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February 11, 2019, 01:12:54 PM
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I believe Askgamblers put there foot down on Cloudbet just yesterday regarding the withdrawal. From my understanding that’s what he wants to see first.

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/cloudbet-casino-delayed-330-btc-payment
Every time Cloudbet respond there, askgamblers will give them more time. So they can basically come every 3-4 days and say usual "we are still investigating but we have some new information" and delay more:
Fraudbet failed to respond within the timeframe and it was ask gamblers (If you are injured, do you also go to the bakery?) who extended the timeframe with posting.




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February 11, 2019, 03:56:34 PM
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As the previous guy paid 11-18k bribe, this case will always prove my words that scammers always come to milk for more.
How did the 38btc guy take his coins back ? With 11-18k loss.
Open your eyes Smiley

What are you talking about? Ginalli got all 38 coins he won back. Ginalli did not “send” anyone any money to get his coins released from hostage.

Yes the bitcoin value depreciated but it is now back up.

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February 11, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
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Hey Sandy,
The player won and is trying to get his withdrawal. The player has already sent in all the required documentation that was asked for by cloudbet and does not live in the United States.
You mentioned he probably lost a lot? You should read the full story before commenting. You can see above he is waiting on a 330 bitcoin payout. He also already withdrew 145 bitcoins  [/b]


I am aware of everything you stated however you obviously missed my point or didn't clearly understand or actually read my comment.  My comment was strictly regarding someone's suggestion about LEGAL ACTION against Cloudbet.  If the PLAYER resides in the US where online gambling is ILLEGAL and if he went to court it would likely be thrown out whether he was cheated or not.  There is a legal doctrine  called "dirty hands or clean hands" that basically states if you do something that is not legal and get cheated the courts will not help you to resolve it.  

Think of a drug dealer suing his supplier for ripping him off.  Since the drug deal is an illegal action the courts will not help you.

I made no judgement on either the poster or the casino just the suggestion of legal action. As for me saying he "lost a lot" that is true if he won 330BTC and didn't get paid. He most definitely would have LOST A LOT. I also never found out if he was from the US.

From what I have been reading around the web regarding online gaming there are many US players sneaking in using various surreptitious methods then getting pissed when they don't get paid when they win. I tried to join a casino and was locked out as I was from the US.  Their TOS also state that they don't accept players from certain regions.



He is from the Philippines. The suggestion by the poster in regards to legal action was to go after Cloudflare for servicing the book. Cloudflare is based in the US.

Too many would be lawyers around here.  Cheesy  Good luck to him, hope he gets his money.  Worth the try but it would be interesting to see the results.
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February 11, 2019, 07:06:27 PM
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Hey Sandy,
The player won and is trying to get his withdrawal. The player has already sent in all the required documentation that was asked for by cloudbet and does not live in the United States.
You mentioned he probably lost a lot? You should read the full story before commenting. You can see above he is waiting on a 330 bitcoin payout. He also already withdrew 145 bitcoins  [/b]


I am aware of everything you stated however you obviously missed my point or didn't clearly understand or actually read my comment.  My comment was strictly regarding someone's suggestion about LEGAL ACTION against Cloudbet.  If the PLAYER resides in the US where online gambling is ILLEGAL and if he went to court it would likely be thrown out whether he was cheated or not.  There is a legal doctrine  called "dirty hands or clean hands" that basically states if you do something that is not legal and get cheated the courts will not help you to resolve it.  

Think of a drug dealer suing his supplier for ripping him off.  Since the drug deal is an illegal action the courts will not help you.

I made no judgement on either the poster or the casino just the suggestion of legal action. As for me saying he "lost a lot" that is true if he won 330BTC and didn't get paid. He most definitely would have LOST A LOT. I also never found out if he was from the US.

From what I have been reading around the web regarding online gaming there are many US players sneaking in using various surreptitious methods then getting pissed when they don't get paid when they win. I tried to join a casino and was locked out as I was from the US.  Their TOS also state that they don't accept players from certain regions.



He is from the Philippines. The suggestion by the poster in regards to legal action was to go after Cloudflare for servicing the book. Cloudflare is based in the US.

Too many would be lawyers around here.  Cheesy  Good luck to him, hope he gets his money.  Worth the try but it would be interesting to see the results.

Would be lawyer or not Cloudflare isn’t want to go to court over cloudbet. The player obviously has the funds to pursue legal action.

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February 12, 2019, 12:35:55 AM
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lookin at cloudbet history on askgamblers, the highest complain they ever had prior to this was the the previous one on this forum 38btc



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30 OF 30 RESOLVED 2 DAYS AVG RESPONSE 5 DAYS AVG COMPLAINT LIFE 13,499 USD AVG AMOUNT

qouted from > https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/cloudbet-casino-delayed-330-btc-payment


330btc / 1.117 Million $ is something they probably never had to deal with , the average time for them to resolve their issues with clients is 5 days, this one has been going on for over a month! there is a good chance they are waiting for some large deposits from other players to solve this issue!

things are not looking pretty here,tho i hope the guy get's his btc and live happily ever after.

 i never gambled, but if i was a gambler i would probably never play on cloudbet even if they manage to resolve this issue, this long delay itself is pretty much disrespectful to their clients.

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February 12, 2019, 01:24:21 AM
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330btc / 1.117 Million $ is something they probably never had to deal with , the average time for them to resolve their issues with clients is 5 days, this one has been going on for over a month! there is a good chance they are waiting for some large deposits from other players to solve this issue!

things are not looking pretty here,tho i hope the guy get's his btc and live happily ever after.

 i never gambled, but if i was a gambler i would probably never play on cloudbet even if they manage to resolve this issue, this long delay itself is pretty much disrespectful to their clients.
Who knows what they are waiting for, as far as I know they still didn't address this




This https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098762.msg49692182#msg49692182 is probably more important than 330BTC which player is waiting for, how long, 44 days?

At the same day player was able to withdraw 50BTC and rejected 52BTC. How much sense does it make?

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February 12, 2019, 01:28:27 AM
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They respond here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098762.240

But not here. Now you know that they are hiding and ignoring this. Dont worry, they will not ignore this for a long time. They cant update or anything. They think they will just run away with this money. They mess with the wrong person.

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February 12, 2019, 05:36:51 AM
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They respond here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098762.240

But not here. Now you know that they are hiding and ignoring this. Dont worry, they will not ignore this for a long time. They cant update or anything. They think they will just run away with this money. They mess with the wrong person.

Albert

I don't think Ronnie would want to get involved into this and say something that doesn't align with whatever people are in charge want to do.

If your money was stolen don't expect customer support to do a lot for you. Like I said before, you need to contact a lot of people in many different manners, or try to raise some very loud noise to get more attention to yourself. Maybe big crypto news websites, twitter, and so on. What you're doing now is not going to get you anywhere, because you're not doing anything productive adding more posts to this thread. Cloudbet will only care when giving you your money back will mean for them not losing more money from future customers. Also don't take this message offensively, I'm just telling you how I think it is.

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February 12, 2019, 07:58:02 AM
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This https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098762.msg49692182#msg49692182 is probably more important than 330BTC which player is waiting for, how long, 44 days?

indeed  "0.47 btc prize pool " is more important than 330 btc, do the math  Grin



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At the same day player was able to withdraw 50BTC and rejected 52BTC. How much sense does it make?

to me this makes 0 sense really, that's why i think more details from couldbet are crucial, they don't have to reveal top secret information regarding their ongoing investigations " assuming there is any  Roll Eyes" but a few answers are a must.

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February 12, 2019, 11:34:32 AM
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They added a section 14 on there terms and conditions.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180605085245/https://www.cloudbet.com/en/terms_and_conditions

This one was the old one

And this is the new one with section 14

https://www.cloudbet.com/en/terms_and_conditions

I think they did that because of my complaint. Now I hope they respond and do what is right now.


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February 12, 2019, 11:57:02 AM
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They added a section 14 on there terms and conditions.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180605085245/https://www.cloudbet.com/en/terms_and_conditions

This one was the old one

And this is the new one with section 14

https://www.cloudbet.com/en/terms_and_conditions

I think they did that because of my complaint. Now I hope they respond and do what is right now.


Albert


Doesnt that mean you should email support@cloudbet.com? Maybe the head of support will have more say on what to do.

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February 12, 2019, 12:45:48 PM
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They respond here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098762.240

But not here. Now you know that they are hiding and ignoring this. Dont worry, they will not ignore this for a long time. They cant update or anything. They think they will just run away with this money. They mess with the wrong person.

Albert

Hi, Albert.

Sorry to hear your problems.
I just want to give you one advise: don't waste your time, i bet that only litigation is the key for solution of your problem. So please hire a lawyer ASAP. Thay will invent excuses and rules just to keep your money forever. Trust me.
You can check my case for reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088396

Keep fighting and stay strong!
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February 12, 2019, 04:39:59 PM
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I did emailed them today. No respond still. AND that terms and conditions I know it was created for me its either another way of saying they got a new excuse.

They should have just update me or email me on what they want or anything. They got this whole week to respond on my email. Here and AskGamblers.


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February 12, 2019, 04:46:04 PM
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I did emailed them today. No respond still. AND that terms and conditions I know it was created for me its either another way of saying they got a new excuse.

They should have just update me or email me on what they want or anything. They got this whole week to respond on my email. Here and AskGamblers.


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Well Swofty - when are you gonna realize that you are wasting every single minutes. I guess I have already said like others that you need to seek legal aid. I don't think cloudbet is giving any shit here. Good luck mate. 

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February 12, 2019, 06:20:10 PM
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i think this is what you are going to have to deal with later on

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i don't know what is " E-Gambling Montenegro" but seems like they are going to take your case there, so do your research.

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Swofty is making chance of getting paid worse by taking this matter all over the internet. Best way to deal with these kind of situation is to work behind the scenes through legal means.

Me and a few others was in the same situation when we followed a syndicate service and ran up the winnings but we never brought it up publicly. My money wasn't as big as swofty's but combined with the others it was bigger than his amount.  Anytime when you have money in a book and if they are struggling to pay, best way is to do legal pressure. Publicly exposing before you get paid only makes your chance better because lot of people will start withdrawing in panic and they won't be able to honor any withdrawals.

Softy's story is spreading like wildfire and its mentioned in every major gambling boards and that is going to make things very difficult.

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Swofty is making chance of getting paid worse by taking this matter all over the internet. Best way to deal with these kind of situation is to work behind the scenes through legal means.

Me and a few others was in the same situation when we followed a syndicate service and ran up the winnings but we never brought this up publicly. My money wasn't as big as swofty's but combined with the others it was bigger than his amount.  Anytime when you have money in a book and if they are struggling to pay, best way is to do legal pressure. Publicly exposing before you get paid only makes your chance better because lot of people will start withdrawing in panic and they won't be able to honor any withdrawals.

Softy's story is spreading like wildfire and its mentioned in every major gambling boards and that is going to make things very difficult.



I totally agree with that, but what if the person involved don't have the ability or can't handle things like that? Well, sometimes publicity helps because someone will guide you what are things to do.

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February 12, 2019, 08:25:04 PM
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I totally agree with that, but what if the person involved don't have the ability or can't handle things like that? Well something publicity helps because someone will guide you what are things to do.

For the amount that is involved, he should be able to have the ability. These kind of operation (ponzi model without liquidity to pay investors without more investors investing) always  pays smaller amount to maintain image and get more potential investors. They will try to keep feeding the smaller fishes to get more big fishes and keep it going until they can last.

Once you realized you are involved in a ponzi time scheme, best to play like small fish and pull out slowly little by little without creating any panic. It is selfish but it just boils down to if you prefer your money back or warning everyone. I will always choose to get my money back before warning everyone because if i warn everyone, the company still runs with everyone's moeny.
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February 12, 2019, 11:16:37 PM
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Swofty is making chance of getting paid worse by taking this matter all over the internet. Best way to deal with these kind of situation is to work behind the scenes through legal means.

Me and a few others was in the same situation when we followed a syndicate service and ran up the winnings but we never brought it up publicly. My money wasn't as big as swofty's but combined with the others it was bigger than his amount.  Anytime when you have money in a book and if they are struggling to pay, best way is to do legal pressure. Publicly exposing before you get paid only makes your chance better because lot of people will start withdrawing in panic and they won't be able to honor any withdrawals.

Softy's story is spreading like wildfire and its mentioned in every major gambling boards and that is going to make things very difficult.
I am happy that victims are dressed to post their issues on forums, so I will get aware about the claims and potential customers. Smiley

But if it will come to the enforcement stage, I can only warn about hiring a lawyer! If you have an online casino issue, you need to engage a specialised lawyer like Game Protect uses.

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February 12, 2019, 11:22:42 PM
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It is hard but please stay calm and avoid these kind of posts.

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