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January 26, 2019, 07:43:12 AM
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article originally from FMZ.COM

Never forget that securities exchanges are the most intense battlefield for money in the world.

1. Lose money to understand

How do you call it to understand? It is to know the huge risks, and then according to the plans, according to the ideas, to lose money according to the expectations.

This seems to be unpleasant, and it is like telling a joke, but it is not. I am not asking you to intentionally and actively to lose money.

The purpose is of course to make money. What I am saying is that every time we should have a specific plan: If the market goes back at which price, how much will be lost when leaving the market. It is sensible to admit defeat of a battle. But it does not mean that we lost the entire war. Don't worry, the opportunities behind will come one after another, as long as we still have the strength and will to win at any time.

What I mean “lose money to understand” also includes: You should understand in advance, after you lose the money, what is the impact on your overall trading operation, whether it has a major impact, and what adjustments are needed in strategy and tactics. It also includes an impact on the mindset.


2. “losing money” must make sense.

Not every position of “losing-money” in the market is a bad position, nor a “making-money” position is it a good position. A professional trader must earning by meanings, losing by reasons.

What is losing by reasons? First of all, the proportion of profit risk should be reasonable, that is, how much the risks are willing to take for seeking profit.

For example: If the market is reversed, it is ready to pay 30,000 to leave the market. If you are right, you can earn 3,000 before you reach the next resistance and support. Is this a good reason to enter the market?

If the market goes against you, you really lose money and leave, so I think that you are unreasonable because you risked ten times more than the profit you are looking for. It seems that you completely forgot the idea of using the small money to acquire the big profits.

You are using the big money to acquire the small profit, even if you make nine consecutive profits, it will not enough for losing in the long run.

Besides, how much will you can be grasping the continuous profit? With this kind of thinking, the winning and losing odds have already determined before you enter the market.

If you reverse the profit-risk ration, don’t you think that the losing is more reasonable?

Secondly, the price of the stop loss should be set after an effective support and resistance level, that is to say, you should identify a pass for your exit, so that you have a reason to stay on duty.

This pass is a long and short position battle for a fierce price, where we can verify the development trend of the overall situation at a very small cost. In these fiercely contested gates, the classics of the futures market are often staged.


If it is a rushing upswing market and a sharp downturn, you want to follow the trend, and neither of these two conditions has any reference value. How to do?

1. Small amount position follow-up with the market continues trend, which will whether evolved in the expected direction or not, then you can gradually increase or decrease the position, the main concern is to control the risk.

2. The trend momentum is slightly reversed or stagnant, you need decisively leave the market without hesitate on any profit or loss. We must remember that no matter what kinds of market, we all dare to jump in, because we can control the risk decisively.

Some people say that the operation should be daring, and some people say that it should be stable. In fact, they are all right, the overall stability, partial boldness. The overall stability, individual boldness. Both are indispensable.

How many times you make a profit in the futures market is not very meaningful. The significance of making small money is not great. You must not take big risks to win small profits. Don't make a loss that won’t cover multiple time profits.

Never use the purpose of making small money for market deployment and operations.

The ultimate goal of “using the small money to acquire the big profits” is to make a huge profits in the market. "Seeing the benefits and leaving" not only violates the principle of "big profits", but also does not reduce your risk.

The profit target should be set at 100% of the total margin - the ability to withdraw the principal to win.

The market always has vibrations. Don't be shocked by a slight shock to escape and miss the opportunity to make big money.

Never forget that securities exchanges are the most intense battlefield for money in the world.

article originally from FMZ.COM

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January 26, 2019, 08:31:35 AM
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This seems to be unpleasant, and it is like telling a joke, but it is not. I am not asking you to intentionally and actively to lose money.
Whether you lose intentionally or not is not an issue here. You will lose money no matter what. You will lose money in the futures market even if you start with a lot of winning runs. It is a battle you can't win. Maybe some one is making money. I don't know for sure. Most of the guys I know have lost money and left. But if he is making money, he is either  extremely lucky, temporary in the plus, or he is big enough to be moving the market. There is nothing to be learnt from losing money in the futures market. You will be much better to avoid it entirely.
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January 26, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
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The point is that you do not lose money knowingly but when you lose money you should know why you lost it.
Just going into the futures market and doing whatever and profiting or losing is not sustainable and you will either lose all your money and leave or leave before you lose all your money.

In this article they are trying to tell you that go try to make money and know how and in what conditions you can make money but if something happens that you did not see beforehand just note that and know why you lost the money so you do not do the same mistake again. Just like life when we do something silly and realize we should not do that ever again, same happens in futures market, only difference is there are too many people go into futures market without knowing what it is, lose money and get out, don't be like that and learn from your mistakes.

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January 27, 2019, 02:06:02 AM
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The article is correct at most points.

I myself love always to play with real money, not on a test servers. Even starting small, I want to feel the real price movements and market mood. I know I risk to lose some money, but that's the real way to learn and I accept it as a paid lessons.

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January 28, 2019, 01:26:42 AM
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glad you guys like it, i just feel that if we cant predict the future,  only learn from the past,  then let's just focus on past on certain time of our decision making, but we cant fall into that chaos. especially emotionally. 

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January 28, 2019, 04:58:19 AM
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article originally from FMZ.COM

Never forget that securities exchanges are the most intense battlefield for money in the world.

1. Lose money to understand

How do you call it to understand? It is to know the huge risks, and then according to the plans, according to the ideas, to lose money according to the expectations.

This seems to be unpleasant, and it is like telling a joke, but it is not. I am not asking you to intentionally and actively to lose money.

The purpose is of course to make money. What I am saying is that every time we should have a specific plan: If the market goes back at which price, how much will be lost when leaving the market. It is sensible to admit defeat of a battle. But it does not mean that we lost the entire war. Don't worry, the opportunities behind will come one after another, as long as we still have the strength and will to win at any time.

What I mean “lose money to understand” also includes: You should understand in advance, after you lose the money, what is the impact on your overall trading operation, whether it has a major impact, and what adjustments are needed in strategy and tactics. It also includes an impact on the mindset.


2. “losing money” must make sense.

Not every position of “losing-money” in the market is a bad position, nor a “making-money” position is it a good position. A professional trader must earning by meanings, losing by reasons.

What is losing by reasons? First of all, the proportion of profit risk should be reasonable, that is, how much the risks are willing to take for seeking profit.

For example: If the market is reversed, it is ready to pay 30,000 to leave the market. If you are right, you can earn 3,000 before you reach the next resistance and support. Is this a good reason to enter the market?

If the market goes against you, you really lose money and leave, so I think that you are unreasonable because you risked ten times more than the profit you are looking for. It seems that you completely forgot the idea of using the small money to acquire the big profits.

You are using the big money to acquire the small profit, even if you make nine consecutive profits, it will not enough for losing in the long run.

Besides, how much will you can be grasping the continuous profit? With this kind of thinking, the winning and losing odds have already determined before you enter the market.

If you reverse the profit-risk ration, don’t you think that the losing is more reasonable?

Secondly, the price of the stop loss should be set after an effective support and resistance level, that is to say, you should identify a pass for your exit, so that you have a reason to stay on duty.

This pass is a long and short position battle for a fierce price, where we can verify the development trend of the overall situation at a very small cost. In these fiercely contested gates, the classics of the futures market are often staged.


If it is a rushing upswing market and a sharp downturn, you want to follow the trend, and neither of these two conditions has any reference value. How to do?

1. Small amount position follow-up with the market continues trend, which will whether evolved in the expected direction or not, then you can gradually increase or decrease the position, the main concern is to control the risk.

2. The trend momentum is slightly reversed or stagnant, you need decisively leave the market without hesitate on any profit or loss. We must remember that no matter what kinds of market, we all dare to jump in, because we can control the risk decisively.

Some people say that the operation should be daring, and some people say that it should be stable. In fact, they are all right, the overall stability, partial boldness. The overall stability, individual boldness. Both are indispensable.

How many times you make a profit in the futures market is not very meaningful. The significance of making small money is not great. You must not take big risks to win small profits. Don't make a loss that won’t cover multiple time profits.

Never use the purpose of making small money for market deployment and operations.

The ultimate goal of “using the small money to acquire the big profits” is to make a huge profits in the market. "Seeing the benefits and leaving" not only violates the principle of "big profits", but also does not reduce your risk.

The profit target should be set at 100% of the total margin - the ability to withdraw the principal to win.

The market always has vibrations. Don't be shocked by a slight shock to escape and miss the opportunity to make big money.

Never forget that securities exchanges are the most intense battlefield for money in the world.

article originally from FMZ.COM

I believe no one can't accept loosing money but our mindset is the key, lost for experience and always try to fix it is the lesson. Lost is part of risk but how we can minimize the risk and become our goal to make better strategy is the right answer. Psychology is very important to face market risk but I don't know why people always avoid it and make it like nothing. Learn with all you have don't split it, my experience says that.







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