Evidence that 'efxtrader' account changed hands and is now a typical shitposter.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Separate thread for this, as I'm using it for a reference in the neg I'm going to give the member in question.

The efxtrader account was created in November 2014 and could obviously create posts in English that were quite eloquent, like this one:

Nice article, any chance you could do something more in depth around the xMarket offering. For me this is a real killer bitcoin 2.0 application. A first real world practical Distributed Autonomous Corporation (DAC). This is actually much bigger news than folks realise. If this really creates a market place that is self regulating and it has the potential to displace eBay/Amazon/Silkroad all of which are centrally regulated and hence expensive to manage and run.

efxtrader continued to post (in English) up until October 13, 2015, when he wrote this:

I think think he's working on it as a long term project?

Then there's a huge gap, and when the account resumes posting on December 1, 2017 it is on the Indonesian local board with this:

semuanya masih menanti bro btw yang gajian duluan malahan peserta bounty telegram ni yah

He continues to post in Indonesian up until March 26, 2018, and after a gap of a few days he starts writing in English again on April 7, 2018--only this time, the quality of English has turned from eloquent into something that should look familiar to those of us who fight against shitposting:

From my opinion, there is something positive from that policy. That policy can avoid from criminal action like money laundrying and for goverment, that policy can prevent from massive outflow capital.

Cryptocurrency market will more growing in my opinion and its growing bigger. In the future, maybe cryptocurrency become currency and we can make transaction with people instantly and because internet become common

...and so on to the present day.  Thus, I strongly believe this account changed hands at least once in 2017 and is therefore worthy of tagging.  This thread is just to serve as a reference as I said, and efxtrader is more than welcome to defend this accusation.  It's self-moderated to keep the trolls and other assorted useless individuals away.

As an aside, I often hear the complaint that there are a lot of high-ranked accounts that are shitposters and that newbies get picked on unfairly.  I'm on the lookout for high-ranked shitposters with old accounts, because I suspect that some of them have been bought or hacked and have quietly slipped back into the spam megathreads.

Edit:  Dammit, I forgot to make the thread self-moderated.  Oh well.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

He continues to post in Indonesian up until March 26, 2018, and after a gap of a few days he starts writing in English again on April 7, 2018--only this time, the quality of English has turned from eloquent into something that should look familiar to those of us who fight against shitposting:

Adding some more evidence, the password to efxtrader account was changed also in March (4th March, 2018) and we all know change of password mostly occurs when accounts change hands. There was no post made for 5days after the password was changed this could had been a strategy to avoid detention of account change of hands and continued posting in Indonesian for some weeks to also avoid detention before he decided to join a signature campaign (21st March, 2018) and started posting in english again.

SIGNATURE
Bitcointalk username: efxtrader
Forum rank: Full Member
Starting post count: 228
Telegram username: @efxtraders
Ethereum address: 0xBdd976c8688a13175619C9dF7C6f5A1e7Fd9355d

Edit: Possible conclusion: Bought/hacked account by Indonesian with bad english.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

<snip>

Excellent, thank you for that additional info. 

I'm coming to suspect that a lot of the old accounts that you still see shitposting in sections like Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion are bought or hacked--and I mean accounts registered before 2013 or so.  Writing typical nonsense bounty spam wasn't a thing way back then, but it became a huge thing around October 2017 for some reason.  Probably had to do with the spike in price or a mass hacking or selloff of accounts by someone who had a lot of old ones.  Who knows. 

All I know is that real members from back in the early days weren't the type who'd be spamming for bounties in 2019, so I'm going to continue to check them out as I find them.

[VINSIN]

<snip>

Excellent, thank you for that additional info. 

I'm coming to suspect that a lot of the old accounts that you still see shitposting in sections like Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion are bought or hacked--and I mean accounts registered before 2013 or so.  Writing typical nonsense bounty spam wasn't a thing way back then, but it became a huge thing around October 2017 for some reason.  Probably had to do with the spike in price or a mass hacking or selloff of accounts by someone who had a lot of old ones.  Who knows. 

All I know is that real members from back in the early days weren't the type who'd be spamming for bounties in 2019, so I'm going to continue to check them out as I find them.

It was a thing in 2015, so 2017 it's way too much time back. Shit posting on alt discussions started in late 2016 early 2017 and went nuts arround may 2017. but way more back.

But yeah it's a sold acc.

[eddie13]

I looked at this last night but got sidetracked at the time..

It's a net-negative megathread shitposter with decent evidence for it's sale so it can be tagged..

What I went for was who was paying for these megathread shitposts.
I looked in the bounty thread but it was just closed, I didn't find a spreadsheet for proof of acceptance or payments, and the registration seems to have been done offsite on telegram..

What do you think about the people incentivising this spam?
When you find such shitposters in signature campaigns shouldn't the campaign manager get a warning neutral or something to stop funding this filth and an eventual red if they continue to do so?

I'm on the lookout for high-ranked shitposters with old accounts

Cool!
While you are at it do you think anyone should be looking into those paying them too?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

While you are at it do you think anyone should be looking into those paying them too?

I do this on my own time and receive no compensation for doing it.  Why don't YOU look into who's paying for these morons to post?

In any case, it would be one hell of a task for a bounty manager to find every one of these bought accounts.  It took me about 20 minutes to compile enough evidence just to bust this one account, so I highly doubt a BM is going to go through all of his applicants checking for this stuff, even if he cared to do so.  Nor do I think it's their responsibility.  They want members who are going to post and I'll bet most BMs don't care whether the account has changed hands or not.  That's a battle that only some of us have chosen to fight.

[Cashi]

If you have some additional time, you can have a look at a farm of 13 bought accounts. I detected their abuse last year and compiled the evidence, I'll just copy the important part referring to the bought accounts. All accounts are only Members but I think if the aren't tagged they might be sold again:  

All of them are hacked or sold accounts, they were inactive for some time and all woke up in mid-july 2018 to start posting for signature campaigns. I’ve noted their posting gaps and the date when they woke up again:  

Account	Registration date	Posting gap last post	Posting gap next post	Archive
wedar001	January 16, 2014, 08:28:23 AM	September 20, 2016, 01:35:03 PM	July 14, 2018, 03:25:44 AM	http://archive.is/QUEqw#selection-343.5-343.31
littleheart	December 05, 2013, 10:32:37 AM	September 28, 2017, 12:26:15 PM	July 14, 2018, 03:45:52 AM	http://archive.is/h3CbE#selection-1603.5-1603.31
harm	June 01, 2011, 08:33:07 AM	April 23, 2013, 10:05:23 PM	April 10, 2018, 08:06:12 PM	http://archive.is/YdC3e#selection-1047.1-1047.32 started normal posting also on July 14,2018
5stringer	January 12, 2013, 07:24:57 PM	April 07, 2014, 01:30:31 PM	July 14, 2018, 04:11:51 AM	http://archive.is/nyeoe#selection-1463.1-1463.32
dudeguy	May 10, 2013, 02:43:42	AM August 21, 2013, 01:50:22 AM	July 14, 2018, 04:15:10 AM	http://archive.is/HN0to#selection-1051.5-1051.31
CycleSurfer	December 09, 2013, 03:05:07 PM	December 16, 2014, 04:05:08 AM	July 14, 2018, 04:22:55 AM	http://archive.is/l2A2s#selection-1183.5-1183.31
philX	October 27, 2013, 09:46:37 AM	June 16, 2015, 10:52:33 AM	July 14, 2018, 04:34:23 AM	http://archive.is/Rkrng#selection-347.5-347.31
madoka	January 09, 2014, 03:43:01 PM	November 22, 2016, 12:40:04 PM	July 16, 2018, 04:46:35 AM	http://archive.is/AMkZN#selection-1047.5-1047.31
AaronVanW	January 06, 2014, 01:21:20 PM	October 08, 2015, 12:58:33 PM	July 14, 2018, 04:48:39 AM	http://archive.is/pKgJ9#selection-347.5-347.31
pryzh	January 15, 2014, 11:10:53 AM	May 20, 2015, 10:18:53 AM	July 14, 2018, 05:30:42 AM	http://archive.is/x5yPH#selection-903.5-903.32
Vasya	April 29, 2013, 02:28:42 PM	May 21, 2015, 04:30:47 PM	July 16, 2018, 04:57:07 AM	http://archive.is/ff7G1#selection-1599.5-1599.31
funkenschuster	February 09, 2013, 01:23:46 PM	November 12, 2015, 12:55:28 PM	July 14, 2018, 05:50:59 AM	http://archive.is/HIH36#selection-1463.5-1463.31
SFminer	November 22, 2013, 07:43:23 PM	July 29, 2016, 01:37:12 PM	July 17, 2018, 07:18:37 AM	http://archive.is/KxX1P#selection-969.5-969.31

My complete report is here. Originally, I reported them for cheating a bounty. I've tagged them when I made my report, but I'm not on DT.

Edit: It's a mix of former Chinese, German, Dutch and Russian accounts.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If you have some additional time, you can have a look at a farm of 13 bought accounts. <snip>

Yes, but it may take some time.  I appreciate the input--those are exactly the kinds of accounts I would suspect are bought/hacked, though I haven't looked at their posting history yet. 

It's not surprising they haven't ranked up higher than they did because of those gaps.

[Cashi]

Yes, but it may take some time.  I appreciate the input--those are exactly the kinds of accounts I would suspect are bought/hacked, though I haven't looked at their posting history yet. 

It's not surprising they haven't ranked up higher than they did because of those gaps.

No problem, they seem to be inactive right now (2 of them enrolled in Ethereum Classic Vision signature campaign, but stopped posting after 1 week). Most of the evidence is already archived (posting gap).

[eddie13]

I do this on my own time and receive no compensation for doing it.  Why don't YOU look into who's paying for these morons to post?
[/quote]
Right..
That's sort of what I was getting at, wondering if you thought it would be worthwhile to also look into who is paying such megathread shitposters for their megathread shitposts, and on what grounds, and what standard..

In any case, it would be one hell of a task for a bounty manager to find every one of these bought accounts.  It took me about 20 minutes to compile enough evidence just to bust this one account, so I highly doubt a BM is going to go through all of his applicants checking for this stuff, even if he cared to do so.  Nor do I think it's their responsibility.  They want members who are going to post and I'll bet most BMs don't care whether the account has changed hands or not.  That's a battle that only some of us have chosen to fight.

I don't think it is the bounty managers responsibility to worry about sold accounts or most anything they deserve a tag for, but it is the managers responsibility to hold some standard of post quality.
What that standard is and what should be done about it I don't know but this account is probably atleast close to borderline..

This thread probably isn't the place to discuss the topic anyway. I will think about it for a while and maybe discuss it later..
Anyway, good job..

[efxtrader]

Dear sir,

I want to defend my self that i am not bought this account. Is because i am change to post in english thread so i am accused bought this account? Yes, I am Indonesian and i am change to english post because the topic in local indonesia board limited and its more various in english post.

Its true that i am change my password but its because my security. Someone trying my enter my account. I can not give a prove to you about this but is it a my fault if i am change my password? And about gap posting, i am forget what i do between 5 days but its clearly not more than a year or months.

Hopely with this information can clear something.

Regards

[TheNewAnon135246]

Dear sir,

I want to defend my self that i am not bought this account. Is because i am change to post in english thread so i am accused bought this account? Yes, I am Indonesian and i am change to english post because the topic in local indonesia board limited and its more various in english post.

Its true that i am change my password but its because my security. Someone trying my enter my account. I can not give a prove to you about this but is it a my fault if i am change my password? And about gap posting, i am forget what i do between 5 days but its clearly not more than a year or months.

Hopely with this information can clear something.

Regards

You went from speaking flawless English to making simple grammar mistakes. This whole accusation couldn't be more obvious.

[efxtrader]

Dear sir,

I want to defend my self that i am not bought this account. Is because i am change to post in english thread so i am accused bought this account? Yes, I am Indonesian and i am change to english post because the topic in local indonesia board limited and its more various in english post.

Its true that i am change my password but its because my security. Someone trying my enter my account. I can not give a prove to you about this but is it a my fault if i am change my password? And about gap posting, i am forget what i do between 5 days but its clearly not more than a year or months.

Hopely with this information can clear something.

Regards

You went from speaking flawless English to making simple grammar mistakes. This whole accusation couldn't be more obvious.

Sir, i am Indonesian and i can not sure you my english is good but because my english grammar mistake, i am breaking the rules?

[TheNewAnon135246]

Dear sir,

I want to defend my self that i am not bought this account. Is because i am change to post in english thread so i am accused bought this account? Yes, I am Indonesian and i am change to english post because the topic in local indonesia board limited and its more various in english post.

Its true that i am change my password but its because my security. Someone trying my enter my account. I can not give a prove to you about this but is it a my fault if i am change my password? And about gap posting, i am forget what i do between 5 days but its clearly not more than a year or months.

Hopely with this information can clear something.

Regards

You went from speaking flawless English to making simple grammar mistakes. This whole accusation couldn't be more obvious.

Sir, i am Indonesian and i can not sure you my english is good but because my english grammar mistake, i am breaking the rules?

Let me keep this simple. Look at the post history of your account:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765360.msg9726169#msg9726169
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765360.msg9715888#msg9715888
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765360.msg9663690#msg9663690
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765360.msg10278426#msg10278426

All of these posts are written in (near) perfect English. Your current posts are written in poor English. It is highly obvious that you are not the original owner of the account, hence the negative feedback that people left you.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Sir, i am Indonesian and i can not sure you my english is good but because my english grammar mistake, i am breaking the rules?

Nope you were not tagged because you broke any rule if you break rules you'll be banned. Your account was tagged by DT's because it has change of hands (ownership) written all over it.  Read this reply to understand more.  After you applied to join a signature campaign you started posting in english again but this time the english isn't the same like your previous ones.  The tag is just as a warning as this account can't be trusted but you're free to continue posting in forum.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Is because i am change to post in english thread so i am accused bought this account?

Nope, but that's part of the evidence.

Its true that i am change my password but its because my security. Someone trying my enter my account. I can not give a prove to you about this but is it a my fault if i am change my password?

I never even mentioned anything about a password change, but explain to me how someone "tried" to gain access to your account, and how you somehow thwarted that attempt by changing your password.  That just doesn't make sense to me.

And about gap posting, i am forget what i do between 5 days but its clearly not more than a year or months.

Uh, I showed in the OP where the enormous gap was, and it was more than 5 days:

Then there's a huge gap, and when the account resumes posting on December 1, 2017 it is on the Indonesian local board with this:

semuanya masih menanti bro btw yang gajian duluan malahan peserta bounty telegram ni yah

He continues to post in Indonesian up until March 26, 2018, and after a gap of a few days he starts writing in English again on April 7, 2018--only this time, the quality of English has turned from eloquent into something that should look familiar to those of us who fight against shitposting:

From my opinion, there is something positive from that policy. That policy can avoid from criminal action like money laundrying and for goverment, that policy can prevent from massive outflow capital.

And no, your defense is weak and doesn't clear up anything.  It only exposes you as a liar as well as an account buyer or a hacker.

Sir, i am Indonesian and i can not sure you my english is good but because my english grammar mistake, i am breaking the rules?

This has nothing to do with the quality of your English or your nationality.  It has to do with account buying/hacking.

[efxtrader]

Dear sir,

I don't know how to explain like DT members want because the accusations are only based on assumptions. In this post, I was immediately put to the point of being a defendant and a suspect and must be guilty

First, about my English. Perspective of a person is certainly different about the good or not of someone's language and surely language is written or spoken based on the mood or the person being spoken to. And perspective is certainly not strong evidence.

The second is about changing passwords. Is the person changing the password a proof of trading account? If this happens, surely people will worry about the security of their account because it cannot be changed except with the approval of DT member.

I will accept this accusation if I switch from posting on board Indonesia to the Russian Board for example, but this does not happen in my account.

I am sure that the DT members are people who understand the accusations and certainly do not want to be prosecutors and executors at the same time. And even if it becomes a claimant, it must be based on very strong evidence and not based on assumptions because the assumptions of each person must be different. It would be very unfortunate if DT member made an accusation and immediately sentenced him only based on assumptions.

This incident was like I was accused of having an affair just because I didn't reply to messages for days, and she said the proof was that you didn't reply to my message.  


Regards.

[Lauda]

-snip-

Just cut the bullshit. Nobody is going to believe that, therefore you will remain tagged.

[nutildah]

I'm on the lookout for high-ranked shitposters with old accounts, because I suspect that some of them have been bought or hacked and have quietly slipped back into the spam megathreads.

I got one for you:

kodtycoon https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=174773

This person was big on spearheading NEM marketing back near its inception, then I was quite surprised to come across one of their posts and see their IQ had dropped about 50 points. They pretty much only use it to apply to sig campaigns these days. I gave them a neutral trust warning that the account had changed hands.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I got one for you:

kodtycoon https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=174773

I looked at his post history (not all of his posts, of which there are many), and I'm not so sure about this one.  His English wasn't excellent in 2014 and is about the same right now, except that his posts seem to be very much like all the other bounty shitposters in content--just vapid statements with generalizations that could be made by anyone.  There is a post gap in 2015-16, but it's only a few months and the quality didn't seem to change much after that.

Not enough evidence in this case for me to tag him, but thanks for looking out for these bought/hacked accounts.

All of them are hacked or sold accounts, they were inactive for some time and all woke up in mid-july 2018 to start posting for signature campaigns. I’ve noted their posting gaps and the date when they woke up again: <snip>

Looks like Gunthar tagged them all, which I appreciate since I'm not in the mood for any detective work right now and might not be back scouting out the bought accounts for a couple of weeks.