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February 06, 2019, 07:05:58 AM
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Tonight in Trump's State of the Union address, he condemned socialism and said "America will never be a socialist country". He also condemned the dictator currently in power (although not recognized as the legit president) who has used violence, killings, and frivolous criminal charges to stifle dissent in his country.

Socialists Bernie Sanders and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez looked very uncomfortable as this condemnation received bipartisan applause.   

Socialism in Venezuela has changed what used to be one of the wealthiest countries in South America into one of the poorest.

Even Nancy Pelosi applauded when Trump issued this condemnation.

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February 06, 2019, 07:31:52 AM
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What a load of tosh. It's the US sanctions and subversive regime change activities that have screwed Venezuela. Everybody knows that the US just wants to steal the oil and gold reserves, and John Bolton has declared this publicly. We must be getting close to a massive world shakeup when Russia or China, or some other nation sinks a US aircraft carrier. Maduro is an ex-bus driver, and not the best politician that the world has seen, but the US must remove sanctions, and give the Venezuelans a chance to escape from starvation and foreign oppression, and try to rebuild their country.

The US has never won a war since the American civil war, and half of them lost that. It needs to be careful now that it is losing its military edge, world approval, and economic strength.

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February 06, 2019, 07:42:21 AM
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What a load of tosh. It's the US sanctions and subversive regime change activities that have screwed Venezuela. Everybody knows that the US just wants to steal the oil and gold reserves, and John Bolton has declared this publicly. We must be getting close to a massive world shakeup when Russia or China, or some other nation sinks a US aircraft carrier. Maduro is an ex-bus driver, and not the best politician that the world has seen, but the US must remove sanctions, and give the Venezuelans a chance to escape from starvation and foreign oppression, and try to rebuild their country.
Venuezla had problems before we put sanctions on. The US did not apply any sanctions until mid-2015, and there were reported food shortages years before that (official data stopped being reported after there were shortages of about a quarter of goods).


The US has never won a war since the American civil war, and half of them lost that. It needs to be careful now that it is losing its military edge, world approval, and economic strength.
The US is a two-time world war champion.

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February 06, 2019, 08:25:46 AM
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The US buddies in Saudi Arabia flooded the oil supply to tank the prices per barrell and send Venezuela's economy into tailspin.  This also hurt the Russian economy and sentenced the future of the world to the fate of climate change.  The US will literally destroy the entire planet to prove socialism doesn't work.

Trump had a contradictory quote tonight that went something like "We beat communism and fought for equality"

Also the narrative that the nazis were defeated on d-day and not almost entirely by the Soviet Union on the eastern front is some of the most successful propaganda the world has ever seen.

Socialism is coming.  Its the future and theres not much he can do to stop it.  Thats why they are panicking talking about it so much.  There will be a dozen new AOCs in 2020.
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February 06, 2019, 08:49:00 AM
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What a load of tosh. It's the US sanctions and subversive regime change activities that have screwed Venezuela. Everybody knows that the US just wants to steal the oil and gold reserves, and John Bolton has declared this publicly. We must be getting close to a massive world shakeup when Russia or China, or some other nation sinks a US aircraft carrier. Maduro is an ex-bus driver, and not the best politician that the world has seen, but the US must remove sanctions, and give the Venezuelans a chance to escape from starvation and foreign oppression, and try to rebuild their country.

The US has never won a war since the American civil war, and half of them lost that. It needs to be careful now that it is losing its military edge, world approval, and economic strength.

I’m not surprised by his ranting he’s not the first president to do it, and he won’t be the last one too to start a war right before their term ends. It’s even surprising all the wars have two things in common oil and gold, remember the Iraq war the so called weapons are till date not found. Third World War May be more closer than we think look around us the global states are in chaos be it brexit, Venezuela etc, all it’ll take one strike to trigger it.

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February 06, 2019, 08:50:03 AM
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Also the narrative that the nazis were defeated on d-day and not almost entirely by the Soviet Union on the eastern front is some of the most successful propaganda the world has ever seen.


Hitler's big mistake was having a go at Russia,

A large number of allied soldiers were killed by "friendly" fire from Americans in the second world war. The joke in England is that the second world war would have been over a couple of days earlier if the Americans hadn't run out of bullets. It wasn't so long ago that the US had to use the British SAS to train its special forces either.

I've been watching a lot of US war machine propaganda recently, and the underlying message is that the US is extremely worried about its military vulnerability. I've watched the simulated close encounter dog fights to publicise their fighters, but the truth is that 5th generation fighters engage at distance of between 5 and 70 miles. Top gun pilots are no longer relevant. I've also watched carrier propaganda, and it appears that the barrels of the rapid fire guns have to be changed by hand, presumably as a result of over heating. That will be really handy when combating the drone swarms of the Chinese. Most of the videos seem to focus on image enhancing music, planes taking off and dancing in the sky, and guns shooting at conventional targets, and that isn't what modern war involves at super power level. However, the weapons are suitable for control and suppression of a non-military population.

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February 06, 2019, 09:11:41 AM
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The US is a two-time world war champion.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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What a load of tosh. It's the US sanctions and subversive regime change activities that have screwed Venezuela. Everybody knows that the US just wants to steal the oil and gold reserves

Now now, don't pop their dream.
USA STRONG! USA GREAT!
Socialism weak!
And there is no correlation between the shit in which ME and South America are and the interventions of USA in local politics. Not at all. Not even a begining of a link.

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February 06, 2019, 10:53:52 PM
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Tonight in Trump's State of the Union address, he condemned socialism and said "America will never be a socialist country". He also condemned the dictator currently in power (although not recognized as the legit president) who has used violence, killings, and frivolous criminal charges to stifle dissent in his country.

Socialists Bernie Sanders and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez looked very uncomfortable as this condemnation received bipartisan applause.   

Socialism in Venezuela has changed what used to be one of the wealthiest countries in South America into one of the poorest.

Even Nancy Pelosi applauded when Trump issued this condemnation.

All of these socialists, while applauding, are saying to themselves "But this time, doing it MY WAY, things will be different."
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February 06, 2019, 11:33:01 PM
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What a load of tosh. It's the US sanctions and subversive regime change activities that have screwed Venezuela. Everybody knows that the US just wants to steal the oil and gold reserves, and John Bolton has declared this publicly. We must be getting close to a massive world shakeup when Russia or China, or some other nation sinks a US aircraft carrier. Maduro is an ex-bus driver, and not the best politician that the world has seen, but the US must remove sanctions, and give the Venezuelans a chance to escape from starvation and foreign oppression, and try to rebuild their country.

This is a lie and you don't live here. The source of the Venezuelan misery is Maduro's "real socialism" economy, aka. command economy. This was proposed by Chavez but was actually implemented in full by Maduro. No US sanctions affected anywhere the people, and i have told you elsewhere there have been no sanctions against Venezuela, only against the corrupt officials, and only recently in the last few years.

Stop repeating this lie about a reality you know nothing about.

Also you are deluded in political fiction. neither Russia nor China is going to sink anything, and they don't have ANY military forces stationed here. Russians have almost no presence here, there might be a few mercenaries as rumors say to "protect" Maduro, but that's about it. Putin isn't stupid to involve himself in a country where he has so little (or nothing) invested. And China is angry with Maduro's inability to fix the economy, they won't do anything beyond some diplomatic protest to save face while in reality negotiate a good agreement with whoever replaces the usurper. The opposition President Interim Guaidó has already openly stated that China has nothing to fear and in fact be grateful their investments would actually have a chance under a proper economy.

The Chinese learned the hard way socialist economies fail. THEY KNOW Maduro is going to fall. Even the Cubans know at this point, there is no turning back.

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February 07, 2019, 02:38:43 AM
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What a load of tosh. It's the US sanctions and subversive regime change activities that have screwed Venezuela. Everybody knows that the US just wants to steal the oil and gold reserves, and John Bolton has declared this publicly. We must be getting close to a massive world shakeup when Russia or China, or some other nation sinks a US aircraft carrier. Maduro is an ex-bus driver, and not the best politician that the world has seen, but the US must remove sanctions, and give the Venezuelans a chance to escape from starvation and foreign oppression, and try to rebuild their country.

The US has never won a war since the American civil war, and half of them lost that. It needs to be careful now that it is losing its military edge, world approval, and economic strength.

According to Marxists it's capitalism that causes under development. That being true you should be happy that the US didn't exploit Venezuela.

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February 07, 2019, 05:21:42 AM
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That was one hell of a SotU. I couldn’t believe the way Trump controlled the room. Then today the Fed stated their next rate change might be a decrease. So much winning...

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All of these socialists, while applauding, are saying to themselves "But this time, doing it MY WAY, things will be different."

I was going to give a few examples of how extremely successful some democratic socialist countries are.  Some examples of how all democracies have varying degree's of social programs beloved by their citizens (please don't go to a sporting event where tax payers paid for the fucking stadium you socialist piece of shit!).  But then I remembered Murica and you're right if you guys tried to implement anything even remotely logical you would fuck it up and likely would end up like Venezuela, just look how you turned democracy into kleptocracy all while having citizens armed to the teeth for a revolution but sat on your balls while the elite shoved a cactus up your asshole (WMD, 2008 banking crisis LMFAO)!

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February 07, 2019, 01:30:49 PM
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All of these socialists, while applauding, are saying to themselves "But this time, doing it MY WAY, things will be different."

I was going to give a few examples of how extremely successful some democratic socialist countries are.  Some examples of how all democracies have varying degree's of social programs beloved by their citizens (please don't go to a sporting event where tax payers paid for the fucking stadium you socialist piece of shit!).  But then I remembered Murica and you're right if you guys tried to implement anything even remotely logical you would fuck it up and likely would end up like Venezuela, just look how you turned democracy into kleptocracy all while having citizens armed to the teeth for a revolution but sat on your balls while the elite shoved a cactus up your asshole (WMD, 2008 banking crisis LMFAO)!

At least we don't live in a frozen wasteland where nothing ever happens...

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More socialist policies are inevitable at this point. With the rise of automation there will need to be some sort of Universal Basic Income or there will be real trouble.

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February 07, 2019, 01:52:23 PM
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More socialist policies are inevitable at this point. With the rise of automation there will need to be some sort of Universal Basic Income or there will be real trouble.

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don't burst the "free market" "constructive destruction" bubble.

Automation means rise of new sectors, not massive unemployment. The new sectors rise just hasn't kicked off yet because of niggas/immigrants/taxes/government regulations pick the one you like best

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February 07, 2019, 02:01:54 PM
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That was one hell of a SotU. I couldn’t believe the way Trump controlled the room. Then today the Fed stated their next rate change might be a decrease. So much winning...

+1 Pretty proud of how presidential he sounded, it was a great deviation from the norm. Even though I must say that I do like the norm most of the time.

What a load of tosh. It's the US sanctions and subversive regime change activities that have screwed Venezuela. Everybody knows that the US just wants to steal the oil and gold reserves, and John Bolton has declared this publicly. We must be getting close to a massive world shakeup when Russia or China, or some other nation sinks a US aircraft carrier. Maduro is an ex-bus driver, and not the best politician that the world has seen, but the US must remove sanctions, and give the Venezuelans a chance to escape from starvation and foreign oppression, and try to rebuild their country.

This is a lie and you don't live here. The source of the Venezuelan misery is Maduro's "real socialism" economy, aka. command economy. This was proposed by Chavez but was actually implemented in full by Maduro. No US sanctions affected anywhere the people, and i have told you elsewhere there have been no sanctions against Venezuela, only against the corrupt officials, and only recently in the last few years.

Stop repeating this lie about a reality you know nothing about.

Also you are deluded in political fiction. neither Russia nor China is going to sink anything, and they don't have ANY military forces stationed here. Russians have almost no presence here, there might be a few mercenaries as rumors say to "protect" Maduro, but that's about it. Putin isn't stupid to involve himself in a country where he has so little (or nothing) invested. And China is angry with Maduro's inability to fix the economy, they won't do anything beyond some diplomatic protest to save face while in reality negotiate a good agreement with whoever replaces the usurper. The opposition President Interim Guaidó has already openly stated that China has nothing to fear and in fact be grateful their investments would actually have a chance under a proper economy.

The Chinese learned the hard way socialist economies fail. THEY KNOW Maduro is going to fall. Even the Cubans know at this point, there is no turning back.

Maduro is done for it within a couple months, the interim President is going to be naming new people to the CitGO board which is going to remove a good amount of ability from the Maduro administration.

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February 07, 2019, 02:32:38 PM
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That was one hell of a SotU. I couldn’t believe the way Trump controlled the room. Then today the Fed stated their next rate change might be a decrease. So much winning...

Everyone like SOTU addresses. The speech is the end result of a lot of work by a team of speechwriters working along with the entire administration, and they're given the rare opportunity to have a captive general audience for an hour or more. So they always have a high approval rating, though the effect doesn't last long.

It was impressive that he got so much Democrat applause, and I appreciated the digs at socialism and endless wars. But overall I found it pretty typical for a SOTU. Unfortunately, everyone (including the president) will probably forget about it in a couple of weeks.

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February 07, 2019, 03:37:25 PM
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The US is a two-time world war champion.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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I am not sure if you are serious or not. The Axis quite literally controlled all of Europe except for England in WW2 prior to D-Day, which wouldn’t have been possible without American troops and resources. The allies again in WW1 didn’t have victory in sight until the surge of American troops.

Perhaps your revisionist view is the result of hatred of America and desire of liberalism.

All of these socialists, while applauding, are saying to themselves "But this time, doing it MY WAY, things will be different."

I was going to give a few examples of how extremely successful some democratic socialist countries are.  Some examples of how all democracies have varying degree's of social programs beloved by their citizens (please don't go to a sporting event where tax payers paid for the fucking stadium you socialist piece of shit!).  But then I remembered Murica and you're right if you guys tried to implement anything even remotely logical you would fuck it up and likely would end up like Venezuela, just look how you turned democracy into kleptocracy all while having citizens armed to the teeth for a revolution but sat on your balls while the elite shoved a cactus up your asshole (WMD, 2008 banking crisis LMFAO)!
The socialist countries you speak of have national defense subsidized by the rest of the world, namely the US. The same can be said of healthcare as these countries pay much less for medicines and medical treatment than the rest of the world, meaning recouping investment in creating the drugs must come from elsewhere.

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I am not sure if you are serious or not. The Axis quite literally controlled all of Europe except for England in WW2 prior to D-Day, which wouldn’t have been possible without American troops and resources. The allies again in WW1 didn’t have victory in sight until the surge of American troops.

Perhaps your revisionist view is the result of hatred of America and desire of liberalism.


There is no doubt that USA and American soldiers were and important part of WWII.
There is no doubt that 400 000 American soldiers died to free Europe.

There is even less doubt that US government and industries largely abused the sacrifice of their people to take everything they could in Europe.

And there is no freaking doubt calling yourself a "champion" when URSS sent 10 millions troop to the front and lost about 20 millions people in the fight against 3rd Reich is a great lack of respect.

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February 07, 2019, 04:56:44 PM
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What should I say about this? "HAHAHA"? I find Trump's statement nonsense. The US once sanctioned Venezuela and made it something that will make this thing as "socialism" expand because of stupidity.

I think Socialism will always be there and it won't be stopped by anyone even Trump himself. Socialists will always be there to take advantage of every opportunity for profitability.

Russia and China will be there to take their part in socialism and we need to get ready for that. The US is trying to survive the threats these socialists could affect them. The conflicts are flaming and I think there's something that will happen soon. Maybe Trump is getting bored with this kind of things and wanted something interesting like war.

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