Anti EU; capitalists Brits, are facing economic crisis due to Brexit

[mOgliE]

The EU forced the destruction of a lot of our high quality farming to enforce their inferior standards. It was heartbreaking to see tradition English apple orchards in Kent being burnt, just so that we could import French pap for cider making.

Hey hey hey don't put ALL the blame on the EU now ^^

I mean you can't blame them for putting some basic health standards. But I don't see how this relates to the end of some parts of English production.

And sorry to say that but England is as well known for its agriculture than France for its cars xD

[KingScorpio]

The EU forced the destruction of a lot of our high quality farming to enforce their inferior standards. It was heartbreaking to see tradition English apple orchards in Kent being burnt, just so that we could import French pap for cider making.

Hey hey hey don't put ALL the blame on the EU now ^^

I mean you can't blame them for putting some basic health standards. But I don't see how this relates to the end of some parts of English production.

And sorry to say that but England is as well known for its agriculture than France for its cars xD

i can imagine how their high quality farming standards where,

landlords plus a lot of impoverisched farmworkers. burning off a lot of humans in agriculture, can indeed improve the bloodtaste in agriculture (imagine the apples you ate on breakfast have costs 20 children the schooleducation how nice).

we can reintroduce those farming standards in uk, but the average englischmen will then be imagined similar like the average african or indian slum dweller,

without constantly printing money and driving their foreign trade deficit with foreigners, the brits will become poor as hell.

the english nobility who ran and managed those human labour intensive farms (house of lords) remember much better how it was, thats why they are so different regarding the EU membership compared with the house of commons

and without any internal divisions the nobility oppose the BREXIT.

[MeEsH BaCcA]

the queen should throw a coin in the future, too decide on such election, saves a lot of money/ressources etc.

the usa has these 50+-1% elections since decades already

The Queen is a constitutional monarch, she has no powers over the government and the crown is not supposed to express any opinion regarding such matters. Basically shes powerless to do anything and that's a a good thing as she is unelected. However there are rumors she was for Brexit.

There is a huge bias from the media here pushing the vote was a mistake and the leave voters are uneducated proles who should vote again for the correct choice, bringing into question the democratic system. Members of parliament are largely against the idea of Brexit too, it's all a bit of a mess. If you look at the voting results only the major cities like London and Birmingham voted leave along with the majority of Scotland & Northern Ireland... Even the Welsh were majority leave!   

[KingScorpio]

the queen should throw a coin in the future, too decide on such election, saves a lot of money/ressources etc.

the usa has these 50+-1% elections since decades already

The Queen is a constitutional monarch, she has no powers over the government and the crown is not supposed to express any opinion regarding such matters. Basically shes powerless to do anything and that's a a good thing as she is unelected. However there are rumors she was for Brexit.

There is a huge bias from the media here pushing the vote was a mistake and the leave voters are uneducated proles who should vote again for the correct choice, bringing into question the democratic system. Members of parliament are largely against the idea of Brexit too, it's all a bit of a mess. If you look at the voting results only the major cities like London and Birmingham voted leave along with the majority of Scotland & Northern Ireland... Even the Welsh were majority leave!   

i dont really care what the brits voted for i know they will suffer extremly for that. i am not living there. so i dont care

[MeEsH BaCcA]

i dont really care what the brits voted for i know they will suffer extremly for that. i am not living there. so i dont care

Should stop creating shitposts then  

Either way I'm sure you'll be disappointed with the outcome having views like that. Shouldn't wish suffering on anyone, you never know whats round the corner.

Edit: Kingscorpio, I'm going to have to call you out on some of your misguided bollocks. The UK created what is now known as the welfare state, there is no such thing as poverty as could be aligned to any global definition in any UK country. Sure, its not perfect no system ever is but compared to some first world nations it's fantastic. We have the NHS which should be the Global standard for healthcare, again run poorly but if I injure myself in any way or have even the most debilitating illness it will be treated FOC no questions asked. Our welfare system houses, feeds and makes sure no person would ever suffer or be caused harm through not having the financial capability to afford such protections unlike some first world countries. I'm not sure what your beef is with the people of the UK but perhaps if you could articulate it better we could have a proper discussion regarding the issues you have. Please don't tar everyone with your tainted brush, we're not all bad.   

[KingScorpio]

i dont really care what the brits voted for i know they will suffer extremly for that. i am not living there. so i dont care

Should stop creating shitposts then  

Either way I'm sure you'll be disappointed with the outcome having views like that. Shouldn't wish suffering on anyone, you never know whats round the corner.

Edit: Kingscorpio, I'm going to have to call you out on some of your misguided bollocks. The UK created what is now known as the welfare state, there is no such thing as poverty as could be aligned to any global definition in any UK country. Sure, its not perfect no system ever is but compared to some first world nations it's fantastic. We have the NHS which should be the Global standard for healthcare, again run poorly but if I injure myself in any way or have even the most debilitating illness it will be treated FOC no questions asked. Our welfare system houses, feeds and makes sure no person would ever suffer or be caused harm through not having the financial capability to afford such protections unlike some first world countries. I'm not sure what your beef is with the people of the UK but perhaps if you could articulate it better we could have a proper discussion regarding the issues you have. Please don't tar everyone with your tainted brush, we're not all bad.  

i dont know what shitpost you are writing here, i said the brits will pay an economic price for leaving the EU, i dont live in uk, and i wont waste my energy and ressources telling them to rethink their decision i have important personal stuff to do, why should i? just look how ignorant the uk forum members here are (like you). why waste energy time and ressources for their benefit? how many millions did the eu supporters invest, and how many millions the eu enemies, its pointless as a single individual to join arguing the "big debate"

its much more comfortable to let the brits run into their knive.

figure out how to feed yourself without foreign trade deficit then, printing money and buying stuff abroad then

the brits should learn from their own stupidity then.

but its not necessarily just stupidity 48% just got improsioned by the other 52%.

nothing can be done about that thats the way of the communal democracy

[MeEsH BaCcA]

No, you said brits will suffer extremely for their vote, let’s not get into semantics anyway.

If you don’t want to waste your energy over something you don’t care about as you don’t live there stop creating threads about it, or at least have a constructive discussion on why your issues are.

52% v 48% that is democracy, the people voted and that vote should be acted upon, what would you suggest be done? I get socialist autocracy vibes from you but I could be wrong...

I’m happy to discuss what is really going on in the UK from a citizen perspective and could probably shed some light on why the vote went the way it did if you’d like to have a discussion on the subject or you can just call us stupid some more.

Edit to add some trade deficit numbers:

UK goods imports from the EU, 2017
Largest import: Motor Vehicules £46.8 Billion 18% of all imports nearly all German.
Medicinal and pharmaceutical supplies 20.3 Billion  7.9% of imports
Electrical machinery and appliances 11.5 Billion  4.4% of imports Again nearly all German.
Way way way down the list
Vegetables and fruit 6.9 Billion 2.9% of Imports.
Source: HMRC, UK Trade Info

I reckon if we start starving we can cut back on the German motors and dishwashers a little bit.

[KingScorpio]

No, you said brits will suffer extremely for their vote, let’s not get into semantics anyway.

If you don’t want to waste your energy over something you don’t care about as you don’t live there stop creating threads about it, or at least have a constructive discussion on why your issues are.

52% v 48% that is democracy, the people voted and that vote should be acted upon, what would you suggest be done? I get socialist autocracy vibes from you but I could be wrong...

I’m happy to discuss what is really going on in the UK from a citizen perspective and could probably shed some light on why the vote went the way it did if you’d like to have a discussion on the subject or you can just call us stupid some more.

well i dont care in regard that i have the luck to live savely outside of the UK,

i said actually already what the issue is. the brits are to capitalistic, they print to much money, while rest of world is being forced to work value into that money,

its time the brits learn to do the opposite a bit.

let's see how it will feel like when polish, portugese, spanish etc. run easily into the central banks like you do! and look for money earning cattle in the uk to enrich themselves privatly, thats where the foreign trade deficit comes from . actually.

nowhere in the developed world there is such a huge foreign trade deficit than i uk and usa.

[KingScorpio]

No, you said brits will suffer extremely for their vote, let’s not get into semantics anyway.

If you don’t want to waste your energy over something you don’t care about as you don’t live there stop creating threads about it, or at least have a constructive discussion on why your issues are.

52% v 48% that is democracy, the people voted and that vote should be acted upon, what would you suggest be done? I get socialist autocracy vibes from you but I could be wrong...

I’m happy to discuss what is really going on in the UK from a citizen perspective and could probably shed some light on why the vote went the way it did if you’d like to have a discussion on the subject or you can just call us stupid some more.

Edit to add some trade deficit numbers:

UK goods imports from the EU, 2017
Largest import: Motor Vehicules £46.8 Billion 18% of all imports nearly all German.
Medicinal and pharmaceutical supplies 20.3 Billion  7.9% of imports
Electrical machinery and appliances 11.5 Billion  4.4% of imports Again nearly all German.
Way way way down the list
Vegetables and fruit 6.9 Billion 2.9% of Imports.
Source: HMRC, UK Trade Info

I reckon if we start starving we can cut back on the German motors and dishwashers a little bit.

you are not holding a global monopoly on printing money and massing on foreign trade deficit,

how about you look to fund german, japanese and chinese debt? like they had to do that 70 years after the second world war? that was, what made you so rich in the first place.

[mOgliE]

I’m happy to discuss what is really going on in the UK from a citizen perspective and could probably shed some light on why the vote went the way it did if you’d like to have a discussion on the subject or you can just call us stupid some more.

Hey.

Always happy to have the point of view of someone living in a very different society than mine.

What is your explanation of this vote? Why did the British people think it was a good thing to leave EU? From a citizen perspective as you said

[KingScorpio]

I’m happy to discuss what is really going on in the UK from a citizen perspective and could probably shed some light on why the vote went the way it did if you’d like to have a discussion on the subject or you can just call us stupid some more.

Hey.

Always happy to have the point of view of someone living in a very different society than mine.

What is your explanation of this vote? Why did the British people think it was a good thing to leave EU? From a citizen perspective as you said

they have a feeling the "elites" are too globalist, and dont support help the small traditional average person anymore (farmer etc.)

[MeEsH BaCcA]

I give up.

In breif mOgliE, there has been discontent with the powers the EU courts swayed over regulations in the UK, along with the EUs absurd desire for an EU army which was laughed at by the media and the remain campaign as a fear moungering conspiracy theory.

There is a stark North/South wealth divide in the UK, with the majority of the wealth centred around London in the south however the north used to be the industrial and mining heartland, industry which has been decimated in the last few decades. The UK is the second largest net contributor into the EU (only 11 out of 28 eu countries are net contributors) and there has been growing feeling in the poorer northern parts of the UK that the EU subscription fees could be better spent in areas closer to home than for new roads in Eastern Europe.

Then there is the NHS, a fanstasic but under funded organisation, getting around £1.6 Billion in funding a year but needing around double that to improve the ever declining service and ever increasing waiting times. Now none of that is the EUs fault and it’s poorly managed but many in the country see it as an institution that should be protected at any cost.

The media however, portray anyone who votes leave as a xenophobic nationalist, which in the vast majority of cases is a complete falsehood. There are the uneducated trolls, but both sides have them. Which leads me on to free movement of people, any EU citizen has the right to work or live in any other EU country something most people welcome very much due to our aging population, however due to our welfare system it’s very much open to abuse... I.e you could until recently claim child benefits for children not living in the country, without any proof you have children... can you imagine how abused that was! And it was a driver behind some of the people’s views on restricting freedom of movement.

[KingScorpio]

I give up.

i also give up being trapped in a 50+-1% democracy prison is no fun.

many brits will feel this imprisionment,

[MeEsH BaCcA]

Ok I’ll bite 

If you don’t agree with democracy (or capitalism), then like I asked earlier, what is a better solution. A socialist autocracy?

[mOgliE]

A socialist autocracy?

I don't think anyone can be socialist and against democracy. Against representative democracy yeah, but not against direct democracy.
Socialism is basically believing in the people so socialism means you need to give power to the people. Otherwise you're just in a dictatorship that's all.

In breif mOgliE, there has been discontent with the powers the EU courts swayed over regulations in the UK, along with the EUs absurd desire for an EU army which was laughed at by the media and the remain campaign as a fear moungering conspiracy theory.

[...]Now none of that is the EUs fault and it’s poorly managed but many in the country see it as an institution that should be protected at any cost.

I think I understand what you mean. It seems to me that most EU countries put too much blame on the EU itself. EU isn't responsible for much, national policies are horrible and EU is just the shit on the top.

Anyway I don't see how leaving an autocratic institution led by lobbyist can be a bad idea.

[KingScorpio]

Ok I’ll bite  

If you don’t agree with democracy (or capitalism), then like I asked earlier, what is a better solution. A socialist autocracy?

traditionally the brits are a monarchy

and not even just traditionally,

they actually have a legend where divinities place a sword that can only be pulled by their future king

[mOgliE]

traditionally the brits are a monarchy

and not even just traditionally,

they actually have a legend where divinities place a sword that can only be pulled by their future king

So... You propose... A monarchy...

And you want to be taken seriously?

[KingScorpio]

traditionally the brits are a monarchy

and not even just traditionally,

they actually have a legend where divinities place a sword that can only be pulled by their future king

So... You propose... A monarchy...

And you want to be taken seriously?

nope i am just saying you what divinities meant for the brits,

those that are atheists dont like this version,

those that are not atheists willl see a confirmation, when the brits will now try to apply a russian/GDR style communism.

because thats their alternative

brits will either look like old fashioned communists or capitalist scammers, roger ver, electroneum, etc.

oh and yes those that belive in the almightiness and perfection of divinities will basically think you have no choice and all attempts doing something else will get you burned in hell and they will in my oppinion get a very likely confirmation observing you applying communism  its alreadey visible with thersa may. the 50+-1% election crap that costs you millions, the foreign trade deficits, the economic crisis, being bossed around by the EU, you piss off the divinities, you get hell from them. uk was once the biggest and most powerful kingdom in the world

i personally can see that already. looks like a form of hell to me, you are in, leaving the EU will just make it worse.

the growing atheism and communism in uk also makes you a modern equivalent to the barbarians that the roman empire has fought against, you are in a conflict with rest of europe that has no idea weather they can rely on you.its exactly the same like it was 2 millenias ago for roman empire and the british isle back then. thats remarkable.

now good luck with immitating communism

[e-coinomist]

the brits anti EU stance, is leading them towards a exampleless economic crisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dalcUgxvvU

they will even will look into the ugly face of starvation due to their anti EU stance.

Most likely outcome will be a "no-deal brexit" and comicians are pointing out fun facts like a "hard brexit" when pharma import companies start hoarding Viagra 

Another Fun Fact https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/george-soros-bank-of-england.asp the fortune of George Soros originated from going short against the Bank of England. History repeats.

[KingScorpio]

the brits anti EU stance, is leading them towards a exampleless economic crisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dalcUgxvvU

they will even will look into the ugly face of starvation due to their anti EU stance.

Most likely outcome will be a "no-deal brexit" and comicians are pointing out fun facts like a "hard brexit" when pharma import companies start hoarding Viagra 

Another Fun Fact https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/george-soros-bank-of-england.asp the fortune of George Soros originated from going short against the Bank of England. History repeats.

of course no deal brexit will be the outcome, did you ever try to learn/understand how complicated EU legislature and judicary decisions are?

no way they can do a decision in less then 2 years