merit day.

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January 24th 2018 - the day when thousands of lifes were ruined Cheesy
Maybe it's time to remove all airdropped Merits? There are thousands of Full, Senior or Hero members who haven't managed to earn even 1 Merit. But they still can use all privilleges of their rank and continue spamming without thinking about quality of their posts
This has been suggested multiple times, restrictions on signature for members who have failed to earn a single merit should be extended to those who had merits airdropped. Theymos has talked about how anyone who can not earn the minimum is not needed on the forum, this should be all inclusive

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January 24, 2019, 07:13:59 PM
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January 24th 2018 - the day when thousands of lifes were ruined Cheesy
Maybe it's time to remove all airdropped Merits? There are thousands of Full, Senior or Hero members who haven't managed to earn even 1 Merit. But they still can use all privilleges of their rank and continue spamming without thinking about quality of their posts
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I'm fine with removing airdropped merits, but in that case we should recalculate the merit limits for ranking up.
It can happen based on the observation of the amount of the merits gathered in 1 year time.
Rank   Required activity   Required merit
Brand new   0   0
Newbie   1   0
Jr Member   30   1
Member   60   10
Full Member   120   100
Sr. Member   240   250
Hero Member   480   500
Legendary   Random in the range 775-1030   1000

For the newbies, juniors and members, you can see that the merits needed for the rank up are low, compared to the activity. (required merit/activity ratio is way below 100%)
From Full member rank, you have to get nearly as many merits  as the required activity. (required merit/activity ratio is 83.3%)
For Sr. members, Heroes more merit is required than activity. (required merit/activity ratio is 104.16%)
Legendaries are a bit different, based on the luck, it varies from 97% to 129%

Based on my observations (and that can be wrong of course), (for the normal average users) 50% required merit/activity ratio would be still hard enough to achieve, so this would still slow down the ranking up process significantly, compared to the 'no merit' times.
This would motivate the normal users a bit more to post quality and wouls still stop spammers.

Anyway, happy birthday Merit Smiley
 
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January 24, 2019, 07:37:12 PM
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Legendaries are a bit different, based on the luck, it varies from 97% to 129%
Based on my observations (and that can be wrong of course), (for the normal average users) 50% required merit/activity ratio would be still hard enough to achieve, so this would still slow down the ranking up process significantly, compared to the 'no merit' times.

And that is what it should be like, a Legendary rank really meaning something!!
Besides, is there real purpose of becoming Legendary other than getting into better paying campaigns?

If you want to show off how long you have been on the forum, there is activity, if how much trust people have in you there is the trust system, merit shows how much people care about your ideas...
The rank...is kind of useless.

This would motivate the normal users a bit more to post quality and wouls still stop spammers.

And that's what we all want, right?

sadly i was not there to witness the birth of the merit system, strangely i am nearly in top 100 merit receivers( been active on the forum for only the last 3 months) ironically many old members are still jr members without airdropped merit.

Another proof airdrop merit should at least enter a decay phase...

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January 24, 2019, 09:12:22 PM
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Legendaries are a bit different, based on the luck, it varies from 97% to 129%
Based on my observations (and that can be wrong of course), (for the normal average users) 50% required merit/activity ratio would be still hard enough to achieve, so this would still slow down the ranking up process significantly, compared to the 'no merit' times.

And that is what it should be like, a Legendary rank really meaning something!!
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Fine for me, Legendary could remain 1000 merits, that's really a kind of thing that's hard to achieve, no problem with that. (even if we just withdraw the airdropped merits)
If you want to show off how long you have been on the forum, there is activity, if how much trust people have in you there is the trust system, merit shows how much people care about your ideas...
The rank...is kind of useless.
In this case, is this rank thing necessary at all?


Just wondering, I'm fine with the current situation as well, because based on my last 1 year progress (100 merit earned per year Cheesy ), I have 4 years unless I become legendary, but it's not a problem for me, I can manage the situation. This is the highest rank, this should be really hard to achieve, unless it will lose it's special feeling...

But the Full member rank is just the 3rd rank, not the last one, and if people will struggle to reach even the 3rd rank, that would make them disappointed (just my opinion, and I'm talking about the 'normal' users, not the spammers or the farmed accounts). If I understand DdmrDdmr's chart right, there were 82 members, who managed to become Full member (from Member) since the introduction of the merit system, this is less than 10 members per month, for the entire forum. Taking into consideration that we have thousands of active accounts, it's not really much (even if only minor part of the active accounts post meaningful things...)

To become a Full member from Member, there's a 90 merit gap to fill, which means you have to get nearly 1 merit per post (120 activity compared to 100 merit), which is really hard. If you only post the necessary 14 posts per activity period (to avoid spamming the whole forum, fishing for merit everywhere and make the forum unreadable), it's a really really hard task. People would give up sooner than we expect

Or, if we want to give prestige to ranks, Senior member could be the first of the perstigious ranks, and we should not touch the merit requirements of Senior and above, and only lessen the merit requirement of the 3rd rank a bit, to help people rank up at least to Full member, to feel that they are already fully accepted members of the community Smiley

I know that rank doesn't matter for a lot of people, but for a lot of other people it does (and not only because of the signature campaigns, it's only for the signature spammers), and it won't ruin the success of the current merit system if we could adjust the requirement a bit of the 3rd rank...

But it's just an idea (and a wall of text I know Cheesy) and I don't want to harm anyone with it, just wanted to help those members who really deserves it (and I know that they're the minority nowdays...)
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The rank...is kind of useless.
In this case, is this rank thing necessary at all?

I think maybe not...
Apart from signatures, I don't think there is any other thing of some importance where rank matters.
As far as I know, pm limits are based on activity (!?) so.....

And just the other day I saw a topic about what we should have after Legendary, it's quite clear that without a merit decay or nuking the airdrop merit the ranks will become a bit confusing...
After all, what do they prove?


If I understand DdmrDdmr's chart right, there were 82 members, who managed to become Full member (from Member) since the introduction of the merit system, this is less than 10 members per month, for the entire forum. Taking into consideration that we have thousands of active accounts, it's not really much (even if only minor part of the active accounts post meaningful things...)

Those thousands of active accounts what maybe doesn't give a damn about what they post as long as they have done their quota. Whenever I venture in the alt section I see hundreds of members I've never encountered on the forum before.
It would be interesting to know how many of them have never left the alt and bounty section ....uhhfff....

.... yeah @Loycev if you read this (or the AI does) Grin Grin Grin I still have the data you dumped on me a month ago and I haven't forgotten and I haven't yet!!!! gave up, but I can't parse that unless I break it into pieces so small it will be a pain to glue the results after.
I tried two scripts and they all ended hanging even with 1/8 of the file.

So I might have the answer to my own question right here, but unable to see it  Tongue




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January 24, 2019, 10:13:22 PM
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I think it won't be good action from me to open new thread with different title, so OP what about to change title? Forum before and after merit <--- 1 year has passed and now is a good time say something actually on changes, what's improved, what's declined, was this the solution?
Merit really changed overall situation on this forum but seems merit didn't touch to altcoin discussion section lol

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January 24, 2019, 10:27:31 PM
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The rank...is kind of useless.
In this case, is this rank thing necessary at all?

I think maybe not...
Apart from signatures, I don't think there is any other thing where rank matters and of some importance.
As far as I know, pm limits are based on activity (!?) so.....

And just the other day I saw a topic about what we should have after Legendary, it's quite clear that without a merit decay or nuking the airdrop merit the ranks will become a bit confusing...
After all, what do they prove?


If I understand DdmrDdmr's chart right, there were 82 members, who managed to become Full member (from Member) since the introduction of the merit system, this is less than 10 members per month, for the entire forum. Taking into consideration that we have thousands of active accounts, it's not really much (even if only minor part of the active accounts post meaningful things...)

Those thousands of active accounts what maybe doesn't give a damn about what they post as long as they have done their quota. Whenever I venture in the alt section I see hundreds of members I've never encountered on the forum before.
It would be interesting to know how many of them have never left the alt and bounty section ....uhhfff

Let’s put this way: I recently ranked up to full member. I registered little less than a year ago ,but I have been active since June.
I briefly ventured on alt section tbh, but I noticed that I got so much merits given to me or I sent so many to others (where merits means knowledge exchanged with the board basically) when I deduced to leave that section forever.

Little self celebratory post about me becoming a self made Full Member and where I explain what merits are to me
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098333.msg49397868#msg49397868

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Let’s put this way: I recently ranked up to full member. I registered little less than a year ago ,but I have been active since June.
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Congrats, you are the exception, to show that ranking up is possible (but still hard enough for the rest, I guess Smiley )
Anyway, nice job, and keep up the good posting Smiley
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January 25, 2019, 12:12:00 AM
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Here’s a quick look at the amount of forum members that have managed to rank-up by means of the Merit System so far (to be really thorough, I should update this image on the week-end, after I integrate tomorrow’s merit.txt file):



Edit: List to all the above forum members that have ranked-up: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Qu0_AAwwU9TyiFp7DhwgpySkdFMAssRiCmeQ62mHg8/edit?usp=sharing


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I'd couldn't believe can be ranked up to Hero Member Cheesy
I thought it was impossible rank-up from Full Member to Hero Member




It is obviously a reachable target.
For me, I have gone one-fifth of my journey to Senior position.
Strongly believe that till the end of this year, I will hit the finish line.




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January 25, 2019, 09:50:43 AM
Merited by Foxpup (2), bones261 (1), stompix (1)
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Just a quick word cloud will all the 312 usernames that have managed to earn at least 150 merits as of today (value chosen arbitrarily to allow for names to be readable). Name size is proportional to the number of earned merits.



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January 25, 2019, 10:52:26 AM
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Well, congratulations on the merit system and to those implemented it. For sure the forum was being saved from shit posting and it was actually minimized in addition to the new merit requirement for the newbie to rank up in jr. member rank. Now, it seems that the forum has gone quite without those shit posters around. The challenge now is to gather more bitcoin users and to be able to participated in this forum discussion to let bitcoin go hype again.

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January 25, 2019, 12:59:06 PM
Last edit: January 26, 2019, 09:29:24 AM by tactac
Merited by DdmrDdmr (2)
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Happy birthday, Merit!

This is the Stats of my Japanese local board.(Source is Merit Dashboard
Merited User Ranking                  
   Rank      Merit      User Name   
   1       120       hakka   
   2       72       tactac   
   3       62       sncc   
   4       44       nanna   
   5       28       zaq130   
   6       24       Anon11073   
   7       23       kazuki.t   
   8       14       segare   
   9       12       imshon   
   10       10       kinopi   
   11       10       redtag070   
   12       8       Choco99   
   13       7       Leteravian   
   14       7       machamizu   
   15       6       saitoutakasi   
   16       6       Tamak   
   17       6       popomaru   
   18       6       Ken-san   
   19       6       mktkm   
   20       5       CosplayToken   
   21       5       kenart.dd514   
   22       5       miswo   
   23       5       mmrism   
   24       5       Satosi Nakyamoto   
   25       4       Amane   
   26       4       danmaril   
   27       4       imtaamo   
   28       4       solt   
   29       3       Furgon Chino   
   30       3       hojojon   
   31       3       makotosan   
   32       2       Takeshi9953   
   33       2       masayan777   
   34       2       treattreat   
   35       2       Buff88   
   36       2       gumi_daisuki   
   37       2       compota   
   38       2       bittab   
   39       2       HBV   
   40       1       yamaguchi008   
   41       1       wlhdxloli   
   42       1       takainfo77   
   43       1       SpreadWinner   
   44       1       serpenti111   
   45       1       sameji919   
   46       1       pappy0157   
   47       1       newken321   
   48       1       narghat   
   49       1       nara1892   
   50       1       machimoto45   
   51       1       kikunoshin   
   52       1       ken_hatoyama   
   53       1       jappitoniboshitonekoto   
   54       1       isamuaamc   
   55       1       Im japanese owesome   
   56       1       idenfy3   
   57       1       drybull   
   58       1       dosukoi72   
   59       1       Donkatsu   
   60       1       Ccsndr   
   61       1       bombomtarou2082   
   62       1       bitlawyer   
   63       1       akisue2   
   64       1       airdropwwani   
   total amount      562          
                  

Meriter User Ranking                  
Rank      Merit      From User Name   
   1       254       Anon11073   
   2       91       nanna   
   3       64       sncc   
   4       46       hakka   
   5       36       tactac   
   6       14       zaq130   
   7       8       3x2   
   8       5       Imaha486   
   9       5       imshon   
   10       4       redtag070   
   11       3       machamizu   
   12       3       seedone1122   
   13       2       Satosi Nakyamoto   
   14       2       UltraPlay   
   15       2       Tamak   
   16       2       segare   
   17       2       kazuki.t   
   18       2       hojojon   
   19       2       DarkStar_   
   20       2       kenart.dd514   
   21       1       thew3apon   
   22       1       TheKingInYellow   
   23       1       pokemoso   
   24       1       pokayoke   
   25       1       newken321   
   26       1       nasutaro   
   27       1       mmrism   
   28       1       mktkm   
   29       1       kazu3   
   30       1       jappitoniboshitonekoto   
   31       1       gogo5050   
   32       1       dosukoi72   
   33       1       BitCryptex   
      

64 users received Merit and the user who received the most received 120 Merit.
Also, 33 users sent Merit, and the user who sent the most sent 254 Merit.
Thank you Merit system! I'm happy that Merit circulates more actively in the next year Smiley

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