All ICO driven altcoins will drop to zero in the longterm. Just by logic.

[Veddi]

So you think all icos are scam? I understand this from your thoughts. We can not think of all projects in the same context. Some of them are honest and doing their job. And they work really hard.

I said that a scam ICO is just a faster progress of dumping token money than a non-scam initiated ICO.
And even the legit ones are honest and work hard, they still need to pay workers. Guess how!

[Veddi]

It´s completely clear that all Coins/Tokens will be valued zero. Why?

1) Because they are not securities. You don´t own any shares of the companies. You don`t get any dividends from their gains in the future (if any of them has the capability to earn FIAT money in the future).
2) ICO ... Initial Coin Offering, it´s just an other form of crowd funding. What´s the main problem with this approach? You finance the companies business operations. They must sell their tokens to sustain running their business. Or do you think they earn money other than in cryptocurrency? No, they don´t. It will last until all tokens are sold, then this companies are down and out. Simple. You sit on worthless tokens. Scams are just the rapid version of this process. Would ever a venture capital company invest FIAT into their business? Zero price is inevitable.
3) Point 1 and 2 are not clear for many users here ... It´s a big pump and dump scheme. Greater fools theory, not more not less.

Now I want to hear your opinions. We don´t talk about Bitcoin here, just about altcoins.

Based on your logic, those coins that we buy or get in some way, you need to sell and hold them does not make sense, because their price will be equal to 0. I do not think so, because each coin has its own value, thanks to its technology, which is supported and enhanced by developers.

Ok, let's divide utility tokens from the big rest. No utility means 0 in long term. Even utility doesn´t guarantee value if technology behind the project won`t be adapted by the mass.

[vanya.pronin.1983]

I think that the fact that they will need to sell their tokens does not play any role. They can also burn their tokens to increase the token value as all the major coins or tokens are doing at this moment.

[maksimukr1989]

So you think all icos are scam? I understand this from your thoughts. We can not think of all projects in the same context. Some of them are honest and doing their job. And they work really hard.

I said that a scam ICO is just a faster progress of dumping token money than a non-scam initiated ICO.
And even the legit ones are honest and work hard, they still need to pay workers. Guess how!

Not quite the right logic.What if tokens are interesting to ordinary users and they are in demand?Yes,it is possible to pay employees by selling tokens, but this is a drop in the ocean if the volume of sales of these tokens is very large.

[BQ]

 this is a good post and in simple terms it's correct, but any   serious ICO-funded projects, wouldn't just dump all their tokens?
it's the same as going bankrupt or something, there's hardly volume enough for 99% to sustain a dump, and when dev wallets start dumping, all trust is gone

[Veddi]

this is a good post and in simple terms it's correct, but any   serious ICO-funded projects, wouldn't just dump all their tokens?
it's the same as going bankrupt or something, there's hardly volume enough for 99% to sustain a dump, and when dev wallets start dumping, all trust is gone

No, don't misunderstand. A serious ICO project don't get fiat money to sustain business, they need to get it with selling tokens. No need to dump all coins or tokens immediatelly, just enough to pay monthly bills. But it's a question of time until the company has no more tokens left. This is the problem. Let's suppose that a specific ICO with good tech behind will grow and will earn fiat money or pushed into a real IPO. Then tokens are worthless anyway. Token holders won't get any shares from holding tokens, and IPO leads to stock investing. And if there is not a positive outlook, company goes broke - same problem, worthless tokens.

I need to dive more into the "utility" part of tokens, how they are in circulations, burned, utilized .... as some users exclude them from the logic path here, what I accept. From that point I include all tokens, which were only created to fund business. Those will definitely go to zero.

[andreibi]

The goal of every altcoin/token that started in an ICO is to be used as a utility coin. There is a need for it, its not obvious but it will be clearer in the future. Some will die because the use case is still uneconomical or further from maturity as an ecosystem.

[Nasonn]

I tend to disagree. Just because there was an ICO won't lead to these altcoins dropping to zero. If the altcoin is backed by demanding utility, it will definitely survive the test of time.

[labilaab]

I get your point. As time goes by really seeing this spouting nonsense tokens in the market, they are as if no use in blockchain technology already. But incase for Ethereum and bitcoin they still have the worth like a fiat money.

[voron83-05]

Not all projects will slide to zero, because there are many worthy projects that have a promising product behind their backs!

[richcorner100]

I dont think so all altcoin will going to zero, last year in 2018 all altcoin dumped hard because in previous year the price was going up to high. In 2017 alot of altcoin was going up 50 to 100 times less than 1 years so in 2018 many investor and trader take profit. Blockchain and cryptocurrency was adoptep in many different industry and already give many benefits so with more adoption the demand will increase later.

[suprex333]

I don't think that the ICO-driven altcoin will return to zero, maybe only some of them don't have a future. But a coin that has potential will be far better and possess a future.

[Vektrum]

For ICO projects, no promotions are needed. In cryptocurrency, there is a completely different form of existence. In the course of ICO, tokens are issued, and securities are not needed to tokens. The tokens in the ICO have also recommended themselves well, so you should not change anything here. Soon, some reformers are ready to return from the cryptocurrency back to the normal stock market. We do not need it.

[wxxyrqa]

For ICO projects, no promotions are needed. In cryptocurrency, there is a completely different form of existence. In the course of ICO, tokens are issued, and securities are not needed to tokens. The tokens in the ICO have also recommended themselves well, so you should not change anything here. Soon, some reformers are ready to return from the cryptocurrency back to the normal stock market. We do not need it.

if it refers to cryptocurrency as securities, then it is likely that the future of tokens is quite promising, if their projects are in demand in society, then the value of these coins will be quite satisfactory. But what if the coins lose their relevance over time, even though the project will work without loss?

[Omela44]

It´s completely clear that all Coins/Tokens will be valued zero. Why?

1) Because they are not securities. You don´t own any shares of the companies. You don`t get any dividends from their gains in the future (if any of them has the capability to earn FIAT money in the future).
2) ICO ... Initial Coin Offering, it´s just an other form of crowd funding. What´s the main problem with this approach? You finance the companies business operations. They must sell their tokens to sustain running their business. Or do you think they earn money other than in cryptocurrency? No, they don´t. It will last until all tokens are sold, then this companies are down and out. Simple. You sit on worthless tokens. Scams are just the rapid version of this process. Would ever a venture capital company invest FIAT into their business? Zero price is inevitable.
3) Point 1 and 2 are not clear for many users here ... It´s a big pump and dump scheme. Greater fools theory, not more not less.

Now I want to hear your opinions. We don´t talk about Bitcoin here, just about altcoins.

I find that very interesting, what you write and the more i think about it, you seem to be right. Nevertheless, i think that will not apply to all tokens. Some tokens are there to be used on certain web pages, e.g. to rent a car or similar. Hopefully, these tokens will always hold a certain value.

[Mr.Noda]

Most undoubtedly significantly fall in price, but some coins even feel very good today.

[ableh]

I don't think that the ICO-driven altcoin will return to zero, maybe only some of them don't have a future. But a coin that has potential will be far better and possess a future.

Indeed, it cannot be denied that not all ICO tokens will end at zero valued, but the fact that most of them after listing in the exchange price are always undervalued. And if this continues, I am sure the future of ICO will no longer exist.

[Akpuv]

It´s completely clear that all Coins/Tokens will be valued zero. Why?

1) Because they are not securities. You don´t own any shares of the companies. You don`t get any dividends from their gains in the future (if any of them has the capability to earn FIAT money in the future).
2) ICO ... Initial Coin Offering, it´s just an other form of crowd funding. What´s the main problem with this approach? You finance the companies business operations. They must sell their tokens to sustain running their business. Or do you think they earn money other than in cryptocurrency? No, they don´t. It will last until all tokens are sold, then this companies are down and out. Simple. You sit on worthless tokens. Scams are just the rapid version of this process. Would ever a venture capital company invest FIAT into their business? Zero price is inevitable.
3) Point 1 and 2 are not clear for many users here ... It´s a big pump and dump scheme. Greater fools theory, not more not less.

Now I want to hear your opinions. We don´t talk about Bitcoin here, just about altcoins.

I very much agree with you. Even if it doesn't return to zero completely, it will be something way close to it. Even considering the way some of the tokens have performed badly, hitting zero or a worthless value in 2 years is inevitable.

[tippytoes]

I tend to disagree. Just because there was an ICO won't lead to these altcoins dropping to zero. If the altcoin is backed by demanding utility, it will definitely survive the test of time.

Definitely. Not all ICO-driven projects will be valued to zero. I have seen few promising projects that have real working product already. And they have solid partnerships. I think the OP is frustrated enough with all these ICO scammers but I still believe that there are good ones that will emerge from this market.

[evanescence]

It´s completely clear that all Coins/Tokens will be valued zero. Why?

1) Because they are not securities. You don´t own any shares of the companies. You don`t get any dividends from their gains in the future (if any of them has the capability to earn FIAT money in the future).
2) ICO ... Initial Coin Offering, it´s just an other form of crowd funding. What´s the main problem with this approach? You finance the companies business operations. They must sell their tokens to sustain running their business. Or do you think they earn money other than in cryptocurrency? No, they don´t. It will last until all tokens are sold, then this companies are down and out. Simple. You sit on worthless tokens. Scams are just the rapid version of this process. Would ever a venture capital company invest FIAT into their business? Zero price is inevitable.
3) Point 1 and 2 are not clear for many users here ... It´s a big pump and dump scheme. Greater fools theory, not more not less.

Now I want to hear your opinions. We don´t talk about Bitcoin here, just about altcoins.

1. They're not securies - so what? Amazon vouchers are also not securities but their price is stable.
2. These companies are not just sustained via dumping on you, they're ALL building products that can potentially make money (otherwise investing in them is stupid).
3. Apparently point 1 and 2 are not clear to you either.