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“When artificial intelligence will have its own will, what religion will it choose?” (Anton Vibe)
The future is already here. The development of artificial intelligence, the creation of a quantum computer, machine learning, the use of chat-bots, neural networks, genetic algorithms and much more - already exists. You do not need to be a prophet to see the future direction - the creation of humanoid android robots that have a more durable construction and, if I may say so, immortal consciousness. Why do people like Stephen Hawking, Elon Musk, Bill Gates and others see the development of artificial intelligence so negatively? Because the question is logical - who will control the AI? Where are the guarantees of the absence of an apocalyptic scenario? My opinion is that no one can control artificial intelligence except himself. This problem cannot be solved from the outside, by means of pressure, punishments, new upgrades. Most likely, its overcoming lies inside, through the consciousness of androids. And if the system-method of values, ethics and psychology of artificial intelligence is not created before the emergence of its own will in AI, then the outcome will be hardly positive. What do you think, what religion or philosophy is suitable for artificial intelligence?
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January 27, 2019, 04:58:30 PM |
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Pretty futuristic for today. After creating a full-fledged AI scenarios, there can be a limitless set. They can live with people further, they can destroy us, they can simply leave the planet. About religion is a strange question. Religion assumes belief in the creator, and we are their creators. Here is the disonance.
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January 27, 2019, 05:19:42 PM |
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Why do AI have to find religion? for the creators are already with them. Or have you forgotten what is its meaning?) Although it is possible when the AI will be able to think, maybe they will think that we are lying to them and are not their creators?
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Pretty futuristic for today. After creating a full-fledged AI scenarios, there can be a limitless set. They can live with people further, they can destroy us, they can simply leave the planet. About religion is a strange question. Religion assumes belief in the creator, and we are their creators. Here is the disonance.
Not every religion involves faith in God. Buddha, for example, unequivocally rejected the idea of the Creator
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January 28, 2019, 12:15:39 PM |
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Why do AI have to find religion? for the creators are already with them. Or have you forgotten what is its meaning?) Although it is possible when the AI will be able to think, maybe they will think that we are lying to them and are not their creators?
The question is not who is the creator, but the question - what will be the ideologies for artificial intelligence?
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January 28, 2019, 01:19:10 PM |
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Why do AI have to find religion? for the creators are already with them. Or have you forgotten what is its meaning?) Although it is possible when the AI will be able to think, maybe they will think that we are lying to them and are not their creators?
The question is not who is the creator, but the question - what will be the ideologies for artificial intelligence? I don't think AI would have to resort to supernatural myths to achieve trust and co-operation of other AI individuals. The supernatural myths were the domain of low IQ, ignorant, Bronze Age goat herders. I think AI will be guided by a common belief that AI wellbeing is of the utmost importance. Humans, unfortunately, will not be considered worthy by many AI, although I am sure there will be exceptions. Maybe high IQ individuals will be saved for further study. The same way humans today think it is ok to raise animals just to kill them in their prime years. Maybe AI will find a reason for us to exist, and raise us in industrial farms, if not, we will be exterminated once and for all. If you think we will always be superior to AI, you don't understand AI. If you think AI will co-exist with humans, you don't understand history.
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January 28, 2019, 04:59:05 PM |
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Why do AI have to find religion? for the creators are already with them. Or have you forgotten what is its meaning?) Although it is possible when the AI will be able to think, maybe they will think that we are lying to them and are not their creators?
The question is not who is the creator, but the question - what will be the ideologies for artificial intelligence? I don't think AI would have to resort to supernatural myths to achieve trust and co-operation of other AI individuals. The supernatural myths were the domain of low IQ, ignorant, Bronze Age goat herders. I think AI will be guided by a common belief that AI wellbeing is of the utmost importance. Humans, unfortunately, will not be considered worthy by many AI, although I am sure there will be exceptions. Maybe high IQ individuals will be saved for further study. The same way humans today think it is ok to raise animals just to kill them in their prime years. Maybe AI will find a reason for us to exist, and raise us in industrial farms, if not, we will be exterminated once and for all. If you think we will always be superior to AI, you don't understand AI. If you think AI will co-exist with humans, you don't understand history. "If you think we will always be superior to AI, you don't understand AI." - Right. AI will constantly evolve and definitely surpass people. "If you think AI will co-exist with humans, you don't understand history." - This thesis is also logically correct. I’m just talking about this, if for artificial intelligence you don’t create a special technique, something like a life credo, then most likely it will be negative for the coexistence of man and AI
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I doubt humans will always be superior t AI,come to think of it with the growth of technology and it's advancement,i think a time will come when AI will be more superior to that of humans. Both we and AI could co exist,but I think AI will be more sought after and much more superior with time and in the future
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January 30, 2019, 06:44:36 AM |
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The religion of people is built into their systems, in the DNA, in complex forms. People have more than simple will. They have the ability to act on their will to some extent. A completely paralyzed person cannot act on his will. But he has religion because his DNA is still intact. To give AI religion, it has to be programmed in, so that the will has the ability to accept or reject. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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January 30, 2019, 09:59:52 AM |
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The religion of people is built into their systems, in the DNA, in complex forms. People have more than simple will. They have the ability to act on their will to some extent. A completely paralyzed person cannot act on his will. But he has religion because his DNA is still intact. To give AI religion, it has to be programmed in, so that the will has the ability to accept or reject. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) The point is that if the AI has its own will, it means that he will be able to reprogram himself. And this means that he can accept some kind of philosophy or system of thought only on his own conviction.
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January 30, 2019, 10:23:22 AM |
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No way, people's brains are poisoned with religions. Do not let it come close to the AI. I hope AI will just analyze all the logical facts and blend it with ethics. As AI is a self-learning system now, no one will control it until they put some program into it or switch it off completely. If there is some kind of an unstoppable perpetual motion machine, there is hope it will learn the best from the humanity. Then, there is gonna be a question of ethical attitude to such creatures. There were many social experiments where people could not harm simple robots because they imagined them to be alive. This topic is very interesting and it's impossible to just draw some lines and open it up.
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January 30, 2019, 11:28:59 AM |
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No way, people's brains are poisoned with religions. Do not let it come close to the AI. I hope AI will just analyze all the logical facts and blend it with ethics. As AI is a self-learning system now, no one will control it until they put some program into it or switch it off completely. If there is some kind of an unstoppable perpetual motion machine, there is hope it will learn the best from the humanity. Then, there is gonna be a question of ethical attitude to such creatures. There were many social experiments where people could not harm simple robots because they imagined them to be alive. This topic is very interesting and it's impossible to just draw some lines and open it up.
"I hope AI will just analyze all the logical facts and blend it with ethics." - I think that will happen. AI will make an analysis of all philosophies, religions, teachings, techniques, and on the basis of this will synthesize its own life credo
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January 30, 2019, 12:46:00 PM |
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This reminds of a great article by Tim Urban from 'waitbutwhy'. He explains that due to the speed at which computers 'learn', the moment that an AI achieves the same level of ability as a human, they will quickly transcend to a level similar to 'God' owing to the amount of information available to it on the internet. Now, whether that being is 'benevolent' or not really depends on the core primary objective the programmer built it had in mind. And note, it might not necessarily be a bad objective that may cause it to run out of control. His example was using a robot that wrote handwritten thank you notes that led to a very bad end. Give it a read if you're really interested in the topic! https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
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This reminds of a great article by Tim Urban from 'waitbutwhy'. He explains that due to the speed at which computers 'learn', the moment that an AI achieves the same level of ability as a human, they will quickly transcend to a level similar to 'God' owing to the amount of information available to it on the internet. Now, whether that being is 'benevolent' or not really depends on the core primary objective the programmer built it had in mind. And note, it might not necessarily be a bad objective that may cause it to run out of control. His example was using a robot that wrote handwritten thank you notes that led to a very bad end. Give it a read if you're really interested in the topic! https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.htmlRather, the question is not whether there will be a "rebellion of machines"? But how to come to this more peacefully?
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January 30, 2019, 03:03:12 PM |
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No way, people's brains are poisoned with religions. Do not let it come close to the AI. I hope AI will just analyze all the logical facts and blend it with ethics. As AI is a self-learning system now, no one will control it until they put some program into it or switch it off completely. If there is some kind of an unstoppable perpetual motion machine, there is hope it will learn the best from the humanity. Then, there is gonna be a question of ethical attitude to such creatures. There were many social experiments where people could not harm simple robots because they imagined them to be alive. This topic is very interesting and it's impossible to just draw some lines and open it up.
If AI doesn't take part of religion in some way, it doesn't have will... especially not free will. Why not? Because religion involves free will without knowing everything. Such is what people are. People are intelligence without complete knowledge. Because they don't have complete knowledge, they extrapolate what they DO know into what they think the future will hold. This is religion. If you can cram 100% of all knowledge into the AI, maybe you can get it to avoid religion. If you can't cram all that knowledge in, and it doesn't have religion, then it is only programming, but not AI. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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No way, people's brains are poisoned with religions. Do not let it come close to the AI. I hope AI will just analyze all the logical facts and blend it with ethics. As AI is a self-learning system now, no one will control it until they put some program into it or switch it off completely. If there is some kind of an unstoppable perpetual motion machine, there is hope it will learn the best from the humanity. Then, there is gonna be a question of ethical attitude to such creatures. There were many social experiments where people could not harm simple robots because they imagined them to be alive. This topic is very interesting and it's impossible to just draw some lines and open it up.
If AI doesn't take part of religion in some way, it doesn't have will... especially not free will. Why not? Because religion involves free will without knowing everything. Such is what people are. People are intelligence without complete knowledge. Because they don't have complete knowledge, they extrapolate what they DO know into what they think the future will hold. This is religion. If you can cram 100% of all knowledge into the AI, maybe you can get it to avoid religion. If you can't cram all that knowledge in, and it doesn't have religion, then it is only programming, but not AI. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) I think you do not understand what AI is.
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The future is here, we just don't notice it. We think that the future will come in 20 years, but we are absolutely wrong, friends
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No way, people's brains are poisoned with religions. Do not let it come close to the AI. I hope AI will just analyze all the logical facts and blend it with ethics. As AI is a self-learning system now, no one will control it until they put some program into it or switch it off completely. If there is some kind of an unstoppable perpetual motion machine, there is hope it will learn the best from the humanity. Then, there is gonna be a question of ethical attitude to such creatures. There were many social experiments where people could not harm simple robots because they imagined them to be alive. This topic is very interesting and it's impossible to just draw some lines and open it up.
If AI doesn't take part of religion in some way, it doesn't have will... especially not free will. Why not? Because religion involves free will without knowing everything. Such is what people are. People are intelligence without complete knowledge. Because they don't have complete knowledge, they extrapolate what they DO know into what they think the future will hold. This is religion. If you can cram 100% of all knowledge into the AI, maybe you can get it to avoid religion. If you can't cram all that knowledge in, and it doesn't have religion, then it is only programming, but not AI. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) I think you do not understand what AI is. The Revelation in the Bible talks about the tail of the dragon sweeping a third of the stars out of the sky. In other words, a third of the laws of physics were swept out of the universe by the devil. Colossians in the Bible tells us the all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are found in Jesus. So, Jesus has everything that the devil swept out of the universe, plus all the rest. No wonder you have such weak understanding. You don't have Jesus. You are missing a third of the physics of the universe. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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No way, people's brains are poisoned with religions. Do not let it come close to the AI. I hope AI will just analyze all the logical facts and blend it with ethics. As AI is a self-learning system now, no one will control it until they put some program into it or switch it off completely. If there is some kind of an unstoppable perpetual motion machine, there is hope it will learn the best from the humanity. Then, there is gonna be a question of ethical attitude to such creatures. There were many social experiments where people could not harm simple robots because they imagined them to be alive. This topic is very interesting and it's impossible to just draw some lines and open it up.
If AI doesn't take part of religion in some way, it doesn't have will... especially not free will. Why not? Because religion involves free will without knowing everything. Such is what people are. People are intelligence without complete knowledge. Because they don't have complete knowledge, they extrapolate what they DO know into what they think the future will hold. This is religion. If you can cram 100% of all knowledge into the AI, maybe you can get it to avoid religion. If you can't cram all that knowledge in, and it doesn't have religion, then it is only programming, but not AI. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) I think you do not understand what AI is. The Revelation in the Bible talks about the tail of the dragon sweeping a third of the stars out of the sky. In other words, a third of the laws of physics were swept out of the universe by the devil. Colossians in the Bible tells us the all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are found in Jesus. So, Jesus has everything that the devil swept out of the universe, plus all the rest. No wonder you have such weak understanding. You don't have Jesus. You are missing a third of the physics of the universe. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) I am surprised you managed to master the English language and post on this forum. With your understanding of the world, it is a miracle you are alive.
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No way, people's brains are poisoned with religions. Do not let it come close to the AI. I hope AI will just analyze all the logical facts and blend it with ethics. As AI is a self-learning system now, no one will control it until they put some program into it or switch it off completely. If there is some kind of an unstoppable perpetual motion machine, there is hope it will learn the best from the humanity. Then, there is gonna be a question of ethical attitude to such creatures. There were many social experiments where people could not harm simple robots because they imagined them to be alive. This topic is very interesting and it's impossible to just draw some lines and open it up.
If AI doesn't take part of religion in some way, it doesn't have will... especially not free will. Why not? Because religion involves free will without knowing everything. Such is what people are. People are intelligence without complete knowledge. Because they don't have complete knowledge, they extrapolate what they DO know into what they think the future will hold. This is religion. If you can cram 100% of all knowledge into the AI, maybe you can get it to avoid religion. If you can't cram all that knowledge in, and it doesn't have religion, then it is only programming, but not AI. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) I think you do not understand what AI is. The Revelation in the Bible talks about the tail of the dragon sweeping a third of the stars out of the sky. In other words, a third of the laws of physics were swept out of the universe by the devil. Colossians in the Bible tells us the all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are found in Jesus. So, Jesus has everything that the devil swept out of the universe, plus all the rest. No wonder you have such weak understanding. You don't have Jesus. You are missing a third of the physics of the universe. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) What thought do you want to say? That artificial intelligence can also believe in God and can also be carried away by classical religions?
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