Trust abuse and lies from DT members

[Rambotnic]

marlboroza is trying to hide things on his thread which is self-moderated.
Im creating new thread because everything should be transparent and no posts should be deleted.
There won't be censorship here.

After he give me more information about the case, i clearly told him to not pay them a single cent, because it was obvious scam.
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Also i posted my pm, posted my offer to him to help in exchange for money that should be paid AFTER if i manage to help him and not upfront.
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All I'm reading is you suggesting that the guy bargain with the casino to lower the 5BTC amount of extortion.  It's not a bribe. One of your last quotes is "you have no other option than deal with them if you want to have your stuff back".  That is indeed suggesting he pay the extortionists, perhaps not the full amount but at least a partial payment.

And you want 0.1BTC for helping him get his account back?  How did you plan on doing that and how was he supposed to know you were responsible for him getting it back?  You're clearly trying to make a profit for yourself off of someone else's dilemma.

Yes that's suggesting paying the extortionists so he can have at least less loss in his back.
In the end, we are trying to make his loss less.
Based on the facts they're asking money from him, there will be loss but at least it should be less.
And yes, what other option he have than going by their rules but making that secure by using escrow?
Do you actually see something bad for someone losing 38btc to accept paying something in exchange to return big loss?
Because if i was the victim, i will agree on everything security based like an escrow service for the bribe.
Yes i wanted 0.1btc for helping him get his account back.
I was going to think ways and also suggest him the escrow usage of the bribe and not only to cover his payment.
He would never know for 100% i would be the one responsible for him getting it back, but at least i would stay with him and giving him safety advice how the things should be done.
Yes i am trying to make profit by trying to help someone, that's true.
But at least i am trying to help the user and not just read his drama.
Yes i do not fully understand his huge sadness about it, but at least i am willing to help him with  what i can to make the things better than they are.
Services were always paid, and if someone want to make them for free, i don't blame them, but i am not sure why people blaming me for asking money for help.
Especially when i never requested any payment upfront.
Also, in the end we all know, even if i help him out, and i show him that i was the one who help him, he is the only one who can pay me out the 0.1 for my help.
I mean he's not forced and he can always not pay me a single cent for what i am doing and spending my time.

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[Rambotnic]

Adding also the other messages which were censored from marlbroza and deleted.

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

Especially when i never requested any payment upfront.
Also, in the end we all know, even if i help him out, and i show him that i was the one who help him, he is the only one who can pay me out the 0.1 for my help.
I mean he's not forced and he can always not pay me a single cent for what i am doing and spending my time.

Lol.  It doesn't make a shit of difference if you asked him to pay upfront or not.  You saw a person in a real bind and looked to make some money for yourself.

Who's "we", by the way?

In the end, we are trying to make his loss less.

[Rambotnic]

Especially when i never requested any payment upfront.
Also, in the end we all know, even if i help him out, and i show him that i was the one who help him, he is the only one who can pay me out the 0.1 for my help.
I mean he's not forced and he can always not pay me a single cent for what i am doing and spending my time.

Lol.  It doesn't make a shit of difference if you asked him to pay upfront or not.  You saw a person in a real bind and looked to make some money for yourself.

Who's "we", by the way?

In the end, we are trying to make his loss less.

Why you have to look it by that way? Why don't you look it from side where someone trying to help another person.
Why should i spend my time for free ? And consider i am asking for money AFTER service i don't see anything wrong.
Also why would person who is losing 38BTC would refuse help with payment AFTER?
We are allowed to make money off anything we wish here without breaking the rules right? Or i am wrong? If there is some non written rule, please redirect me.
I find it odd that you find it strange me asking for money for my time.
If i wanted to help people for free, i would go with UNICEF.
Same as you, i do have more important things to do, which i can put in second place if i get paid for my time.
Your logic is just the same like "A lawyer saw a person in real bind and looked to make some money for his self for helping him"
Yes i am not a lawyer but same as the lawyer i do spend my time trying to solve his problem by the best way for him.
By your logic, lawyers should not exists because they take advantage of people in trouble to help them in exchange of money...
And actually the lawyers asking money upfront to start a case, i did ask money after the case is closed with happy end.

[suchmoon]

Adding also the other messages which were censored from marlbroza and deleted.

Your posts are likely being deleted because you're multi-posting. It's annoying. Stop doing that.

On topic: you're making zero sense with your advice to pay the "bribe" and it's very obvious why marlboroza and The Pharmacist decided to neg-trust you.

Your logic is just the same like "A lawyer saw a person in real bind and looked to make some money for his self for helping him"
Yes i am not a lawyer but same as the lawyer i do spend my time trying to solve his problem by the best way for him.
By your logic, lawyers should not exists because they take advantage of people in trouble to help them in exchange of money...
And actually the lawyers asking money upfront to start a case, i did ask money after the case is closed with happy end.

Lawyer malpractice is a thing. That's roughly what happened here.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Your logic is just the same like "A lawyer saw a person in real bind and looked to make some money for his self for helping him"
Yes i am not a lawyer but same as the lawyer i do spend my time trying to solve his problem by the best way for him.
By your logic, lawyers should not exists because they take advantage of people in trouble to help them in exchange of money...
And actually the lawyers asking money upfront to start a case, i did ask money after the case is closed with happy end.

tl;dr You are not a lawyer, and any lawyer worth his/her salt would not suggest what you did.  You can try to put whatever spin you want on this, but the fact is that I seriously, with no reservation whatsoever, do not trust your judgement and have tagged you accordingly. 

Rambotnic has shown his greed, his eagerness to take advantage of a victim, and his total lack of judgement by advising this victim to pay the ransom on his account--even if it isn't the full amount.  That's a small point and not an argument in his favor.  In addition, he kept repeating that this is the way it goes with all/many casinos, which I find highly doubtful.  If there's proof of that, I'd like to see it.

[Rambotnic]

Adding also the other messages which were censored from marlbroza and deleted.

Your posts are likely being deleted because you're multi-posting. It's annoying. Stop doing that.

On topic: you're making zero sense with your advice to pay the "bribe" and it's very obvious why marlboroza and The Pharmacist decided to neg-trust you.

Your logic is just the same like "A lawyer saw a person in real bind and looked to make some money for his self for helping him"
Yes i am not a lawyer but same as the lawyer i do spend my time trying to solve his problem by the best way for him.
By your logic, lawyers should not exists because they take advantage of people in trouble to help them in exchange of money...
And actually the lawyers asking money upfront to start a case, i did ask money after the case is closed with happy end.

Lawyer malpractice is a thing. That's roughly what happened here.

Im making no sense to tell him to accept paying the bribe? Why you think so?
That will expose their future and previous intentions of the whole situation.
Accepting to pay them is not like paying them.
Playing by their own rules but with brain can expose them so easy.

[marlboroza]

Multi posting in row.
Repeating walls of texts, nothing significant added.
Repeating what is in screenshots several times.
"Use escrow" added after tagged.

Besides, I didn't censure anything, as I can see your posts are there.

What am I hiding exactly?

[Rambotnic]

Your logic is just the same like "A lawyer saw a person in real bind and looked to make some money for his self for helping him"
Yes i am not a lawyer but same as the lawyer i do spend my time trying to solve his problem by the best way for him.
By your logic, lawyers should not exists because they take advantage of people in trouble to help them in exchange of money...
And actually the lawyers asking money upfront to start a case, i did ask money after the case is closed with happy end.

tl;dr You are not a lawyer, and any lawyer worth his/her salt would not suggest what you did.  You can try to put whatever spin you want on this, but the fact is that I seriously, with no reservation whatsoever, do not trust your judgement and have tagged you accordingly. 

Rambotnic has shown his greed, his eagerness to take advantage of a victim, and his total lack of judgement by advising this victim to pay the ransom on his account--even if it isn't the full amount.  That's a small point and not an argument in his favor.  In addition, he kept repeating that this is the way it goes with all/many casinos, which I find highly doubtful.  If there's proof of that, I'd like to see it.

Then every single lawyer should be a greed bastard who trying to earn from people problems.
My judgement is actually the best one, it cannot harm the person but it can only expose the scammers.
That's not arguments but facts.
Yes, many virtual casinos which scam their players milk/try to scam more their big players, which is not secret.
Im talking about the scamming casinos of course, and by that report we all can think that casino is also scam based on this claim and the previous claim for more than 300 bitcoins on hold.

The huge walls of texts is explain how my strategy works.
You cannot deny that accepting paying "bribe" will expose their intentions.
You cannot deny that saying something is not like doing it.

I wanted to start from far to understand what is going on  fully and how this should be proceed.
Because i have different way of look and view, that doesn't mean it is not right.
It cannot harm the "victim" with anything.

[suchmoon]

Im making no sense to tell him to accept paying the bribe? Why you think so?
That will expose their future and previous intentions of the whole situation.
Accepting to pay them is not like paying them.
Playing by their own rules but with brain can expose them so easy.

Chat screenshots don't mention escrow and you're explicitly telling the other user to pay the "bribe" with no mention of this "exposé" plan you're trying to spin here. You're also going to great lengths to make it sound like a good idea ("all casinos do it").

[Rambotnic]

Im making no sense to tell him to accept paying the bribe? Why you think so?
That will expose their future and previous intentions of the whole situation.
Accepting to pay them is not like paying them.
Playing by their own rules but with brain can expose them so easy.

Chat screenshots don't mention escrow and you're explicitly telling the other user to pay the "bribe" with no mention of this "exposé" plan you're trying to spin here. You're also going to great lengths to make it sound like a good idea ("all casinos do it").

That was already noted and i already said that we didn't go future with this conversation to explain him.
The interesting part was person losing 38btc was not really interested paying 0.1 btc which  will cost him less than lawyer to try find solution.

And yes "all casinos do it". At least all scamming casinos

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The interesting part was person losing 38btc was not really interested paying 0.1 btc which  will cost him less than lawyer to try find solution.

You really are a scammer.  I can't even fathom somebody honest writing something like that.

Who and who i scam show me please?
What did i scam and how did i scam ?

Asking for 0.1BTC to "help" someone lose less money to another scammer, whose true identity no one is even sure of yet, claiming that that amount is 10x less than a lawyer would charge....give me a break, dude.  Call it scammer, call it scumbag, call it whatever you want.  What you did was disgusting.

Don't start playing the victim here.  The feedback I left for you is spot-on.

[Rambotnic]

The interesting part was person losing 38btc was not really interested paying 0.1 btc which  will cost him less than lawyer to try find solution.

You really are a scammer.  I can't even fathom somebody honest writing something like that.

Who and who i scam show me please?
What did i scam and how did i scam ?
There is not a single person who deal with me and lost 1 cent.
I am also in middle in trade with minerjones using as escrow.
If i were scammer, i would never suggest people to use escrow, and do all my trades with escrow.
That's a lie and false argument.
Or you will show us why i am scammer?

[owlcatz]

The interesting part was person losing 38btc was not really interested paying 0.1 btc which  will cost him less than lawyer to try find solution.

You really are a scammer.  I can't even fathom somebody honest writing something like that.

I had neg rated this user some time  back - Someone pmd me and said they had cleaned up their act and were doing constructive things now, so I kindly removed it. I guess I'll have to put a new one on.... Fucking Rambotnic, don't even PM me either, your posts give me an eye-ache....  

You may not be a scammer, but you are NOT trustworthy and nobody will ever trust your judgement now. Read back what you wrote. Over and over until you understand it is WRONG.

[Rambotnic]

Seems like cryptohunter words after all were all right.
This is propaganda from DT members and censorship
Calling me scammer for no reason, consider i never scammed anyone  
Tagging me for wanting money for my time doing not illegal service - Trying to help.
Do you guys actually realize how stupid this is
Do you actually guys realize what actually you doing here?
Your acts destroying this forum, same as your poor decisions and your over reacts against member who help this community from months.
Calling randomly bad names without single proof based statement....

How you can judge someone judgement if you don't understand it?
How my judgement can be bad if cannot harm the person but only give information to him and the community ?
All my claims are totally right and totally in place.
They cannot harm the person but only can provide information about the scammer and his true intentions.
You guys proving my point that all of you read only what you want to.
The strategy is the scammer to expose his self.
I can say to the guy to accept anything they want in words, that doesn't mean he will do it...

[marlboroza]

This is propaganda from DT members and censorship
Calling me scammer for no reason, consider i never scammed anyone  

So, I didn't censorship you.

First you didn't address this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49573672#msg49573672 (first quote).

Then I asked you to this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49573975#msg49573975 which you didn't answer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49573982#msg49573982 and then I pointed that you didn't address it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49574007#msg49574007 and you again didn't https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49574021#msg49574021.

[Rambotnic]

This is propaganda from DT members and censorship
Calling me scammer for no reason, consider i never scammed anyone  

So, I didn't censorship you.

First you didn't address this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49573672#msg49573672 (first quote).

Then I asked you to this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49573975#msg49573975 which you didn't answer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49573982#msg49573982 and then I pointed that you didn't address it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49574007#msg49574007 and you again didn't https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49574021#msg49574021.

I did answer but as i said everyone reading what they want to.
I already said that for me, 99.99% of scammers doing the same, trying to milk more the victims.
For me to predict that they going to milk him and trying to ask for more money is more than obvious.
My answer were given hour ago.

[marlboroza]

I did answer but as i said everyone reading what they want to.

You didn't.

Everyone is reading conversation and your reactions before and after.

[Rambotnic]

I did answer but as i said everyone reading what they want to.

You didn't.

Everyone is reading conversation and your reactions before and after.

The conversation between me and the "victim" didn't continue so i could not continue with my strategy about the escrow usage.
Also since when tagging is being used against people strategy to caught scammer?
No matter what, my strategy was not able to harm the "victim" at any point.
Red tags should be given to people who either scam or trying to harm someone or the community.
My acts and intentions was and are everything but not to harm anyone but to help.
No matter you want to accept my strategy and the way i try to do the things, that doesn't change the fact that no one can be victim from my way of exposing the scammers.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Not in last place, if they were so strict in thru helping people or the forum, many facts about abuses and illegal stuff were let to go more and more to go worse from what it is.

You do realize we try to keep this place clean for free, right?  You're in no position to criticize anyone for not doing enough to help stop scams and everything else, since you've proven yourself to be an equivocating lump of dung.

Edit (from other thread):

You are liar, trust abuser and a scammer.
I can be lawyer if i want, this is internet.  And especially when there is no way of me harming the people i am trying to help, i can be anything i want to.

OK, buddy.  And since this is the internet and anything goes (according to you), you should have no problem with your red trust.